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08:33:00 <alex_joni> LawrenceG: just me
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14:21:57 <alex_joni> morning ray
14:22:37 <rayh> Hi alex
14:23:11 <rayh> Did you get that sound problem with the steppers figured out?
14:25:47 <alex_joni> somehow
14:25:56 <alex_joni> it's better now, but still a bit loud at low speeds
14:26:09 <alex_joni> but then again, I'm not sure it isn't supposed to sound like that
14:26:29 <alex_joni> the other motor is lots quieter
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14:28:35 <rayh> I've had problems with some of the little handwheels rattling but you've swapped motors and the sound traveled with the drive.
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14:32:34 <rayh> That wasn't much fun.
14:36:12 <alex_joni> I've swapped the gecko and the sound still stayed with the gecko
14:36:32 <alex_joni> but once, running with an open gecko (no cover), the sound went away almost completely
14:36:49 <alex_joni> when I mounted the cover back on it came back .. but it's not a problem I think
14:36:52 <rayh> Really.  That is odd.
14:39:08 <alex_joni> indeed
14:39:16 <alex_joni> anyways ..
14:39:50 <rayh> I guess we leave the cover off that one.
14:40:29 <cradek> alex_joni: did you try pressing on the circuit board with the motor running?  Maybe there is a broken trace that gets flexed by the case
14:40:32 <rayh> But noise comes from the motor.
14:41:25 <alex_joni> rayh: noise comes from the motor, but might be bad driving..
14:41:30 <alex_joni> high speed is fine though
14:41:45 <alex_joni> only low speed (manual jogging) is noisy
14:42:43 <rayh> Okay.  Gecko uses the anodizing on the aluminum plate to insulate
14:43:33 <rayh> If you've got a scope you might look at the signals on that.
14:43:46 <alex_joni> I'll try to get one.. no scope around now
14:44:10 <rayh> I don't think a multimeter would show much but it might.
14:44:26 <rayh> between power minus or plus and the plate.
14:44:28 <alex_joni> I seriously doubt that
14:44:29 <alex_joni> :)
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15:56:59 <SWPadnos> is halconfig available from the various tcl "tools" menus?
16:56:02 <alex_joni> not yet.. but soon
16:56:06 <SWPadnos> ok
16:56:14 <alex_joni> it should ;)
16:56:20 <alex_joni> * alex_joni wants to look at tkemc today
16:56:38 <alex_joni> already started to sort tcl things out, (with ray's help of course)
16:57:06 <SWPadnos> don't you lsort in tcl?  ;)
17:01:38 <alex_joni> yeah.. sure
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19:37:15 <jepler> alex_joni: hi
19:37:19 <alex_joni> hello
19:37:31 <alex_joni> ok, I'm sorting some tcl stuff out
19:37:53 <alex_joni> but I don't have much tcl knowledge, so I'm struggling
19:38:15 <jepler> what kind of "sorting out" do you mean?
19:38:26 <alex_joni> well.. I started by cleaning up licensing
19:38:41 <alex_joni> and then I got to tkemc, and I said I should add halconfig to the menu
19:38:57 <alex_joni> but then I noticed halconfig only works when run from emc2's top dir
19:39:04 <alex_joni> so I thought I'd fix that
19:39:28 <alex_joni> but that's not that easy.. and though I can sort it out eventually, it might be a while
19:39:49 <alex_joni> for instance.. I'm trying to check for a file now (no idea how to test)
19:40:01 <SWPadnos> file exists $filename
19:40:35 <jepler> apt-get install tk8.4-doc tcl8.4-doc
19:40:44 <alex_joni> if {file exists $EMC2DIR/halcmd } ?
19:40:44 <jepler> then the tcl and tk manpages are under section "n"
19:40:52 <jepler> if {[file exists ...]}
19:41:15 <jepler> What is $EMC2DIR?  Is that an environment variable?
19:41:16 <alex_joni> apt-get complete
19:41:23 <alex_joni> yeah
19:41:29 <jepler> then I think it's $env(EMC2DIR)
19:41:35 <alex_joni> but I converted it to a local var.
19:41:36 <alex_joni> right
19:42:17 <jepler> strange, the debian packages have all the tcl and tk stuff under section 3
19:42:25 <jepler> man 3 file, not man n file like I do on all my fedora systems
19:42:59 <jepler> or 'man3tcl file'
19:43:20 <jepler> alex_joni: When is EMC2DIR set?  By scripts/emc?
19:43:40 <alex_joni> yup
19:43:53 <alex_joni> actually EMC2_BIN_DIR is set by scripts/emc
19:44:09 <alex_joni> then I export it by bash when halconfig is run (before wish gets run)
19:44:27 <alex_joni> then I do:
19:44:47 <alex_joni> if {[info exists env(EMC2_BIN_DIR)]} ...
19:46:19 <alex_joni> guess I need to figure out scripts/ and such
19:46:31 <alex_joni> which reminds me..
19:46:46 <jepler> you should figure out something that can be used by all the tcl scripts
19:46:49 <alex_joni> cradek: any idea if po stuff works on make install ?
19:47:03 <alex_joni> jepler: probably I would if I knew how that looks like
19:47:12 <cradek> alex_joni: no, haven't tried it
19:47:24 <alex_joni> cradek: we need to try it some time
19:47:34 <cradek> trying now (very slowly)
19:47:42 <cradek> I'm sure it'll work in axis
19:47:53 <cradek> nfc about tkemc
19:48:24 <cradek> nope it's english
19:48:30 <cradek> running 'LANG=de emc sim'
19:48:50 <jepler> alex_joni: I'm not quite sure what it would look like either
19:50:58 <jepler> alex_joni: If all the tcl programs were run from inside scripts/emc, it would be possible to set an environment variable so that 'package require emc' would make some extra commands and variables available, and then particular files (like .ini files, splash-screen gifs, or whatever) would be found based on that
19:51:03 <alex_joni> cradek: don't even bother.. I realized translations don't get installed
19:51:19 <cradek> I spoke too soon - de axis doesn't work either
19:51:42 <alex_joni> bugger it.. axis had a fair chance :)
19:51:50 <cradek> wonder if the emc script screws up LANG
19:52:06 <alex_joni> try env LANG=de emc sim
19:52:07 <jepler> cradek: are you on ubuntu or bdi?
19:52:23 <alex_joni> con't think you'll catch him on bdi
19:52:26 <alex_joni> don't
19:52:33 <alex_joni> wtf is wrong with me...
19:52:36 <jepler> cradek: on ubuntu I noticed that 'LANGUAGE' was set, and after I unset it, LANG was used.
19:52:36 <cradek> chris@buster2:~$ dpkg -L emc2-axis |grep /de
19:52:36 <cradek> /usr/share/axis/tcl/bwidget/lang/de.rc
19:52:36 <cradek> /usr/share/locale/de
19:52:36 <cradek> /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES
19:52:36 <cradek> /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/axis.mo
19:52:55 <cradek> jepler: aha let me try that
19:53:16 <alex_joni> jepler: how does that package work?
19:53:39 <alex_joni> 'package require emc' is that deb related?
19:54:19 <alex_joni> oh, I see there's some tcl package foo
19:54:22 <jepler> alex_joni: I'm a bit fuzzy on how Tcl "packages" work, but the basics are that a directory has a special file 'pkgIndex.tcl' and that directory is listed in tcl's $auto_path
19:54:57 <cradek> ok I agree de axis works fine
19:55:02 <jepler> alex_joni: right now there is no tcl "emc package"
19:55:23 <alex_joni> guess this is beyond my limited tcl knowledge :(
19:55:24 <jepler> alex_joni: that's something that would have to be written, and environment variables set for it
19:55:28 <cradek> except for "Geschwindigkeitsübersteuerung" which still looks a bit ridiculous
19:56:03 <alex_joni> jepler: how did you make tcl use the .mo ?
19:56:50 <jepler> alex_joni: I've never done internationalization for a pure tcl app
19:57:23 <alex_joni> jepler: otoh, even if you did and told me, I probably would be just as clueless :))
19:57:32 <jepler> alex_joni: I think you're forced to use their terrible msgcat::foo, you can't use .mo files
19:58:18 <alex_joni> jepler: ok, then I guess I'll have to see where the .msg get installed to, and use those
19:58:21 <jepler> alex_joni: based only on the manpage, I think you can extend the directories that are searched for .msg files by the msgcat::mcload command
19:58:35 <alex_joni> yup, I think so too
19:59:59 <alex_joni> one more question: instaed of [open "|bin/halcmd -skf"] can I do [open"|$EMC2BIN/halcmd ... ?
20:00:38 <jepler> That should work, as long as $EMC2BIN doesn't contain the kind of characters that are problems in shell commands
20:03:20 <alex_joni> hrmm.. does halconfig.tcl work for you if hal isn't loaded?
20:03:31 <jepler> dunno, I don't have an emc2 machine to test at the moment
20:03:33 <alex_joni> it should pop up some window, but I only get some errors
20:03:48 <alex_joni> SWPadnos: can you try?
20:04:16 <alex_joni> Error in startup script: invalid command name "noHal"
20:04:16 <alex_joni>     while executing
20:04:16 <alex_joni> "noHal"
20:04:16 <alex_joni>     invoked from within
20:04:16 <alex_joni> "if {$temp == -1} {
20:04:19 <alex_joni>         noHal
20:04:43 <alex_joni> although further down there is a proc noHal
20:05:32 <alex_joni> does order of proc definition matter in tcl ?
20:06:16 <alex_joni> seems so :)
20:06:31 <jepler> alex_joni: Yes.  The proc must be defined before it is called.
20:06:48 <alex_joni> ok, ray must have moved it without wanting that
20:07:07 <jepler> though this is OK:  proc a {} { b }; proc b {} {}; a
20:07:27 <alex_joni> hrmm.. this was the case
20:07:28 <jepler> because it's not until a is actually called that b is used, so it's OK that b isn't defined when a is defined
20:07:43 <alex_joni> but moving proc b to the beginning cured it
20:08:14 <alex_joni> err.. no, the call a was before proc b
20:11:58 <jepler> why not have scripts/emc put $EMC2BIN on $PATH, so that you can just [open "|halcmd ..."]?
20:12:34 <alex_joni> hrmm.. that's nice too
20:12:53 <alex_joni> but does it work for this case?
20:13:04 <alex_joni> emc runs tkemc.tcl (which is bash, then emcsh)
20:13:10 <jepler> [open "|..."] will use $PATH
20:13:30 <alex_joni> $PATH is global?
20:13:47 <alex_joni> PATH=$PATH,$EMC2_BIN_DIR ?
20:14:00 <jepler> the environment variable PATH is used by the C functions system() and execvp(), one of which is what [open "|..."] uses
20:14:06 <jepler> PATH=$EMC2_BIN_DIR:$PATH
20:14:49 <jepler> put it at the beginning, in case we're running in-place but there's a /usr/bin/halcmd from emc2.deb
20:17:39 <alex_joni> any idea how to check for halcmd in $PATH from tcl ?
20:17:47 <alex_joni> file exists ?
20:18:03 <jepler> doesn't halcmd always have to be present?
20:18:21 <alex_joni> yeah, but halconfig bails out if it's not there
20:18:28 <alex_joni> for example not compiled
20:18:50 <cradek> how can you run emc without halcmd compiled?
20:19:03 <alex_joni> you can run halconfig.tcl
20:19:21 <alex_joni> and it should test for halcmd and fail if it's not there
20:19:24 <SWPadnos> oops - back.
20:19:27 <alex_joni> but fail nicely
20:19:33 <SWPadnos> I'll boot up my machine if you still want me to test stuff
20:22:04 <alex_joni> SWPadnos: not that urgent
20:22:08 <SWPadnos> ok
20:22:20 <SWPadnos> it's booting.  I was going to take a look at halconfig anyway
20:23:34 <alex_joni> what's the print command in tcl again?
20:23:39 <SWPadnos> puts
20:23:40 <cradek> puts stderr
20:23:44 <alex_joni> darn
20:23:57 <alex_joni> why can't they call it print or write or echo or something :D
20:24:19 <SWPadnos> those are all taken
20:24:32 <jepler> proc {print or write or echo or something} {args} { eval concat puts stderr $args }
20:24:45 <jepler> then you can write: {print or write or echo or something} this is a nifty diagnostic message
20:25:02 <jepler> well, no, not quite...
20:25:06 <jepler> forget I said anything
20:25:08 <alex_joni> lol, I'd love a program that has 'something "fishy"' in it ;)
20:25:14 <SWPadnos> print_or_write_or_echo_or_something
20:26:07 <SWPadnos> sometime in the next 5 years, someone will see this log, and make a function called POWOEOS, and nobody will know why
20:26:22 <alex_joni> he will
20:26:27 <jepler> ah, this is what I meant to write:  proc {something fishy} args { puts stderr $args }
20:31:22 <jepler> puts expects the thing to put on a single line, so using eval concat was the entirely wrong tree
20:31:31 <jepler> and it was missing some square brackets anyway
20:31:48 <jepler> I guess I should avoid showing how clever I am at tcl if I'm to continue evading responsibility for the tcl code in emc2
20:31:49 <alex_joni> like I would know :)
20:32:07 <alex_joni> I guess so too :P
20:34:03 <cradek> jepler: the cat's out of the bag you know
20:34:36 <alex_joni> cradek: think we'll give him a few more weeks to accomodate the developer status
20:34:44 <alex_joni> but that's it then..
20:35:00 <jepler> step 1: remove the tcl components that have been replaced by superior alternatives (that means mini and tkemc)
20:35:17 <cradek> alex_joni: I don't get what you mean
20:35:32 <jepler> step 2: rewrite remaining pure tcl components into python
20:35:44 <alex_joni> cradek: he only started to commit code to emc2 recently
20:35:51 <cradek> jepler: saying that is surely worse than drawing mohammed cartoons
20:37:01 <alex_joni> jepler: I don't get it.. are mini & tkemc the superior alternatives? or did they get replaced by superior alternatives?
20:37:15 <alex_joni> if the later.. by which? as I can't see any in CVS
20:37:17 <cradek> alex_joni: he's trolling about AXIS
20:37:31 <alex_joni> no he's not.. at least not till it's part of emc2
20:37:44 <alex_joni> :P
20:38:10 <jepler> I can troll anytime I like
20:38:22 <cradek> I can attest to that
20:38:38 <alex_joni> you do resemble a troll sometimes :)
20:38:45 <alex_joni> but we all do ;)
20:39:15 <SWPadnos> speak for yourself
20:39:41 <SWPadnos> I may not be as cute as my half-sister, but I'm not a troll ;)
20:39:51 <alex_joni> trolls are cute :)
20:39:57 <alex_joni> at least the cute kind of trolls
20:40:05 <alex_joni> the ones with pink hair
20:40:08 <SWPadnos> heh - to other trolls, I guess
20:40:12 <SWPadnos> Tananda
20:40:39 <jepler> I just did a GIS on "cute troll" and I have to agree there's no such thing
20:40:52 <alex_joni> lol
20:40:58 <alex_joni> GIS=google image search?
20:41:08 <jepler> yes
20:41:26 <SWPadnos> read the "M.Y.T.H." series, by Robert Lynn Asprin, I think
20:41:26 <alex_joni> internet certainly defines new words
20:42:06 <alex_joni> http://i1.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/18/22/df_2.JPG
20:42:42 <SWPadnos> that's hideous
20:42:48 <cradek> alex_joni: I've never found those cute...
20:43:00 <alex_joni> well.. cuter than other trolls
20:43:07 <cradek> looks like a baby but even uglier
20:44:21 <alex_joni> lol, like the 'ugli_er_' part :)
20:44:49 <SWPadnos> at least it's quiet_er_
20:45:06 <alex_joni> jepler: how do I test for files in path ?
20:45:22 <alex_joni> [file executable foo] doesn't work :(
20:45:33 <cradek> % set a [open "|zzz"]
20:45:33 <cradek> couldn't execute "zzz": no such file or directory
20:45:33 <cradek> % info exists a
20:45:33 <cradek> 0
20:46:09 <alex_joni> I just know that was supposed to be a hint..
20:46:10 <cradek> I think you shouldn't test, you should just handle the error
20:47:19 <jepler> I kinda agree
20:47:48 <alex_joni> so I should try an exec halcmd ?
20:48:38 <cradek> yes, and handle an error if you get it
20:48:58 <cradek> searching the path is hard, and it's stupid to do it - it's the job of exec*
20:49:13 <cradek> no need to over-write
20:49:24 <alex_joni> if {![exec halcmd]} .. ?
20:49:35 <cradek> I dunno, ask jepler :-)
20:50:10 <jepler> since a missing halcmd signifies a hopelessly broken emc installation, I say just crash and burn
20:50:21 <jepler> won't scripts/emc have long since failed if it's not present?
20:50:42 <alex_joni> no, you're missing the point.. halconfig can run by itself
20:50:57 <alex_joni> not necessarely run from tkemc, or the script
20:51:04 <alex_joni> that part is what I am doing now
20:51:20 <alex_joni> till now you started emc, switched to a new console, and ran halconfig
20:51:31 <jepler> proc which file {
20:51:32 <jepler>     foreach dir [split $::env(PATH) :] {
20:51:32 <jepler>         set pathname [file join $dir $file]
20:51:32 <jepler>         if {[file executable $pathname]} { return $pathname }
20:51:32 <jepler>     }
20:51:34 <jepler>     return ""
20:51:36 <jepler> }
20:51:53 <alex_joni> how about: set haltest [exec halcmd]
20:52:07 <alex_joni> if {$haltest == ""} { exit  }
20:52:10 <jepler> [which zzz] returns the path to the program 'zzz', or the empty string if there is none
20:52:30 <jepler> % which bash
20:52:30 <jepler> /bin/bash
20:52:30 <jepler> % which flooz
20:52:30 <jepler> %
20:52:39 <alex_joni> I don't trust code I don't understand :)
20:53:11 <cradek> even I understand that which
20:53:21 <alex_joni> even you know more tcl than me
20:53:26 <cradek> not that I could have written it myself in a half hour
20:53:36 <alex_joni> I have no idea what split & join do :)
20:53:54 <SWPadnos> I think they split and join things
20:53:55 <cradek> they do the obvious things
20:53:58 <alex_joni> anyways..
20:54:02 <jepler> [file join $dir $file] is much the same as "$dir/$file", as long as $file doesn't start with a slash
20:54:05 <SWPadnos> strings, most likely (at least in tcl)
20:54:31 <alex_joni> don't bother teaching me.. I'm not at all fond of tcl
20:54:41 <jepler> alex_joni: I'm not very fond of tcl either
20:54:46 <SWPadnos> man tcl > /dev/null
20:54:50 <alex_joni> jepler: walk away..
20:55:05 <alex_joni> from tcl I mean
20:55:31 <jepler> alex_joni: first you ask me for help, then you ask me to walk away?  Make up your mind.
20:55:45 <alex_joni> help me as you're walking away :)
20:55:52 <alex_joni> kidding..
20:56:05 <alex_joni> it's not friendly at all (tcl I mean)
20:56:09 <cradek> * cradek throws a fish at alex_joni
20:56:10 <SWPadnos> These scripts were made for walkin'
20:56:20 <alex_joni> * alex_joni likes fish
20:56:38 <alex_joni> cradek: that fish is already transformed into some yummy sushi
20:56:45 <SWPadnos> some pickled herring in cream sauce would be nice
20:56:49 <alex_joni> with wasabi
20:57:01 <cradek> ok that wasn't my intent
20:57:04 <SWPadnos> mmmmm - sushi
20:57:19 <SWPadnos> maybe the next Fest should be in Japan ;)
20:57:25 <alex_joni> that reminds me.. I have some ingredients left, should make some sushi these days
20:57:48 <SWPadnos> err - maybe some cooked fish would be better, with "left" ingredients of this type ;)
20:59:28 <alex_joni> well.. I usually use smoked salmon
20:59:34 <SWPadnos> yummy
20:59:51 <alex_joni> not that much of a fan of the raw fish..
20:59:57 <alex_joni> although raw meat is good
21:00:10 <SWPadnos> I like Salmon, Tuna, and Mackerel quite a bit
21:00:10 <alex_joni> jepler: look away :)
21:00:15 <SWPadnos> also Carpaccio
21:00:29 <SWPadnos> (on the meat side)
21:01:02 <alex_joni> I had shark carpaccio once
21:01:05 <alex_joni> very nice
21:01:09 <SWPadnos> odd
21:01:17 <cradek> ewwww
21:01:19 <SWPadnos> shark is a bit rubbery, isn't it?
21:01:20 <cradek> did I start this?
21:01:25 <cradek> this is worse than tcl
21:01:28 <SWPadnos> not as bad as octopus though
21:01:30 <alex_joni> not rubbery.. it's good
21:01:37 <alex_joni> octopus is damn yummy
21:01:43 <SWPadnos> Guidos in LA has very good carpaccio
21:01:45 <alex_joni> but properly cooked
21:01:51 <SWPadnos> good food in general, actually
21:02:04 <SWPadnos> octopus is good, but definitely takes some chewing
21:02:05 <alex_joni> some octopus in wine sauce..
21:02:10 <SWPadnos> as sushi
21:02:17 <alex_joni> lol.. guess so
21:02:33 <alex_joni> btw, I made some sausages last week.. they turned out yummy
21:02:47 <SWPadnos> reminds me of one of my favorite sayings
21:02:57 <alex_joni> just got them back from smoking today
21:03:12 <SWPadnos> "laws are like sausage, you lose all respect for them once you see how they're made"
21:03:18 <SWPadnos> (or something like that)
21:03:33 <alex_joni> well.. I actually was surprised how easy they are made
21:03:53 <SWPadnos> yep - depends on how fancy you want to get with the spices
21:04:04 <SWPadnos> and whether or not you have a machine to help stuff them
21:04:05 <alex_joni> minced meat & fat, spices, mix for a while, put that in pork intestines.. done
21:04:15 <SWPadnos> yep
21:04:27 <alex_joni> SWPadnos: over here almost every 3rd person has a machine for stuffing those
21:04:37 <alex_joni> make that 3rd family
21:04:41 <alex_joni> not person
21:04:43 <SWPadnos> heh - I can't even get my wife to buy me a stand mixer :)
21:04:56 <SWPadnos> (I'd buy it myself, but they're expensive ;) )
21:05:13 <alex_joni> well.. before the revolution (during the old regime) you couldn't find stuff like that, so people made their own..
21:05:18 <SWPadnos> we love going to ermany.  I get all the sausages, and she gets all the brerads
21:05:24 <SWPadnos> Germany
21:05:33 <SWPadnos> (which is closer to you than we are)
21:05:33 <alex_joni> brerads?
21:05:41 <alex_joni> did you try met?
21:05:48 <SWPadnos> yeah - erman bereeserreeads :)
21:06:09 <SWPadnos> Bread and Sausage  (there - damned fingers)
21:06:09 <alex_joni> no idea what that is..
21:06:16 <alex_joni> ahh
21:06:30 <alex_joni> wurstbrot/
21:06:32 <alex_joni> ?
21:06:33 <SWPadnos> heh
21:06:58 <SWPadnos> I like meats more than she does, but she likes all the dense breads more than I do
21:07:15 <alex_joni> heh.. soudns like a good fit then
21:07:16 <SWPadnos> so we still like going to Germany, because they have both
21:07:20 <SWPadnos> yep
21:09:04 <alex_joni> you need to try Mett once
21:09:14 <alex_joni> that's in the cologne region
21:09:15 <SWPadnos> what is that?
21:09:26 <alex_joni> it's some minced meat you eat on bread
21:09:34 <alex_joni> but with some special spices
21:09:37 <alex_joni> very good
21:09:45 <SWPadnos> hmm - I'm probably going there this September - I'll have to remember
21:09:54 <alex_joni> with gurkeys .. yumm
21:10:05 <alex_joni> cologne?
21:10:38 <SWPadnos> yes, cologne
21:10:49 <alex_joni> coo
21:10:51 <SWPadnos> the Photokina trade show is in late September or early October
21:11:19 <alex_joni> I like cologne.. were you there before?
21:11:31 <SWPadnos> 3 or 4 times, for a few days each time
21:11:47 <alex_joni> guess you climbed the dome then
21:11:54 <SWPadnos> nope - not there
21:12:00 <SWPadnos> (did it at the Duomo though)
21:12:10 <SWPadnos> I'm always at a trade show in Koln
21:12:15 <SWPadnos> not much time to play around
21:13:15 <SWPadnos> the first time I was there, I stayed at the Excelsior Dom hotel, I could see the twin steeples in the mist above the hotel roof - it was pretty cool
21:13:44 <SWPadnos> except that there were metal scaffolds, because it's been under renovation for the last (long time)
21:17:14 <alex_joni> SWPadnos: the dome is always under construction
21:17:23 <SWPadnos> heh
21:17:29 <SWPadnos> the Domokloster?
21:17:33 <alex_joni> local word says that the day they stop building it, it's the end of the world
21:17:47 <SWPadnos> I see - well then, they can keep on going
21:17:52 <SWPadnos> but they need clear scaffolds :)
21:17:59 <alex_joni> lol
21:18:21 <alex_joni> I looked at the scaffolds last time I went up there. do you know they are only suspended on the towers?
21:18:36 <alex_joni> I mean, they didn't use bolts to bolt the scaffolds to the towers
21:18:47 <alex_joni> they used ropes to suspend the scaffolds up there
21:18:58 <SWPadnos> right - they don't want to damage the building
21:19:19 <alex_joni> well.. I'd feel funny about walking on those
21:19:22 <SWPadnos> heh
21:19:55 <SWPadnos> I went inside for the first time when I was there ~1.5 years ago
21:20:15 <alex_joni> it's pretty big :)
21:20:21 <SWPadnos> it is
21:20:26 <SWPadnos> I loke the organ as well
21:20:28 <alex_joni> but you really need to make it up there
21:20:29 <SWPadnos> like
21:20:34 <alex_joni> check out the bells...
21:20:38 <SWPadnos> I'll try to do that this time
21:20:57 <SWPadnos> I'll see if my sister wants to pop over from Gottingen
21:21:32 <SWPadnos> too bad there aren't any fast trains ibetween Gottingen and Koln
21:21:48 <alex_joni> can't say I know german trains too well :)
21:22:14 <SWPadnos> me either, except between Dusseldorf / Koln, Frankfurt, Munich, and Gottingen ;)
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