00:02:14 tom1: that's always been there, actually 00:05:15 thx anyways :) 00:10:36 pretty impressive when i can click on "g1x[100*cos[#100]]y[100*sin[#100]]c#100" and the path constructed by that is highlighted. kudos to you guys! 00:16:55 good night 00:17:01 nite 00:19:46 5-axis question: if I am at x0y0z0b0c0, and I issue G1x1b36000, will emc turn b around 100 times, or will it decide it is smarter than me and only do a single turn? 00:20:38 asking it now ;) 00:20:47 should go 100 times 00:21:12 tom1: I forgot about the 5 axis sim config, I guess I could have asked 00:21:51 linear move in MDI would exceed limits ( so it depends on ini) 00:22:22 thats the err it produces with stock 00:22:31 guess I have to wait for cradek - this is a program for his machine 00:22:41 (demo for the workshop, if I can figure it out) 00:27:27 i opened up limits to +/- 3.6million degrees, and it's past 540 degrees now (F only 200 with Fovr at 200%) 00:27:54 SWPad Knows :) 00:28:11 tom1: thanks 00:29:22 I'm just bored, sitting here soldering short ribbon cables into longer ribbon cables. 00:29:37 what fun! 00:30:00 I have some finicky soldering that needs done; mind doing it for me? 00:30:03 successful replacement of a neon timing belt/water pump today. (for the brother-in-law). hardest part was the crank pully. it was a press fit. 00:30:17 neon the car? 00:30:22 yes 00:30:33 id rather solder 00:30:35 finally finished moving the tree to the front yard, what a mess 00:31:08 tell it to stay there this time ( damn trees ) 00:31:15 jepler: what kind of soldering? 00:31:20 they dont take up any room when there standing up 00:32:17 sorry if my there was missused, could have used, they are, the're, they stand up, and so on 00:32:32 but Im sure you guys will not be rude and call me out on that 00:32:50 for finicky stuff.. I have to use both hands and put the solder in my mouth. (explains a lot doesn't it) 00:32:50 jmkasunich: my mp3 player's usb connector also has audio out pins .. I want to solder a 1/8" headphone plug to it on a short wire so that in my car it only has wires coming out the bottom, not the top too (the location of the built-in headphone jack) 00:33:19 jmkasunich: so it's soldering wire to a fine-pitch connector 00:33:23 non-standard usb connector? 00:34:07 yeah -- there are about 40 pins, closely spaced. 00:34:22 40? I thought usb was 4 00:34:29 the usb cable has usb "A" on one end, this proprietary connector on the other 00:34:40 ah 00:34:44 so I solder my 3 wires to the back side of the proprietary cable, and voila I have the new charging/audio cable I want 00:34:53 (yes, usb is differential pair + gnd + vcc) 00:34:58 not usb, but did similar on original rio 300, the neat thing was, it never lost battery power when plugged into the car radio's amp input. ran it all day. 00:35:05 usually that also means the junction of the cable and the connector is a lump of rubber 00:35:28 this one has a removable cover? 00:35:33 actually it's not -- the shell pops off with minimal damage, it's not solid / potted 00:35:40 nice 00:36:02 so this particular cable has 4 of the 40 pins connected, and the others are used for other accessories? 00:36:08 yes 00:36:23 some web page says which 3 pins are left, right, and common for the audio 00:36:42 the main challenge will probably finding a suitably thin wire, and providing strain relief for it 00:37:15 yeah. for the USB there's nice strain relief built in 00:37:28 I have a microscope and a very fine point iron - teleport the cable to me and I'll solder it for you 00:37:35 I have a tiny in-ear headphones that I was going to use to get the plug; I figure the wire is fine gauge too 00:37:55 but getting the cable out of the shell and strain relief I haven't figured yet 00:38:04 fire? 00:38:31 I thought fire fixes everything? 00:38:37 drill and hot glue? 00:38:45 yeah that's my best idea so far 00:38:46 earphone often coax, even tiny earbuds 00:38:50 hot glue = redneck potting compound 00:39:22 make it hairball like bob pease of edn 00:39:26 hm, hadn't considered that 00:39:49 hot glue is mother natures way of keeping the water out 00:46:51 g'nite 00:46:55 tom1 has left #emc 00:49:04 tom1 has joined #emc 00:49:22 jmkasunich: i was shutting down the 5axis sim... 00:49:33 dont do that 36000 move 00:50:01 what happened? 00:50:02 the sim machine is actually crashing the nutating head and doesnt complain due to my limit change 00:50:18 ah, right 00:50:32 its happlily rolling into the Z 00:50:37 gnite 00:50:39 my fault - its actually c that I intend to do the long move on - c doesn't run into things 00:50:44 gnite 00:50:49 k 00:50:52 tom1 has left #emc 01:08:20 crotchetyGuy has left #emc 01:34:11 any of you guys playing with the ngc.vim stuff? 01:44:25 not me, sorry 01:44:46 I don't even know how to get your file to load, let alone look at anything with vim :) 01:45:26 its not really dificult 01:45:43 something about what Gary has in his email about it doesnt seem right though 01:46:24 pusher:/usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax# <---where the ngc.vim file belongs 01:47:11 pusher:/usr/share/vim/vim71# vi filetype.vim <---were following line belongs 01:48:13 au BufNewFile,BufRead *.xmi setf xml 01:48:26 cept change the *.xmi to .cnc setf cnc 01:48:27 which of the many vim packages do you have installed? 01:48:37 newest in sid 01:48:49 7.1 01:49:08 I have 7.1 installed, but there are about 10 other packages that aren't installed, also called vim 01:49:09 shoot, not cnc, but ngc 01:49:18 I looked because I have no syntax subdirectory 01:49:37 hmm, then you probably only have vi, try, apt-get install vim 01:49:54 no, vim exists, I ran it 01:50:07 ubuntu? 01:50:14 it came up with the standard vi screen, except it had the friendly help text telling me how to exit 01:50:21 the only vi command I know :) 01:50:29 hmm 01:50:45 one sec - I'm installing the "vim" package now. vim-common had been installed 01:50:54 ah good 01:51:11 oh look at all the extra stuff now :) 01:51:50 okay, enter the /usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax directory 01:52:01 vi ngc.vim 01:53:49 is there no command line completion for filenames? 01:53:56 tab should do it 01:53:58 (like :open xxx) 01:54:03 nope, I get ^I^I^I 01:54:09 oh not inside of vim i dont think 01:54:15 it completes the commands, but not the file names 01:56:10 hmm 01:56:37 I dont remember all of the options, and yes my original file was strongly messed up, it was never perfect, I think Gary is on the right track now 02:05:50 omg 12 hours till school starts 02:10:55 ok, it seems to work when I use more or less Phil's instructions on how to set it up 02:11:29 gary's version is a lot better then mine, but I think he is going to include some of mine into his 02:11:29 ie, put the syntax file in the /usr/share.. location, and edit the filetype.vim file there 02:11:42 SWPadnos: were you able to open a .ngc file and have it highlight stuff? 02:11:43 no, lyour hilighting, his instructions on getting it to work :) 02:11:46 yes 02:12:05 I dont think mine ever looked right. :( 02:12:13 maybe it does, who knows 02:12:23 what do you think? 02:12:25 the colors aren't what I would have chosen, but I'm sure I can change them if I want to badly enough :) 02:12:42 looks good to me 02:12:43 I never figured out how to set the colors believe it or not 02:13:13 I was thinking about this though - a part of me thinks the axis words and their numbers should be colored differently for each axis 02:13:32 like X0.05 Y1.23 - X0.05 would be one color, and Y1.23 a different color 02:14:11 the reason being that there's no requirement for the numbers to be in the same order on a line (though they usually will be), so this makes sure you can identify what number goes with which axis quickly 02:14:17 thats what I was originally trying for, there was something that prevented that from working out for me, I think it was my inability to understand how to make the stuff work correctly 02:14:40 heh 02:15:06 I helped out a bit with the regexps for hte gedit version, but I don't know that I really know what the heck is going on either 02:15:09 the 02:15:10 would have to have an X match for example, then a HiLink X Title(<-describes the color, Title is a color) 02:15:37 HiLink ngcComment Comment Comment is the color blue for example 02:16:48 oh sure - gedit has the asme kind of thing - you have a bunch of styles/colors (they can include bold/italic/strikethrough I believe), then you make regexps and tell what style they should be 02:17:16 yeah, exactly, and back then I was just eager to help, im still eager to help, but of little use really 02:17:49 still of little use, but I do try 02:17:59 heh 02:18:16 Ill be there really soon 02:19:09 I still have to battle my inner demons but im working on that, motorcycle project is moving along, emc machine project is moving along, things are looking up for me 02:19:51 heck, I made chips in the garage today, thats a massive move forward. most will think im a idiot with my micro machine but im going for that cool tool factor 02:20:00 cool 02:20:14 did you see the link I posted earler to what ive got so far? 02:20:20 I don't think so 02:20:31 you want a little laugh? 02:20:41 I promise you won't hear it ;) 02:20:47 I want to actualy 02:21:37 http://imagebin.ca/view/EoCurwW6.html 02:22:04 hahahahaha, yeah thats funny 02:22:04 oh that - yes, I did see it 02:22:18 it's got a much smaller work volume than a Bridgeport 02:22:51 oh - I was thinking that one thing you said may not hold true 02:23:10 ? 02:23:19 you mentioned that a 3" motor can move a big mill, so a 1/2" motor should be able to move a tiny one (or something close) 02:23:57 the trouble is that stiction and friction may be dominant on a small machine 02:24:15 ill have to do some magic on the slides thats for sure 02:24:23 and the small motor may have a lot less available torque (percentage-wise) than a larger one 02:25:22 yeah, I didnt want to say it at the time, but i have put a lot of engineering thought into this, if it doesnt work out, it just doesnt work out, but I will have completed a project. and thats the most important part 02:26:04 I have a lot of uncompleted projects in life I need to complete. building a cnc machine is one of them, Im going to do it, It may not work, but I will have done it. thats the only fact I can shoot for 02:26:35 it's a good goal 02:26:52 I have the same problem - start lots of things and rarely finish 02:27:27 those little motors when I had them running, I jambed one onto one of the screws flats, and held the nut with my oposing hand, it had plenty of torque to move the nut up and down with resistance, more then enough to move what im thinking to be about 40g of mass 02:29:58 yeah, and at a buck fifty each, here http://www.futurlec.com/PM20S.shtml 02:30:47 hmm .03 Nm 02:31:31 oops 2.50 each 02:33:00 at 1400 pulses per second, its got 10 x 10^-4 Nm worth of torque, but at 200 pps its at 50 or so x 10^-4 Nm which I dont know how to convert 02:33:59 http://www.google.com/search?q=1+newton+meter+in+inch+pounds&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a 02:34:12 murphy's law 02:34:40 about 0.7 oz-in 02:34:48 nope 02:34:50 yeah, not much but enough to have fun with 02:34:56 7 oz I got 02:35:15 of what? gonna share with the rest of the class? 02:35:15 at .050 Nm 02:35:16 50*10^-4 = 0.0050 02:35:33 oops 02:35:42 yeah, almost an ounce then 02:35:45 heh 02:36:03 dont share with SWPadnos he will just bogart 02:36:12 but, you get a 2*pi*20 increase due tot he screw (less friction) 02:36:14 how is that converted into a small diameter screw with 20pitch threads? 02:36:28 JymmmEMC, yeah. I want my PZ-3 back! 02:36:44 6x20 120x.7= maybe 65 ounces then? 02:36:47 SWPadnos: show me a FINISHED project, and I'll get it back to you. 02:37:05 6.5 ounces or something, shoot if I know 02:37:08 SWPadnos: No, you cna't say you need it to finish a project either. 02:37:13 http://cncgear.com/MPG/ 02:37:19 :P 02:37:19 not much, but still I hope 02:37:45 SWPadnos: Nope, it's been photoshoped - don't count. 02:37:47 buah, anyone can take a photo of a video card and 02:38:21 http://cncgear.com/images/AIO%20Card.jpg 02:38:40 again, photoshopped. 02:38:55 nope, neither was 02:38:58 I don't have Photochop 02:39:22 need to see it in operation and produce a tangible product as a result. 02:39:36 well, I need the PZ3 for that ;) 02:39:38 JymmmEMC: he is right that isnt photo shopped, the inside of a motorola phone looks just like that 02:40:06 SWPadnos: scroll up 02:40:06 really? then I can sue hem for copyright infrigement or usurping my company name or something! muahahahahaha 02:40:14 SWPadnos: thats really nice by the way 02:40:25 thanks 02:40:47 could do wonders for analog servos with tachs, using a Mesa card 02:40:48 all opto isolated? 02:40:53 nope, not at all 02:41:06 SWPadnos: Come get your damn UPS and you can have the PZ3 02:41:18 6 input + 8 output 16 bit analog at ~175KHz scan rate 02:41:28 whats with all the holes on the right side? 02:41:34 proto space 02:41:46 or ECO space, just in case :) 02:41:49 SWPadnos: you and your damn 50p headers 02:42:09 mesa -> this card. it seemed the easiest way :) 02:42:24 note the pluggable terminal blocks on the machine side though 02:42:40 trickery I say, those were photoshopped in 02:42:53 heh 02:42:55 note the shadows dont look right 02:43:03 tomp2 has joined #emc 02:43:19 I'm such a big fan of pluggable blocks, that I actually desoldered the IDC blocks on my USC, and soldered in new blocks like these 02:43:47 actually, it's because I hate the IDC ones so much 02:43:48 those are the nice, plug and pull ones right? 02:44:08 each connector pulls out, but the individual wires are screw-terminals 02:44:12 yeah 02:44:24 so thats just an A/D converter card? 02:44:25 what no strain relief?! eeeesh 02:44:37 strain relief was photoshopped out 02:44:38 No fuses? 02:44:41 I don't know if I trust the lever spring type that you just push aside with a screwdriver 02:44:47 No center mounting hole? 02:45:12 I see one between C13 and C56 02:45:17 actually, the shield can is missing - if you knew anything you'd know that a center hole would be a noise magnet :) 02:45:23 oops C19 02:45:42 sigh 02:45:47 SWPadnos: If I knew anything I'd know that one flex of that board in the center and it be no good. 02:46:01 I dont think he is goign to let us squeeze him into a barrel here Jymm 02:46:02 do you know the board thickness? 02:46:18 .080 probably 02:46:25 Yep... It's |<-- this thick --->| 02:46:33 or .040, looks like paper, you draw that with GIMP? 02:46:33 thickkkkker 02:46:48 yep, it's spray-painted 02:46:58 not bad for a non-artist, huh? 02:47:11 Then all those perforated holes around the board 02:47:27 looks like a square race track or sidewalk 02:47:32 I have some photos of the finished unit, but I think I can't post them 02:47:45 AH HA! I knew it wasn't finished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 02:47:50 lol 02:47:54 my part is finished 02:48:03 prove it buddy! 02:48:13 make it so #1 02:48:13 I could, but I'd have to kill you 02:48:36 what font did you use to paint in the 3 on the lower right side? 02:48:44 SWPadnos: Deal! I get to test out my new mag on ya 02:49:08 so what are you guys gonig to have to say about my sugar cube machine if I can cut aluminum with it? 02:49:13 I'm sure the people for whom the machine was made have bigger guns than you ;) 02:49:20 (and I really did buy a new mag yesterday too) 02:49:26 I'll say this: :P 02:49:55 and I guess I better remove the box of ammo from the car too. 02:50:05 yeah, it's getting toward summer 02:50:16 wouldn't want an explosion 02:50:33 New damn fscking Calif law on the bill... must have a card to buy ammo. 02:50:55 what will the criminals do then? 02:51:10 Gonna have to hit the gun show very soon. Maybe 2-4K rounds this time. 02:51:33 fenn has quit 02:53:25 SWPadnos: Hey, do you have any gun/ammo restriction in your state? 02:53:46 sure - no tanks or missiles or anything like that 02:54:28 I don't know the laws, though I do know that at one point, Vermont and Texas were the only two states where it was legal to carry a concealed weapon (without a special license I think) 02:54:38 AZ too 02:55:19 http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/f/gunlaw_vt.htm 02:55:28 well, AZ is different, you have to have a special liscense to conceal and carry, but by law, you can openly carry without a permit 02:56:04 at least I think that is how it used to be, permit to hide, but you can strap a shotgun on your back and visit the supermarket 02:57:13 here in arkansas, to conceal and carry you need a permit, but I think they passed a homesteaders act last year, which is a lot like florida allowing you to defend yourself before they enter your home 02:57:48 http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_az.htm 03:00:26 it appears that you must surrender your firearm if the store owner asks you to, or you need to leave the premesis 03:00:26 oh yeah, we have the journey law in this state :) 03:00:31 yeah 03:00:40 journey law? 03:00:49 http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_ar.htm 03:01:07 if your on a trip more then I think 25 or 50 miles away from your home, you can carry a loaded weapon 03:02:34 SWPadnos: That's usually in bars and they have lockers where you keep the key. 03:02:40 for the duration of your stay. 03:02:42 heh 03:02:55 but you can walk into the bank and have your gun on your side. 03:02:57 it does say that goes for any public establishment 03:03:05 unless they ask you to remove it 03:03:09 (in AZ) 03:03:12 Yeah, but many don't have the lockers available 03:03:31 it doesn't say anything about that - it just says you have to give it up to the owner of the establishment 03:03:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)#Arkansas 03:03:41 (presumably they have to give it back too) 03:03:41 its 21 miles 03:04:18 SWPadnos: I've been in AZ, Denny's has a sign on the door. But it's typically in regards to Bars or any place that has alcohol 03:04:19 "Vermont is notable in that it has no gun control laws aside from prohibiting counties and other localities from making their own gun control laws (preemption). The only firearm laws that apply in Vermont are federal ones" 03:04:31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)#Arizona 03:04:37 sure, I'm sure that many places don't bother, but the law doesn't really care :) 03:04:45 the wikipedia info in a bit better, so who lives in Az? 03:04:51 nobody 03:05:00 I think you mentioned them as having a concealed carry law ;) 03:05:08 oh no, it was JymmmEMC 03:06:46 wow, californmexico has some crazy gun laws 03:07:54 that was mean , im sorry 03:08:05 meant to say mexifornia 03:08:09 baja, baby! :) 03:08:23 I was in san diego last year 03:08:38 so you set the fires! 03:09:28 I will admit that I rubbed my junk on a dry sage brush for that fresh western small 03:09:36 smell 03:10:02 oh. isn't that lovely 03:10:14 hahaha, I was expecting at the very least a lolo 03:10:56 has it just been recently that those types of fires have taken place, or has it been like that forever? 03:11:13 as in we just now live where stuff used to always burn anyway? 03:11:24 dunno 03:12:00 kansas KRS 237.104 prohibits the state from seizing firearms from private citizens in the event of a disaster or emergency 03:12:26 I wonder how New Orleans is going to fair over that debbaucle(spelling) 03:12:54 N.O. isn't in Kansas any more, toto 03:13:03 crotchetyGuy has joined #emc 03:13:34 well, didnt N.O. take up alot of them and is ini hot water now? 03:13:53 I have no idea 03:14:01 guess it doesnt matter 03:14:31 I do know that a lot of bullshit was aired around the whole situation, and it still isn't fixed 03:14:34 JymmmEMC: I take it your in California? 03:14:58 that sink hole is going to be a mess for many years to come I think 03:15:55 the indians told the french it floods, I guess the price was just too good when we bought it 03:16:15 $3M for about 1/3 of the current US 03:16:43 SWPadnos: not a bad deal 03:16:44 you can almost buy an apartment in New York for that now 03:17:14 didnt we buy mahatan island for some retardedly small amount as well? 03:17:29 a string of beads, it's said 03:17:43 but I suspect there's some error in translation there 03:17:57 $20 or so value IIRC 03:17:59 they say thats another prime spot for a huricane to hit as well 03:18:07 I wouldn't bet on it 03:18:23 ocean level rise, sure, but hurricane, I'd be surprised 03:18:28 I dont know 03:18:53 eric_U has joined #emc 03:19:00 they were running through some planning stages on how to handle rising ocean levels, maybe 15 years ago 03:19:13 looking at a few feet, 10 feet, 20 feet, etc. 03:19:32 (or maybe that was inches - I'm not positive) 03:19:47 lots of problems when you have such a large underground infrastructure 03:19:57 well, im smoking now, so that in the future, I can quit and drive more miles once they really clamp down on co2 emmisions, going back to pre 2005 levels is going to be easy for me 03:20:49 oh well, hot debate topics these are, guns and weather 03:21:22 here's some people that have been planning for rising ocean levels for over 100 years: 03:21:24 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=jersey+shore+pennsylvania&ie=UTF8&ll=41.216112,-77.25071&spn=0.183104,0.285301&z=12&iwloc=addr 03:21:27 how about that President? :) 03:22:02 heh - a little ways to go to get to the ocean, huh? :) 03:22:31 every freakin' comedian that comes to State College tells a joke about Jersey Shore 03:22:43 well, they have to start somewhere 03:22:45 wow, pasted that into firefox, and my computer started smelling bad 03:23:13 and they're probably not happy about being in State College anyway :) 03:23:22 no kidding 03:23:36 I mean, Bellefonte is so much nicer 03:23:40 :) 03:23:46 yeah 03:24:04 so you guys think im going to have problems with my mini mill? 03:24:16 I don't know, but it will be interesting to see 03:24:18 guaranteed 03:24:44 any bets? 03:24:54 I bet it will do something 03:25:07 I bet there will be smoke before there are chips? 03:25:16 eric_U: your on 03:25:25 are those unipolar steppers? 03:25:41 not sure, 6 wire, 03:25:47 woudn't wanna jinx you 03:25:50 2 phase I think 03:25:54 eric_U: oh come on 03:26:01 friendly bet here 03:26:04 6 wire can be either depending on drives 03:26:12 well, sort of 03:26:25 I gotcher sorta right heah 03:26:28 going ot be using unc5804b chips 03:26:42 so bipolar drive I think 03:26:42 it depends on whether the coils act against each other when they're in series 03:26:56 I think it depends on the coils 03:27:00 marriss recommends only using two windings 03:27:09 sure, you can do that 03:27:14 as do most people who have tried it that I am aware of 03:27:16 eric_U: Ill bet you a beer, that it works just fine, It may not cut metal, but Ill be able to cut frosting for sure 03:27:40 engrave candy 03:27:45 they only give us power 2 hours a day out here, I haven't been paying enough attention to bet 03:27:56 heh 03:27:58 what? 03:28:04 Afghanistan == central PA 03:28:04 huh? 03:28:10 omg 03:28:19 heh 03:28:20 SWPadnos: I really dont have a spindle solution yet 03:28:21 the kids get tired pedalling the generator bike 03:28:50 ive thought about a mina air tool, or maybe even a dentist drill type thing 03:28:52 a friend from Pittsburgh was in Germany not too long after the reunification, and a friend of his took him on a drive into what had been East Germany 03:29:20 when they got to the former soviet areas, the roads were much worse, and the German friend apologized for the terrible road conditions 03:29:25 you're making this mill from scratch? 03:29:31 eric_U: yeah 03:29:35 my friend thought they were bad, then he realized that they were about the same as in Pittsburgh 03:29:36 fun 03:29:45 go to dayton 03:29:52 mid winter 03:30:02 small DC motor - like minertia or something 03:30:14 oh, the road I live on is one of the worst 03:30:16 SWPadnos: how will Imake a tool holder? 03:30:20 worst paved ones that is 03:30:26 damfino 03:30:54 use a dremel, and make a horizontal mill instead 03:30:59 I have gotten close to losing control due to the road conditions on a 4 lane divided highway in Dayton 03:31:16