00:00:28 <dmessier> he want to drive my van soon... go figure...LOL
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01:09:29 <cradek> WASHINGTON - The White House blamed the 78-year-old man whom Vice President Dick Cheney shot during a weekend quail hunting trip in Texas for the incident
01:09:44 <cradek> hahaha
01:10:13 <cradek> whenever you need a good laugh, you can turn to the white house press secretary
01:26:30 <Jymmm> laugh, puke, same diff.
01:28:25 <Jymmm> anyone know what temp wood JUST begins to char?
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01:50:50 <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
01:50:50 <CIA-8> eliminate setuid requirement for halcmd: it now uses emc_module_helper
01:50:50 <CIA-8> for module load/unload, like the rest of emc2.
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02:12:07 <dmessier> he keeps comin' back.... like the cat came back..... cause he couldn't stay away... that souuld be a song...
02:13:03 <dmessier> a BODY ???
02:13:53 <dmessier> about 290 deg f +/-10 deg
02:14:16 <dmessier> opps ttoooo much info for tonite....
02:15:30 <Jymmm> ok, maybe I can use a lil toaster oven then
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02:35:05 <CIA-8> 03jepler 07simple_tp * 10emc2/src/emc/kinematics/ (.cvsignore Submakefile): make it build again
02:53:58 <LawrenceG> Jymmm: isnt that where the movie Farenheit 451 came from.... burning books
02:54:48 <skunkworks> wow you guys are just pounding stuff ou
02:54:49 <skunkworks> out
02:55:32 <skunkworks> Hopefully jacky is watching the olympics in person
02:57:05 <Jymmm> LawrenceG: No lcue, watched 2 minutes and returned the dvd
02:57:15 <skunkworks> I have not had a chance yet to go back to AXIS 1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1  to see if it works on my system
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03:07:42 <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/ (VERSION scripts/emc.in src/configure src/configure.in): 
03:07:42 <CIA-8> get a version number from cvs into the environment so the guis can put it
03:07:42 <CIA-8> in help/about. technical decisions done; policy decisions remaining.
03:24:12 <CIA-8> 03jepler * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: export EMC2VERSION so that the GUI can display it
03:35:38 <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: added version display to main emc script
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09:09:33 <giacus> morning
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13:28:53 <jepler> morning all
13:29:23 <jepler> oops, I think that axis 1.1.1 won't build against emc2 cvs HEAD since my Makefile changes (rs274.o not present in the expected location)
13:30:29 <skunkworks> oops.  I on the otherhand never have issues like that.
13:30:31 <skunkworks> ;)
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13:46:20 <jepler> axis 1.1.2 released.  small bugfix for users of emc2.  http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi/downloads/01139924540
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14:26:13 <skunkworks> Only users of EMC2 need to upgrade to this version. It changes the way the "rs274" (g-code interpreter) library is linked, to match changes made recently in the EMC2 CVS. There are no other changes or bugfixes.
14:26:23 <skunkworks> would this fix my problem you think?
14:26:42 <skunkworks> where axis pauses loading or reloading a file after there has been axis movement
14:26:44 <skunkworks> ?
14:28:30 <jepler> skunkworks: no, it wouldn't
14:28:37 <skunkworks> ok - thanks
14:28:40 <jepler> skunkworks: it just changes the way one of the files is linked
14:29:07 <skunkworks> I will proabaly try axis 1.1.2 one more time then go back to 1.1.1 to make sure it works
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15:03:57 <WillieWalker> Hi Everyone - I finished my JRGO-inspired router over the weekend and just started connecting my limit switches.
15:05:49 <WillieWalker> Many many thanks to http://www.timeguy.com/cradek/emc/ubuntu - saved me a bunch of time.  I tried building RTAI and my kernel and emc2 from HEAD several times with limited success.  The timeguy stuff worked well, as long as I saved away my grub/menu.lst first.
15:06:28 <jepler> WillieWalker: That's good to hear.  The Ubuntu stuff is experimental, but it's working well for a number of people
15:08:07 <WillieWalker> My last remaining problem is connecting the limit switches to my Xylotex board.  I have them all set up in series, with all of them set up as normally closed.  I then connected the two resulting wires to GND and Pin 15 on my board.  Then...I added the following to my xylotex_pinout.hal:
15:08:39 <WillieWalker> # Set up limit switches
15:08:39 <WillieWalker> #newsig Elim bit
15:08:39 <WillieWalker> #linkps parport.0.pin-15-in Elim
15:08:39 <WillieWalker> #linkps axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in Elim
15:08:39 <WillieWalker> #linkps axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in Elim
15:08:40 <WillieWalker> #linkps axis.1.neg-lim-sw-in Elim
15:08:42 <WillieWalker> #linkps axis.1.pos-lim-sw-in Elim#linkps axis.2.neg-lim-sw-in Elim
15:08:44 <WillieWalker> linkps axis.2.pos-lim-sw-in Elim
15:08:54 <WillieWalker> Oops - pressed return too soon.  All the appropriate lines are uncommented.
15:09:51 <WillieWalker> The EMC display comes up looking very nice (Yellow fonts when the switches are closed, Red when they are open).
15:11:17 <WillieWalker> But...I keep getting "Joint 0" and max/min hardware errors.  Any ideas?  Should I be connecting Pin 15 to VBB instead of GND?
15:11:32 <cradek> what are the exact errors?
15:12:19 <jepler> I still don't know much hal.  What's "linkps"?
15:12:57 <cradek> link pin to signal?
15:13:02 <WillieWalker> Darn - I knew you were going to ask that.  My machine is booted back into non-realtime mode right now and I'm disconnected from the board doing my real job.  The errors are along the lines of "max hardware limit exceeded for axis 0".  
15:13:05 <cradek> I should read the documentation someday 
15:13:24 <WillieWalker> I'm pretty linkps means link pin to signal.  linksp is link signal to pin, I believe.
15:13:47 <cradek> WillieWalker: you're welcome, I'm glad the ubuntu packages are working well for you
15:14:08 <cradek> WillieWalker: do you get motion when you try to home?
15:14:13 <WillieWalker> cradek: Are you the one who made them?  If so, thanks!
15:14:15 <jepler> WillieWalker: without any limit switches configured, are you able to jog the machine?
15:15:02 <WillieWalker> Without limit switches configured, I can jog the machine just fine and actually run g-code.  Made my first sign.  :-)
15:15:45 <cradek> wonderful
15:17:32 <cradek> WillieWalker: do you think you are getting the right polarity on the switches?  Maybe they need to be inverted?
15:19:08 <cradek> hmm, I don't think Hal_Introduction.pdf even mentions limit switches
15:21:16 <WillieWalker> I think the polarity is fine - EMC shows the right colors when they are pressed/released.  I don't know much about electronics (hence my purchase of the Xylotek board), but I'm wondering if it's possible that I might be getting some sort of voltage drift or something?
15:21:30 <WillieWalker> Keep in mind that I have no idea if/what voltage drift is.  :-)
15:22:07 <cradek> if the colors are right, it seems like that's a good indication that it's working
15:22:37 <cradek> do the numbers turn red when you get the error?
15:23:29 <WillieWalker> Yeah - the hardware part seems OK.  The numbers don't turn red - they just stay yellow.  But, it's quite possible that the screen refresh isn't fast enough to keep up with a minor flicker in the circuit.
15:23:49 <cradek> you're here at a time when the best guys to help with switches/hal aren't around - you might want to send an email to the emc-users list and I bet you'll get a quick answer from jmk or ray.
15:24:04 <WillieWalker> OK - I'll give that a shot.  Thanks!
15:24:19 <cradek> you could use halscope to record (and trigger on) the limit input, and you'll see a glitch there
15:24:33 <cradek> if there's a glitch
15:24:56 <WillieWalker> Great idea.  I'll give that a shot.  Thanks!
15:25:35 <cradek> not to state the obvious, but I bet checking the wiring once more might be a good idea too....
15:25:45 <cradek> let us know how it comes out
15:28:25 <WillieWalker> Hey - home CNC is a lot of fun.  Tons of learning.  Tons of time.  Now - I just want to get past the making of the machine part and on to making chips.  :-)  Thanks everyone!
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15:47:47 <cradek> he was sure cheery
15:47:50 <cradek> I hope he finds the trouble
15:52:03 <jepler> If I read the guide right, you can only link one pin to a signal, not many pins as his pasted text showed
15:52:31 <jepler> does axis have the behavior he was talking about, where axes show red if they're at a limit?
15:53:18 <cradek> nope
15:54:17 <jepler> hm, maybe it should be added
15:54:24 <cradek> I'd want another icon like the home icon
15:54:37 <jepler> Or maybe just the letter "L"?
15:54:42 <cradek> yeah maybe
15:54:54 <jepler> L if at limit, otherwise home icon if homed, otherwise blank?
15:55:17 <cradek> while I think tkemc only shows three states, there may be four
15:55:28 <cradek> not sure without looking
15:55:44 <jepler> what other state is there?
15:55:51 <cradek> at limit, not homed
15:56:21 <jepler> I imagined showing L if at limit, whether homed or not
15:56:59 <cradek> I understood that - but I'm saying you can't distinguish between limit/homed limit/not homed then
15:57:06 <cradek> (I think this is the case in tkemc)
15:57:26 <jepler> Is that important?
15:57:48 <cradek> I don't know
15:57:57 <cradek> I don't have switches so I'm guessing at all of this
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19:12:46 <fenn> jepler: you can only link one write pin to a signal, but you can link as many read pins as you want
19:15:20 <jepler> oh, so there's one limit pin (parport.0.pin-15-in) -> "Elim" signal -> each axis...-lim-sw-in
19:15:23 <jepler> I get it now
19:16:31 <jepler> I'm sure I'll learn to read hal sooner or latr
19:21:04 <cradek> I've noticed there always seems to already be a module that does what you want (debounce?)
19:21:26 <cradek> pretty cool.  it will be nice if we can make the config a little friendlier.
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21:03:56 <jepler> "As you can see in the following pictures, this unit is like having a "manual" CNC router."
21:04:27 <jepler> http://www.eurekazone.com/products/detail/srs.html
21:17:34 <cradek> I once read an article about a procedure a guy called "HNC"
21:17:47 <cradek> he was cutting spheres/sine waves on his manual lathe
21:18:07 <cradek> by generating a table of coordinates and cutting to them manually
21:20:02 <jepler> that's one way to do it
21:20:09 <jepler> clearly it would work
21:20:25 <jepler> but the step rate I can generate is pretty low, not to mention the lost steps
22:01:09 <alex_joni> hi guys
22:04:37 <cradek> hi alex
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23:05:04 <alex_joni> night all
23:32:23 <CIA-8> 03jepler * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: 
23:32:23 <CIA-8> Use bwidget's ScrolledWindow. This gives nice features like scrollbars that
23:32:23 <CIA-8> disappear when unneeded. Unfortunately, I have to touch bwidget internals
23:32:23 <CIA-8> to give the right appearance (focus outline, etc).
23:32:23 <CIA-8> Reorder OK and Cancel buttons so that tab traverses in the expected order.
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