00:00:14 nor cradek, that's why he wrote the new one ;) 00:00:19 (or so I gather) 00:00:41 chris decided to start from scratch since it was so convoluted...hence simpletp 00:01:36 Just have dinner with Fred...then you will understand 00:01:47 He's too smart 00:01:54 I did, but he wouldn't talk about the TP :) 00:02:03 les_w titebond II != gorilla ? 00:02:04 he didn't remember it, I think 00:02:37 convolutes things to the point that it does not bore him....which results in impossible code 00:02:42 oh he remembers 00:03:06 giacus has quit 00:04:19 during Fest, we discussed this a bit, and he did say that it could all be wrong, and possibly should be thrown out 00:04:43 k4ts has joined #emc 00:04:49 or so I think I remember 00:05:09 giacus has joined #emc 00:05:18 hello 00:05:30 jymmm titebond II/III is a water based cross-linking PVA....gorilla is a solvent based moisture cure urethane 00:05:50 swp fred told me that it flat should be thrown out period 00:06:01 hi k4ts!! 00:06:14 ehilaaa les_w 00:07:13 IIRC Fred said it was "junk code" 00:08:49 chips and fries 00:10:06 well, fred can visualize very complex interactions. If something is simple and doesn't require it...he puts it in anyway to not be bored. 00:10:14 heh 00:10:57 He is smart...too smart. I thought I was smart but feel like an ameoba next to him. 00:11:20 now I know that isn't spelled right... 00:11:30 amoeba 00:11:34 ty 00:19:13 Fred should stop writing code and ponder superstring theory in 11 dimensions or a cure for cancer or something 00:21:41 Well, the exploit I discovered has been added to my AV signatures by the vendor. I'm nost sure if that's a good or bad thing. 00:21:50 s/nost/not/ 00:22:11 huh? 00:23:32 I had found a javascript exploit that can infect you with a virus. 00:23:40 oh jymmm...I may have told you...I am giving a wood finishing classfor a group of about 30 at the local high school industrial arts area. 00:23:46 get your ticket! 00:24:31 les_w Mailman already came today... wehn did you mail my FIRST CLASS ticket? 00:24:35 java can be a trojan for a virus? 00:24:43 uhmm 00:24:56 i doubt it 00:24:57 les_w Yes... noth Java AND now Javascript. 00:25:03 les_w Yes... both Java AND now Javascript. 00:25:10 first class...of course...can't have you in the back with the riff-raff 00:25:11 fuck I can't type today. 00:25:38 les_w I'm 6'4"... I aint gonna be a sardine for a two+ hour flight 00:26:23 I am short...but I hate 12 hrs in economy a lot.... 00:26:24 The Javascript exploit was really nasty... took a while to find, then to analize is a safe manner. 00:27:09 You dont even have to click on a link, just visitng an infected website was enough. 00:27:35 It was very creative, that's for sure. 00:27:40 possibly like the one that hijacked my site a few weeks ago 00:27:57 I think they got in with non secure ftp 00:27:58 Sorta like that, yes. 00:28:12 then your website becomes the carrier 00:28:18 yep 00:28:24 and everyone that vistis gets infected 00:28:38 This one originated from Russia/Ukrane 00:28:44 I refreshed the html and changed the password...no problems so far 00:29:43 cool. I'm only using sftp now. 00:29:54 just for safe measures 00:30:25 my hit count took a nose dive those few days...and anyone that visited then will never return 00:31:00 at least not with JS enabled 00:31:08 yeah 00:31:22 I can instantly turn java/js on/off 00:31:25 I expect 99% have JS enabled 00:31:48 I never run with JAVA enabled, but JS I do 00:32:36 I have to put up a new web site for this wood finishing class thing 00:32:44 And with another project I'm working on... I haven't even written a line of code yet becasue I'm planning out all the security crap! 00:34:48 I was gonna write a simple captcha, but not after the website I found. 00:35:46 wb9mjn has joined #emc 00:35:51 I don't know much about that stuff... I just make websites and ftp em up with commercial software 00:35:58 Hey Les ! 00:35:59 hi wb9 00:36:17 Welp, I took delivery on a Prius on Wednesday in Skunktown... 00:36:23 will be up your way soon 00:36:27 where skunkworks lives... 00:36:30 les : [CAPTCHA] Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart (see: http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/tutorial-mehmet1.php), also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha and http://www.ocr-research.org.ua/list.html 00:36:47 tell me about the prius 00:36:55 42.8 mpg at 70 mph for 284 miles back here...! 00:37:08 looks cool 00:37:12 It was the first HSD (Hybrid Synergy Drive) that Toyota did... 00:37:16 good reliability 00:37:41 They have the planetary gear set between the motors and the engine and axle... 00:37:56 I m hoping for very good mechanical reliability... 00:38:09 I still have not bought a travel car...and ITW is bugging me to get up there 00:38:28 les_w Ask them to buy you one 00:38:28 I'll live at the extended stayamerica on 53 I guess 00:38:37 The Lexus LS is next for the HSD treatment after the Camry which roles out in June... 00:38:53 I mean GS ... 00:39:14 yeah GS is on the short list for me 00:39:37 In two days bact to work, including a bunch of lunch time block rounders, this tank of gas is getting 43.5 mpg ... 00:39:41 so far... 00:39:46 Yep...I remeber that... 00:39:49 neat 00:39:57 how big is the tank? 00:39:59 where is work? 00:40:07 Wood Dale...about 25 miles... 00:40:25 Its 11.9 gallons...hand .3 of a tank when I pulled in here from skunktown... 00:40:40 ah...I lived in elmhurst before medinah....close by 00:40:44 Why is it that a tankfull is ALWAYS ~300 miles?! 00:41:11 Started out at 15 degrees outside temp and it was snowing and 32 when I pulled into town here...no snow except for in town here the whole 00:41:13 trip... 00:41:50 People at work really like it, including the president of the company and the lead sales guy...sales guy wants to do Ft Wayne and back on 00:41:56 Fond memories of moving to evanston from florida 00:41:57 one tank...which I think he can.. 00:42:01 I had no idea 00:42:08 had no car either 00:42:35 bought a new plymouth and tried to learn how to drive on the icy side streets 00:43:00 it was better than freezing on L platforms 00:43:14 If you work out that mileage lymm, its 405.7 miles on the tank that day I drove the car back... 00:43:24 That s 284/(1-.3) ... 00:44:00 that's not too shabby... I'd prefer 500miles/tank 00:44:21 the neat thing is that you get lots of off the line torque from the electrics even with a small gas engine 00:44:23 They are supposed to be selling a $72K HSD sportscar in Germany this year....0-60 in 4.0 sec, 30 mpg... 00:44:30 pundits say it will never fly 00:44:35 Sure do, he he... 00:44:36 but I am not so sure 00:44:52 Its already flying....this is why GM is freaked out.... 00:45:01 yeah 00:45:28 LA is Priuscrazy...Leonardo DeCaprio has 4 of em ... 00:45:37 ha 00:46:17 what battery does it use? Lithium hydride? 00:46:34 In Florida and California they get 500 m/tank on many occaisions...but not at 15 degrees F outside, hi.. 00:46:36 here is an interesting technology i'd never heard about before.. http://vri.etec.wwu.edu/pdf files/v29paper.pdf 00:46:54 thermophotovoltaics 00:47:22 It NiMH,,but just this year the LI batteries have become practical for the application...Sanyo and MIT invented nano-engineered electrode 00:48:05 technologies that give the LI battery quicker recharge time, and long charge retention capabilities...ideal for Hybrid Car... 00:48:10 what is the battery life? 00:48:27 Its 100 K / 8 year garuntee.... 00:48:49 wow 00:49:00 Taxis have been running the Prius with 200 K life on many of the cars...Toyota says their design nominal was 150 K miles... 00:49:35 They only let the battery discharge to 40 % or recharge to 80 % ...and its in the cabin...so when in use, its temp controlled... 00:50:06 They had all sorts of developement problems when they hung them underneath the car, and the Thermal radiation off the pavement fried the 00:50:08 batteries... 00:50:27 So, now they have the batteries under the rear passenger seat... 00:50:27 well, I saw a prius today on the hiway. Looked good too. 00:50:46 Best Cd on the market .... .26 ... 00:51:02 hmmm 00:51:28 Cars have problems with drag....not like airplanes at .1 or so.... 00:51:43 perhaps I ought to drive one...even though I am looking for a heavy cruising car 00:51:57 just put some more batteries in it les 00:52:04 haha 00:52:20 Batteries usually survive the headons, so they are available salvage now ... 00:52:31 full electric one way trip 00:52:36 i bet its feasible 00:52:42 Nope...really does not work like that.... 00:53:11 But some guys in CA are working on a "Plug-in" Prius...with big LI batteries, to get 30 miles range ... 00:53:23 I need an old man car. Total silence at 70 mph. Good handling, but I don't want to hear or feel the road very much anymore. 00:53:26 They think they could cut down on gas usage by half.... 00:53:45 I want to not be tired when I get to my meeting. 00:53:57 les_w: one word: chauffeur :) 00:54:04 haha 00:54:11 You can feel the road a little...but it is quite quiet...only a 1.5 liter engine and hardly no wind noise ... 00:54:16 another word: 00:54:20 Lexus. 00:54:32 Did not get a sore but till about 10 miles from home.... 00:54:57 huh? 00:55:05 it gives you sores? 00:55:10 explain... 00:55:12 No.... 00:55:42 Sitting in a car for 5 hours tends to make me give some tail-bone soreness... 00:55:51 yeah... 00:56:12 But did not have any till about 4 hrs 50 minutes in this car... 00:56:24 ok that's not bad 00:56:35 Nope... 00:57:11 But, I m sure they will do a nice job on the GS too.... 00:58:05 Handling takes some getting used to...I m used to the cues of being able to see the corners when I turn...in the SL2 ... 00:58:08 Well I always blasted around in hard seated bmw and audi....hard seats are so you interact with the road 00:58:13 which I liked 00:58:20 This car has a high seating position, and you have to dead reckon a little.... 00:58:33 but now I want something a little more soft 00:58:51 Yep...Had an Opel Manta and could tell anything the rear axle was doing in that car... 00:59:10 It's awful to get old. 00:59:15 Yep.... 00:59:43 old man car for me. 01:00:03 This will be my old-man car probably...plan to keep it for 10 years.... 01:00:42 On the Z drive here...I got some servo-disk motors.... 01:00:58 Going to use the big one, as I can get a lower stall current with it.... 01:01:22 Then once that is working, will look into a counter balance air spring... 01:03:09 probably will take me a couple of months...from-scratch motor mounting plate... 01:03:47 big....10 by 6 with milled circular pockets and through bores.... 01:03:56 tapped holes.... 01:04:22 Have it kinda designed...have to get some workholding bits and pieces... 01:05:27 Watching Olympics starting on other screen on the computer here... 01:08:59 acemi has quit 01:10:25 sorry phone again 01:10:33 olympics on huh? 01:11:08 I just likre the ice skater girls. 01:12:01 They are interviewing one now..... 01:12:06 I think ... 01:12:32 think i'll go to the music room and check it out while we see if we get snowed in..... 01:12:46 Need to tweak in my lathe tailstock....Ground a tang into a dead center last friday....came out nice.... 01:13:00 Yep...It was Michelle Kwan... 01:13:21 Put in centers in head and tail stocks....could see how far it was off.... 01:13:26 later wb9 01:13:30 73... 01:14:55 stupid ham people 01:15:03 you cant do anything cool on ham 01:15:10 bah 01:19:31 Depends on what you feel is cool... 01:34:36 jmkasunich has joined #emc 01:52:36 k4ts has quit 02:00:53 fenn: Sure you can... ATV, APRS, Packet, 02:01:34 Jymmm: you arent allowed to do any encryption or any traffic that includes obscenities 02:01:57 so for example lets say you downloaded an internet web page with an "obscenity" on it 02:01:57 fenn and your point is? 02:02:52 or if someone (me) /msgs you "FUCK" well there's your $11,000 fine 02:04:11 Only if you made a habbit of it and it only be a pinkslip anyway 02:04:34 i just dont get it 02:05:13 Well, if you remove the old-fart aspect from ham radio, it's not too shabby at what you can do/accomplish. 02:06:15 I am a ham, but that's about the only thing I'm not too fond of. 02:06:57 old-fart doesn't necessarily refer to age, as much as attitude. 02:07:58 I enjoy T-Hunt 02:14:52 fenn: If it matters much to you, having your ticket also gives you the right to experiment too. Where do yu think cell phones originated from? 02:15:42 i think radio band licensing, satellite orbit licensing, property ownership in general is a crock 02:17:44 what, you want anyone to be able to tranmit anywhere they please? 02:18:06 well, that's how it is no matter what you do 02:18:07 I mean, look at 11m (CB radio). 02:18:29 sorry i cant see in radio (yet) 02:18:32 fenn Right... I dont hear jammers on my FM radio in the car 02:18:59 or pirate tv 02:19:07 and it's a damn shame 02:19:42 There are a bunch of unlicensed bands, are you usng any of them? 02:19:59 only 802.11 02:20:16 then wha cha bitchin bout?! 02:21:06 even 802.11 is regulated 02:21:32 cant even get any decent open source drivers for my roomie's laptop because of the bs 02:21:44 lol 02:21:48 someone "might turn up the power on their wireless card if we release the specs" 02:22:02 fenn and you will too 02:22:23 BUSTED! 02:22:32 i'd set it to whatever works best 02:22:38 what's wrong with that? 02:22:41 Uh huh... highest 02:23:12 hey, how bout I add an external waveguide to my microwave overn so it can cook faster! 02:23:43 look, i'm just saying the regs don't reflect reality 02:24:17 and are generally un-american 02:24:19 it's also due to safety 02:24:22 * fenn never thought he'd say that 02:26:54 being unrealistic is very american these days 02:26:59 goooood niiiiiight 02:27:02 :P 02:27:31 giacus has quit 03:04:46 jmkasunich has quit 03:11:21 jmkasunich has joined #emc 03:44:15 03jepler * 10emc2/src/Makefile: first pass at making the new build system work with bdi-live rc46 -- it builds but I haven't tested it yet 03:46:50 .. in fact I think I'll be done for the night after I verify it hasn't broken building on ubuntu 03:50:40 lerman has quit 03:51:02 lerman_ has joined #emc 03:51:04 lerman_ is now known as lerman 03:58:34 emc2 still builds and runs on ubuntu breezy .. builds but is untested on bdi-live .. built and ran earlier on bdi-4.30 03:58:38 goodnight all 03:58:50 goodnight 03:58:58 thanks for all the good work 04:00:58 night, thanks 04:47:17 Ephexis has joined #EMC 04:50:36 03cradek * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/ (4 files): fix warnings 04:52:45 SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away 05:59:56 jmkasunich is now known as jmk_away 06:04:17 skunkworks has joined #emc 06:14:06 skunkworks has quit 06:46:46 cradek: have you fallen asleep yet? 06:54:07 cradek: your changes to the kernel now work on this old P200. I can run cds.ngc with default stepper.ini settings 06:54:55 interface is slow and the cpu is showing pretty close to 100% (93-99%) during the run. 06:56:07 cradek: I have some piezio buzzers on the step pins and the pulse trains sound ok. 07:01:35 cradek: I could not get the sim-axis setup to run.... I get the spash screen, the sizeof info on the console window and the axis display window...I can f1,f2,4, get the file open window up (but blank) and it never gets as far as letting me open a gcode file. CPU is maxed out at 99% even after an all night wait. 07:02:28 cradek: rats... lost part of my post... 07:03:43 cradek: axis sim does not work. gets as far as splash, painint axis screen and writing sizeof (now continue from above) 07:05:11 logger_aj: bookmark 07:05:11 See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-02-11#T07-05-11 07:09:30 Ephexis has quit 08:32:03 Jymmm has quit 12:00:10 acemi has joined #emc 12:40:57 giacus has joined #emc 13:08:44 robin_sz has joined #emc 13:08:46 meep 13:11:37 Morning all... 13:45:56 acemi has quit 14:16:47 dmessier has quit 14:29:38 my bdi-live-in-qemu is behaving oddly: scripts/emc2 seems to have a lot of 'sleep's to keep everything from happening at once .. but "sleep 5" takes at least minutes to exit. I finally killed it from top 14:45:27 after rebooting and increasing BASE_PERIOD, it works. 14:45:27 yay 14:55:52 hello 14:56:09 jepler: nice work 15:02:50 aslan_ has joined #emc 15:02:59 aslan_ has left #emc 15:22:30 bdi2's X server won't work inside qemu 15:22:33 anybody know if there's a trick? 15:24:57 oh well, I don't think I'll worry about it right now 15:25:30 it's not likely to work, because the dependency step assumes there's a compiler that makes gcc3-style dependency information 16:14:25 Ephexis has joined #EMC 16:15:21 rayh has joined #emc 16:43:06 03jepler * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/Submakefile: build m5i20cfg 17:00:59 cradek: can I get the .config from your latest linux-image without installing the deb? 17:01:34 jepler: you can download it, and use gzip to unpack it 17:01:41 you could get it out of the deb, or I could send it to you 17:01:45 or maybe chris can send it.. 17:01:49 haha 17:02:12 cradek: what's funny? 17:02:22 we gave the same answer 17:03:12 that's only expectable 17:03:15 :-P 17:03:33 you know.. the 'great minds think alike' ;) 17:07:26 now this is really funny.. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/default.mspx 17:07:34 only "usefull" improvements 17:10:32 and they've made the "close" button bigger, because it was just too small before 17:11:09 and added a scrollbar to the start menu 17:11:12 jepler: that is one thing I am bitching about on ubuntu 17:11:14 man, give me a commandline 17:11:31 I am very used on doze not to look where the close button is 17:11:50 it's basicly on the top-right corner of the desktop, when the app is maximized 17:11:55 alex_joni: hit alt-f4! 17:12:02 use the keyboard God gave you 17:12:13 lol, but satan gave me a mouse ;) 17:12:35 hah. the screenshots show running as 'administrator' 17:12:56 that's default on doze, you can't do pretty much nothing as normal user 17:13:01 installing software & such :/ 17:13:05 no sudo either 17:13:10 alex_joni: but vista will be different!!!!!!! and secure!!!!!!! 17:13:17 ROFLMAO 17:13:20 right.. 17:13:25 alex_joni: windows has had 'switch user' and 'run as' at least since XP and I think since 2000... 17:13:38 98 too 17:13:40 it's easy to run an installer as administrator if you have to 17:13:45 but no-one uses that 17:13:49 :) 17:14:04 jepler: it will be different : "Windows Vista Aero provides spectacular visual effects such as glass-like interface elements that you can see through." 17:14:17 now that I call USEFULL 17:15:07 "Often malware is hidden in programs that appeal to children. To help protect your computer, you can create standard user accounts for your children. When your child tries to install a piece of software, the system will ask for an administrator account's password. Your children cannot install new programs by themselves." 17:15:26 ohh.. scary 17:15:32 s/children/users/ 17:15:42 my children can't install software anymore? who's gonna administer my pc? :( 17:15:51 s/children/parents/ 17:16:04 oh, yeah, I believe you. It's your *kid* who installed all the malware. It didn't come in "huge-t**s.exe" 17:16:18 lol 17:16:37 yeah, it did, but it was my *kid* who got it 17:20:26 rayh has quit 17:48:58 acemi has joined #emc 18:10:22 les_w has quit 18:26:31 A-L-P-H-A has quit 18:56:50 LawrenceG has quit 19:03:10 LawrenceG has joined #emc 19:05:32 A-L-P-H-A has joined #emc 19:16:42 cradek: I rebuilt a kernel with your new settings, but turned back on my APIC-related items. After that, the latest rtai and emc2 debs installed just fine and look like they work 19:16:50 cradek: I didn't need 'lapic' on the kernel commandline 19:17:00 cradek: s/APIC-related/ACPI-related/ 19:17:25 bbl 20:06:25 jmk_away is now known as jmkasunich 20:43:58 alpha1125 has joined #emc 20:49:00 jepler: that's great 20:58:09 I wonder what feedrate les is usually running on his machine 20:59:26 A-L-P-H-A has quit 20:59:47 A-L-P-H-A has joined #emc 21:00:46 here's a emc2 user running F9000 21:01:01 ?? 21:01:12 mm, not inch 21:01:21 but still pretty much 21:01:38 G0 is 18000 mm/min 21:02:04 http://www.zanner.sbg.at/DSCN2548.jpg 21:03:20 alpha1125 has quit 21:14:59 that guy's definitely a vampire 21:40:09 Jymmm has joined #emc 22:05:36 Jymmm is now known as Jymmmm 22:16:22 logger_aj has joined #emc 22:16:22 topic is: "Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home:www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developers' meetings every Sunday 14:00-18:00 GMT | wiki up @ http://wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller" 22:16:22 Users on #emc: logger_aj Jymmmm A-L-P-H-A LawrenceG acemi Ephexis robin_sz giacus lerman jmkasunich wb9mjn steve_stallings picnet jepler ValarQ bill2or3 CIA-8 SWP_Away zwisk particles alex_joni bill20r3 anonimasu fenn jtr_ @ChanServ ccjoe cradek robin 22:19:47 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/Makefile: added message for sudo make setuid 22:40:18 03jepler * 10emc2/src/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 22:40:18 Refinements to makefiles 22:40:18 Makefile: Use .PHONY. Use $(LIB_DIR). Use $(KERNELDIR). 22:40:18 Submakefiles: create ../lib before trying to put a lib there. 22:48:35 03alex_joni * 10emc2/bin/emc-config.in: added first version, configure needs to be fixed for this to work 23:16:34 03alex_joni * 10emc2/bin/emc-config.in: updated the proper param 23:23:15 03alex_joni * 10emc2/ (src/configure.in src/configure scripts/emc.in): configure now takes care of directories and supplies values to changed files (scripts/emc, scripts/realtime, bin/emc-config) 23:29:33 SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos 23:34:49 03alex_joni * 10emc2/docs/INSTALL: updated latest info 23:37:14 03alex_joni * 10emc2/docs/NEWS: updated NEWS, with jeff's changes to the buildsystem 23:38:54 03alex_joni * 10emc2/debian/changelog: changes to the buildsystem 23:41:09 acemi has left #emc 23:57:49 meep?