00:33:04 damn it 00:33:06 General Director of Independent News Agency "Cubanacán 00:33:06 Press " in hunger strike until Cuban authorities provide 00:33:08 free access to the internet from his home. 00:33:22 http://www.repubblica.it/2006/b/sezioni/esteri/cubafame/cubafame/este_03160821_09530.jpg 00:34:26 giacus url to the story? 00:34:36 http://www.puenteinfocubamiami.org/cuba_latest2006.htm 00:34:52 ty 00:36:35 lol 00:38:43 i think that says something about cuba.. but i dont know what 00:39:45 fenn: scroll the page there's a complete article by Guillermo Farinas 00:39:55 this man here: http://www.repubblica.it/2006/b/sezioni/esteri/cubafame/cubafame/este_03160821_09530.jpg 00:40:08 how much he can live ? 00:40:13 yes i read it.. 00:40:15 1 week ? O_O 00:41:11 looks like a zombie .. 00:41:31 you would too if you went a year without eating 00:41:52 a year ? impossible.. 00:42:07 says he started january last year 00:42:16 withoud drink life is very short 00:42:35 jan 2006 ? 00:44:16 oops i read that wrong 00:44:24 yeah .. 00:44:43 maybe it would be better for his cause if he drank water.. 00:44:46 3days w/o water and your body starts shutting down 00:45:01 anyone can kill themself.. it takes guts to starve to death :) 00:45:26 yes, you can live for a long time without food but not without water .. 00:49:47 " I have decided to start a hunger strike without liquids," .. 00:50:08 * fenn goes to bed.. night night 00:50:12 will die soon 00:50:18 G night fenn 01:04:23 * giacus goes too 01:04:26 Night 01:04:36 giacus is now known as giacus_afk 01:05:44 G'Night giacus_afk (Jacky) 01:09:13 acemi has quit 01:28:05 dmessier has quit 01:31:42 picnet has joined #emc 03:56:59 Jymmm: some jpegs for you 03:57:00 http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/unpolished.jpg 03:57:10 http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/polished1.jpg 03:57:21 http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/polished2.jpg 03:59:06 that last one shows the dots nicely 03:59:13 Jymmm: these photos were taken under room lighting, with the plexiglass flat on the surface of a book. "unpolished" is a side that I didn't do anything with after it was milled with that tool we talkeda bout earlier, "polished" is sanded then buffed, and "polished2" shows the tiny dots through the side, to show that the polish really worked well. 04:03:32 cradek: yeah, it does 04:11:25 jepler: http://timeguy.com/cradek/emc/ubuntu 04:19:26 weyland has joined #emc 04:19:58 ne1 awake? 04:20:18 a little 04:20:34 hey man~! how ya been? 04:20:45 seem to be ok I guess 04:20:51 :) 04:21:12 who's the "in hte know" guy these days? 04:21:25 I'm sure that depends greatly on the topic 04:21:41 got a question about EMC and Bridgeport V2XT's 04:22:04 well I know about emc, but I don't know what a V2XT is 04:23:09 just wondering if anyone ever played with getting EMC to work with the hardware inside one, without changing everything 04:23:11 http://cgi.ebay.com/1992-Bridgeport-V2XT-CNC-3-Axis-Vertical-Mill-DX32-N-R_W0QQitemZ7585635518QQcategoryZ12584QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 04:23:49 damn... shoulda just said ebay item number 7585635518 is an example of one 04:24:41 looks like it comes with a working 386! why use emc? 04:25:07 I'm sure those six floppies are still good; they're only 13 years old 04:25:27 well, I've got a line on one that the motherboard blew up on, but is otherwise in PRISTINE condition 04:25:50 slick 04:25:53 was playing with the idea of upgrading the computer and running EMC 04:26:08 I wonder what the machine interface is 04:26:12 I know the machine from day 1, and it's only been used 20 times 04:26:35 15 of those were cutting plastic, 5 were Aluminum 04:26:36 if it's analog out an encoder counts in (and you can find information about it), it'll be easy to write a hal driver. 04:26:52 ... AND encoder counts in 04:27:19 I, personally, have no idea, but thought someone involved in EMC might know, for some odd reason 04:27:22 :) 04:27:28 or, you could probably get a modern card like Motenc 04:27:34 I was thinking Jon might know 04:27:39 he sure might 04:27:44 someone probably does know, but not us ;) 04:27:55 Ray, JonE, maybe even jmk 04:27:57 :) Hey man~! 04:28:01 just ship it over to me, and I'll get it working. Then you can buy this one on ebay 04:28:02 hiya 04:28:03 SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos 04:28:10 LOL 04:28:25 you might be able to get an old '386 cheaper than the interface to that machine 04:28:28 The one I'm hoping for is local to me, in my old VoTech school 04:28:47 that's a nice lead then 04:29:01 that's good, because it probably weighs 5000 pounds 04:29:12 my old Teacher called me to offer it to me, because he knows I can fix it 04:29:24 and he doesn't wanna see it waste away 04:29:34 you can likely run it with emc and an analog I/O card (plus some digital) 04:29:34 and I can get it CHEAP 04:29:39 REALLY cheap 04:30:02 sounds like you can get it for $0 plus hauling it out of his shop 04:30:06 SWPadnos: yeah, I thought of that 04:30:27 not THAT cheap, but cheap enough that I wouldn't worry over it 04:30:43 hell - I'll pay you $150 for it 04:30:55 anyway, I just thought it would be kewl (if I had to upgrade it) to put EMC on it 04:30:55 as long as you keep the dead motherboard 04:31:02 No way. 04:31:09 I won't take over 5$ for it 04:31:15 OK - I'll take the motherboard then 04:31:19 :) 04:31:54 I'm sure I have several 386/486 motherboards around 04:32:07 The problem is that the Bridgeport software won't run if you put a faster processor in 04:32:10 it also might be fun to put it back to original (if the original software is functional enough) 04:32:15 Ooo. Really? 04:32:33 oh I'm sure somewhere 04:32:37 I have the software 04:32:44 a 486 without the turbo switch on would surely work 04:32:52 Hrrrmmmm 04:32:58 remember turbo switches? That's pretty funny now, isn't it 04:33:09 oooohhh - 33 MHz - WOW! 04:33:11 Hahahahaha... yeah... 04:33:21 ha, I had a 386/40 04:33:27 MathCoProcessoer, anyone? 04:33:28 WITH A COPROCESSOR 04:33:32 lol 04:33:42 I remember watching centipede run on the AT&T 6300WGS (386, 25 or 33 MHz) 04:33:50 that was my first linux machine. It kicked ass. 04:33:51 right up there with LeisureSuit Larry 04:34:03 the damn thing too 1/2 second to get to the bottom of the screen 04:34:18 Weitek or Intel? 04:34:26 intel 04:34:39 can you read all the floppies for the original software? 04:34:40 not many people bought the Weiteks 04:34:44 I was also thinking of possibly running the software in DOSEMU, wine, or VMWare 04:34:50 if so, make copies TODAY 04:34:59 no, that'll never work 04:35:04 HAve it on CD 04:35:09 ah, great 04:35:17 why? 04:35:22 why wouldn't it work? 04:35:26 access? 04:35:28 because the latency would be screwed with 04:35:40 dos is pseudo-realtime by nature 04:36:09 jepler: and the "dots" were created with the osrund bit? 04:36:55 Jymmm: they were done with a pointed 60 degree PCB mechanical-etching tool 04:37:15 Jymmm: the dots are about .004 diameter 04:37:52 cradek Ah, ok. so what was the onsrund bit used for, cutting? 04:38:01 yeah just cutting the outside shape 04:38:51 cradek: very cool. I hope I get good results engraving/carving with their bits then 04:39:23 we had a lot of trouble cutting out a shape without melting/rewelding (using regular 2 or 4 flute endmills) 04:40:03 weyland has quit 04:40:04 cradek: I spent about 6 hours researching/talking to onsrund 04:40:20 bye weyland 04:41:09 rebooting... 04:41:19 Jymmm has quit 05:42:58 Jymmm has joined #emc 07:25:15 Jymmm has quit 08:38:56 cradek: you still up? 09:01:52 Jymmm has joined #emc 09:02:18 Jymmm has left #emc 09:31:56 cradek: tried install of emc2 as per new info on your website.... 09:32:43 all seems to have installed, but when I run emc from command line or menu, insmod fails to load most of the modules 09:33:17 I get operation not permitted on rtai_hal.ko 09:33:32 file exists on adeos.ko 09:34:17 unknown symbol in module on rtai_up.ko 09:34:39 and similar errors on 6 more modules 09:35:04 finally emc bails with could not load rtapi and hal_lib 09:35:22 will try some more tomorrow... goodnight all 09:35:46 logger_aj: bookmark 09:35:46 See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-02-04#T09-35-46 09:58:49 CIA-17 has quit 10:00:31 CIA-8 has joined #emc 12:23:45 Imperator_ has joined #emc 12:26:11 logger_aj: bookmark 12:26:12 See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-02-04#T12-26-11 13:23:06 wb9mjn has joined #emc 13:28:21 giacus_afk is now known as giacus 14:38:11 Imperator_ has quit 14:54:45 SWPadnos has quit 15:12:17 TorbaX has joined #emc 15:48:49 cncuser has joined #emc 15:48:55 acemi has joined #emc 15:48:55 hello folks 15:53:29 hi cncuser 15:54:54 hi jepler :) 15:55:57 i want to play around with my cnc today 15:56:18 rayh has joined #emc 15:56:20 but still have the problem of different formats and converting to gcode emc eats 15:57:14 like ps2gcode... produces a gcodefile but axis/emc barfs because the format doesnt match 15:57:24 I write most of the software that I produce gcode with, so it hasn't been a problem for me 15:57:31 jepler: haha 15:57:32 I'm not familiar with ps2gcode 15:58:05 well, i have some nice vectorgraphics and would like to gcode them 15:59:37 the converting is all so complicated 16:00:18 this software? http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~alanb/ps2gc.html 16:00:24 i have eps as source .. kann use inkscape to save it as svg, but cant convert it using cam.py (which i intended to use) 16:00:27 it looks like it dumps some debugging information directly into the output 16:00:40 no, thats not the problem 16:00:59 if you specify a outputfile no debuggingstuff will get written into the outputfile 16:01:10 oh 16:01:15 only if you use stdout you get trash at the start 16:01:25 What gcode problems are there. 16:01:47 G20 16:01:47 G17 G40 G49 G53 G80 16:01:48 G90 16:01:48 G1 Z0.1 16:01:48 G0 Z0.5 16:01:48 G0 X7.063194 Y16.182222 16:01:52 G0 Z0.1 16:01:54 G1 Z-0.050000 16:02:09 no G)3 or )4 ( as i take out the ngc handbook) 16:02:24 G93, G94 16:03:09 axis thinks that the line with "G53" is bogus 16:03:14 I don't see a G93 16:03:33 yes, but if i do G17 G40 G49 G53 G0 G80 it says its ok 16:03:54 jep: yes, thats the problem axis barfs about... no feedrate 16:04:00 that's probably not what you want 16:04:06 probably 16:04:06 well there is no feedrate in that program 16:04:34 i got no clou on ngc... and really, i dont intend to dig deep till i have finished some other stuff 16:04:34 g0 and g80 ought to barf. 16:04:36 G0 G53 X- Y- Z- moves in the absolute coordinate system 16:04:43 rayh: that's true too 16:05:02 rayh: but it looks like it's accepted 16:05:48 cncuser: I'd just remove the G53, rather than trying to add a G0 so that it's accepted 16:05:49 Dave E pointed out the other day that g40 will cause problems on a long line. 16:06:18 It seems that the interp wants to set units before it does other stuff. 16:06:26 cncuser: Maybe in some other system, G53 means all following moves are in machine coordinates, but that's not what emc does, and it undoes the usefulness of offsets. 16:06:45 and can't set units if units is is use 16:06:58 G53 is only effective on the line in which it is used. 16:07:06 Always has been that way. 16:07:14 rayh: "maybe in some other system" .. 16:07:18 was that way on ab and fanuc when the interp was written. 16:07:42 fprintf(file,"G80\n"); // Cancel any existing motion cycle 16:07:56 I'd say just take out the lines that generate G53 G80 16:08:33 add add an F- somehow 16:08:42 cannot do g1 with zero feedrate 16:09:00 hmmm 16:09:56 is feedrate an arg to the converter? 16:11:25 cncuser: do you have an example .ps file? The simple one I wrote doesn't produce any XY movements even though I think it should. 16:11:41 0 0 moveto 100 100 lineto stroke showpage 16:11:51 shure 16:13:18 oh, wait, I was just invoking it wrong. now I got something. 16:13:28 eek, this gcode is scarily wrong 16:13:39 ok 16:13:46 G1 Z0.1 16:13:46 G0 Z0.5 16:13:46 G0 X0.000000 Y0.000000 16:13:56 I guess Z0.1 is supposed to be above the workpiece 16:14:11 hmm 16:14:30 i dump that tool 16:17:07 maybe try this patch before you give up. http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/ps2gc-for-emc.patch 16:17:24 the generated file does load in axis+emc1 16:17:38 hmm, ok 16:20:42 it works, but loks strange :) 16:20:54 very edgy 16:24:53 hmmm 16:27:22 I don't think this interprets postscript very well 16:28:05 This should make a square (and it does, according to my postscript viewer): 0 0 moveto 72 0 lineto 72 72 lineto 0 72 lineto closepath stroke showpage 16:28:22 but I only get a diagonal line 16:44:33 hmm 17:17:34 hmm, cam.py used on a svg also gives me something i doidnt intend... 17:17:47 looks like hereses a lot to do :( 17:46:59 Jymmm has joined #emc 17:48:41 acemi has quit 17:51:17 acemi has joined #emc 17:55:44 jepler: what do i do wrong if i load something into axis and it looks correctly. but when i start it plots it miniminiminimized in some corner. 17:57:21 your units are screwy.. didnt we already go over this? 17:57:36 acemi has quit 17:57:41 fenn: hmmm, maybe, dont remember 17:57:42 * fenn suggests either adding a g20 or g21 or getting the latest axis 17:58:23 ok, thanks 18:01:31 extensions/emcmodule.cc:371: error: 'class EMC_TRAJ_STAT' has no member named ' 18:01:31 motion_type' 18:01:31 error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 18:01:33 hmm, ok 18:01:52 cncuser: you'll need to update your emc2 and axis both 18:02:02 damit 18:02:16 ok, so emc first 18:02:26 cncuser: or you can just remove the line with the error. I don't think motion_type is used by axis yet 18:02:43 that's true 18:02:54 because jepler hasn't finished that 18:04:02 I'm just lazy 18:04:12 harhar 18:04:13 never 18:04:21 cncuser: or you could get the 1.1.1 release instead of 1.2 18:04:33 i get the latest opf the latest :) 18:05:15 ok then maybe you should update emc2 too 18:05:21 i do ) 18:05:24 right now compile 18:05:37 emc2 and axis cvs-head tend to track right together 18:05:41 thanks to the scripts its no hassle at all ;) 18:08:22 wooow 18:08:30 the gui changed again :) 18:09:05 ? 18:11:46 yours must have been old 18:11:55 I think we fixed all the units problems some time ago 18:16:48 acemi has joined #emc 18:22:46 roltek has joined #emc 18:23:50 cncuser has quit 18:29:57 cncuser has joined #emc 18:30:13 hi again 18:31:07 oki, the newest emc2+the newest axis & stepper mm config + axis as DISPLAY made myt puter hang right after the configurationdialogs 18:31:48 even sysrq didnt work. a full hang 18:31:56 maybe PERIOD is too small 18:32:34 cradek: should that matter if the machine is not even runed on (estop on, machine off) 18:32:43 cncuser: doesn't matter 18:33:37 hi alex, btw :) 18:34:00 hi btw ;) 18:34:41 sorry, im not able to look at this any further right now. my collegue needs the puter... idea eats up massive ressources 18:34:53 lol 18:35:28 xterminals rule :) 18:36:13 but ther error happens on the setup i described in the puppysitmastering howto 18:36:21 2.4.31 kernel 19:00:56 when i use the BDI's 2.6.12.6-magma kernel, my disk has very low performance because i can't set dma with hdparm. is this normal? 19:02:24 i get " HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" message when i use hdparm -d1 19:06:49 Timing buffered disk reads with 2.6.8-2-686 is 40.55 MB/sec; with magma kernel is ~5.00 /MB/sec 19:07:38 jmkasunich has joined #emc 19:09:38 03alex_joni * 10emc2/docs/help/tkemc.txt: moved the helpfile over from emc1 19:13:42 03alex_joni * 10emc2/tcl/tkemc.tcl: updated tkemc so it can find the helpfile 19:14:59 acemi: dma mazbe dissabled because it interfers with the rtai capabilities 19:15:27 acemi: a disk could use memory anytime it wants to. that doesnt help predictability 19:15:55 acemi: I had the exact same problems 19:16:02 it's a kernel problem 19:16:15 I had it with 2.6.8-2-SMP-686 19:16:18 kernel problem? 19:16:32 alex: i think its intentional. the earlier bdis also had dma diabled 19:16:47 my fix was to add the specific IDE chipset driver on top of /etc/modules 19:16:51 cncuser: no way 19:17:12 alex: well, it sounds logical to me that dma doesnt improve realtime 19:17:36 cncuser: I am talking about an unpatched kernel 19:17:42 no RTAI 19:17:43 alex_joni but i have no problem with 2.6.8 kernel 19:17:53 if the cpu has nothing to do with it. the hardware could be used by other hardware without adeos keeping it from doing so 19:18:19 alexjoni: hmmm 19:18:19 acemi: the kernel works, but the idegeneric driver doesn't as it should 19:18:36 in my case I needed the piix module 19:18:37 i thought magma...bla is the rtaid stuff 19:19:00 after putting that piix into /etc/modules and rebooting, I could hdparm it 19:20:10 oh, and with 2.4 this worked ok 19:20:16 just 2.6.8 was the problem 19:20:22 and no other kernel in sarge 19:20:38 but i can use hdparm -d1 with 2.6.8 19:20:56 oh, then you perhaps have a different issue 19:21:01 there is no problem with it 19:21:06 check the kernel config for idedma 19:21:42 before i want to learn is these i trick for magma & emc 19:27:21 03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: support for tkemc/mini help 19:27:58 03rayhenry * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl: overhaul and start of modify and tune. 19:28:05 http://www.rtai.dk/cgi-bin/gratiswiki.pl?DMA_And_Jitter 19:37:07 acemi has quit 19:46:36 rayh_ has joined #emc 19:48:09 rayh has quit 19:48:33 rayh_ is now known as rayh 19:49:16 LawrenceG has quit 19:52:15 03alex_joni * 10emc2/tcl/mini.tcl: fixed helpfile support for mini 19:52:32 03cradek * 10emc2/TODO: make install finished 19:54:54 LawrenceG has joined #emc 19:57:02 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/Makefile: installing helpfiles to the appropiate place 19:58:44 alex_joni: compile one yourself 19:59:02 anonimasu: I'm too lazy for that :) 19:59:21 kidding.. it's a very important machine, can't afford to screw/forget somthing 20:05:05 acemi has joined #emc 20:11:32 alex_joni: why are you running linux on it? 20:12:19 03cradek * 10emc2/TODO: new idea 20:15:00 * anonimasu would run bsd 20:16:10 anonimasu: basicly because I've been running linux for the last 5 years without any problems on it 20:17:07 hm, ok 20:17:13 brb 20:17:34 cradek: new idea !? 20:17:57 "A failed emc run should collect data and give the option of sending it to the developers." 20:18:14 haha new to us 20:19:09 heh 20:19:49 k4ts has joined #emc 20:20:04 hello 20:21:37 you'll hate that feature in the end 20:34:16 asdfqwega has joined #emc 20:34:38 Boo! 20:37:47 Buu 20:38:03 where you've been ?? 20:38:06 :) 20:52:50 ...and you are? 20:53:06 yes, I am 20:53:23 Im always here 20:54:15 mhh .. you may recall some other nickname :P 20:56:52 my nick was Jacky^ ! 20:57:01 a bit better of yours 20:57:04 :D 21:03:56 rayh is now known as rayh-away 21:04:33 les_w has quit 21:10:25 * asdfqwega is burning computers for firewood 21:10:38 uh ? 21:10:47 too cold ? 21:11:10 snow due later...but more like 'too many' 21:20:39 03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: for tkemc's help file 21:20:39 jmkasunich has quit 21:26:29 rcsu has joined #emc 21:26:43 03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: updated docsdir 21:28:26 jmkasunich has joined #emc 21:31:39 habl has joined #emc 21:32:06 anybody ou there? 21:35:16 habl: yes and no 21:35:22 yes 21:35:25 :) 21:35:46 this is an automatic reply to notify you that everybody is away 21:35:53 so, is there a live-cd version of the EMC software 21:35:54 ? 21:36:03 some :) 21:36:40 habl: recent or older? 21:36:55 there is an older moprhix based Live version running emc1 21:37:05