00:00:07 (how are you creating them) 00:01:05 emacs :D 00:01:34 emacs? apple? 00:01:39 yeah :) 00:02:14 really - would you mind explaining? (you don't have to) 00:02:17 oh .. youre not identified to the server ? :/ 00:02:30 why ? 00:03:05 yes, I used some gcode file a friend gave me 00:03:17 no I am not. I can see what you are typing but can't respond 00:03:27 oh.. ok 00:04:16 I seen some job you done in frappr photos 00:04:26 its nice :) 00:05:02 the ball? that was done with lermans interp and a little right angle trig ;) 00:05:07 yeah 00:05:41 one of these days I will make finish one so that the ball is trapped 00:05:51 cool 00:06:02 its very nice 00:06:27 It was our first full 3 axis machine - had to play a litte ;) 00:07:18 I'm thinking to add a tilt to Z axis of mine cnc 00:07:29 but its a toy .. 00:07:44 I dont wnat to spend much time on it 00:08:16 we need to get a rotory axis on ours to play. 00:08:18 night 00:08:24 k4ts has quit 00:08:46 that software looks neet 00:08:53 could be funny :) 00:11:40 btw, my first machine gave me a lots of satisfactions, im going to write a small doc about it to help peoples who do not have to much money to start with an expensive machine 00:12:31 to be honest, it was really funny 00:14:07 I guessing you mean 'really fun'. as in it was a good time? 00:14:47 yeah, too 00:15:17 I forced it a bit .. 00:16:00 starting with a dremel and changing it with 1kw router 00:16:27 all depend on what peoples want to do 00:16:38 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/ (configure configure.in): checking for sudo, also allows overrides like this: --with-sudo=/usr/bin/gksudo 00:16:47 I just think computer controlled multi axis machine is fun - we might just be odd 00:18:19 03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: changed sudo with found by configure 00:20:17 http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/control 00:20:24 oops 00:20:29 :) 00:20:39 done that before ;) 00:27:37 haha, three people immediately loaded that url 00:30:49 lol.. it's yummy 00:30:50 :D 00:32:14 cradek: im too :(ААА 00:32:27 did you logged my IP ? O:O 00:32:37 probably 00:32:43 aarrggh 00:32:46 :( 00:33:06 I admit I did it also ;) 00:33:27 oh.. ok, at least im not the only one 00:34:11 81.211.255.209 - - [28/Jan/2006:18:20:47 -0600] "GET /cradek-files/emc/control HTTP/1.1" 200 634 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20060110 Debian/1.5.dfsg-4 Firefox/1.5" 00:35:10 ERC Version 3.0 $Revision: 00:35:11 1.477 $ (IRC client for Emacs) 00:35:17 :D 00:35:24 a bit of spam :P 00:36:36 cradek: what is apache ? 00:36:44 I like Boa 00:37:07 for embedded systems.. its incredible, fassst 00:37:25 and neat 00:44:36 Jymmm has joined #emc 00:59:38 hey Jymmm 00:59:45 hi 01:00:04 is cold there ? 01:00:49 http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KSJC.html 01:01:13 oh 01:01:17 lax :) 01:01:32 Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow 01:01:32 Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm 01:01:34 oh.. no 01:01:53 Humid 01:01:59 but not cold 01:02:19 I was expecting the snow there 01:04:14 latest photo I did: 5 min ago http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/chelin.jpg 01:04:41 damn kats.. eat eat .. E. 5 at day 01:04:45 :/ 01:15:19 Jacky^ : http://www.ooze.com/ooze13/cats.html 01:16:03 aaarrrghh 01:16:11 no :(АА 01:26:48 alex_joni_ has joined #emc 01:40:46 alex_joni_ has quit 01:44:40 night all 01:44:47 see ya 01:45:07 night alex_joni 01:45:38 im going to 01:45:43 see ya 01:45:46 night 01:46:01 Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk 02:24:09 jepler_ has joined #emc 02:31:46 jepler has quit 03:28:57 skunkworks has quit 03:38:44 ChanServ has quit 03:49:16 This nickname is owned by someone else 03:49:16 If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 03:49:16 ChanServ has joined #emc 03:59:15 dmessier has quit 04:01:35 03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: ugh, looks like we need this one too 06:21:33 Jymmm has quit 07:17:51 A-L-P-H-A has quit 07:42:43 A-L-P-H-A has joined #emc 07:44:51 Jymmm has joined #emc 07:55:15 Jymmm has quit 11:01:31 Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^ 11:05:21 some engineer forgot the snow planning a building in Poland .. 11:06:01 as some other forgot the rain planning the Olympic Stadium - Montreal 11:06:58 we are in good hands 11:07:22 morning .. 11:25:32 03alex_joni * 10emc2/docs/AUTHORS: added jepler to the list of authors 11:26:22 03alex_joni * 10emc2/docs/NEWS: added latest bugfix 11:26:52 03alex_joni * 10emc2/debian/changelog: added latest bugfix 11:46:35 03alex_joni * 10emc2/directory.map: fixed typos, added some more information 11:56:11 something's borked in the makefile.. got 187 levels of recursion before i killed it.. 11:57:34 robin_sz has joined #emc 11:57:39 meep? 11:57:46 hi robin_sz :) 11:58:02 eveny 11:58:07 er, i was doing make tgz btw 11:58:16 seen the latest news from Poland ? 11:58:17 * fenn talks to nobody in particular 11:58:34 robin_sz: the engineer forgot the snow .. 11:58:40 oopsy 11:58:49 he sayd: damn it ! the snow .. I forgot it :/ 11:59:13 I presume this is yet another flat building? 11:59:41 it seems square on the top 12:00:05 have you noticed how swiss chalets have very sloping roofs? 12:00:26 nope 12:00:33 they do 12:00:42 prevents snow build up 12:01:55 hello 12:01:58 hi robin 12:02:01 hi alex_joni 12:02:05 gday 12:02:26 * robin_sz prepares to do a debian install on his laptop 12:02:39 wow 12:02:50 robin_sz: using sarge installer ? 12:02:55 I hope it leaves my redhat and windows installs alone 12:02:57 yeah 12:03:00 good 12:03:01 net install 12:03:04 yeah 12:03:44 "A catastrophe on this scale has never happened in Poland." ??? poland has been blasted to hell and back more than any other country 12:05:18 the problem is when an engineer plan without knowledge .. 12:05:33 and forgot some important 'thing' 12:05:47 as the rain, snow, wind 12:05:59 later .. 12:06:08 Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^lunch 12:06:32 * fenn wonders when people will learn to use geodesic domes.. 12:07:02 fenn: still ahving problems with make tgz? 12:07:18 I had the same issue, because CVS didn't checkout the latest sourcecode 12:07:25 and a hal/ dir was missing 12:07:36 hal/user_comps 12:08:03 robin_sz: I installed a sarge on a machine lately, works great 12:08:24 robin_sz: use xfce4, I love that.. 12:09:35 ok rebooting ... :) 12:09:40 robin_sz has quit 12:09:41 alex_joni: thanks that was the problem.. needed a -dP 12:09:51 weird symptom 12:10:15 yup 12:10:46 i think it tries to do (cd user_comps; make clean) but then its still in the same directory 12:11:04 yup 12:11:16 well.. at least it cleans up thoroughly 12:11:24 lol 12:11:40 heh maybe it should shred the disk after its done 12:11:54 I think my cron script doesn't do cvs up -dP properly 12:11:55 :( 12:13:07 pserver has been screwy for a long time 12:13:44 hrm.. i forget which method can accept a password 12:13:54 I don't use pserver 12:14:03 maybe its ext then 12:14:11 anyways, I didn't have -dP there ;) 12:14:15 ah 13:12:19 Jacky^lunch is now known as Jacky^ 13:24:26 alex_joni: already tried Ion3 ? 13:24:44 the window manager 13:25:13 I suggest to use it especially in laptop .. 13:25:59 just spending few days to remember keys combinations, youll be happy Forever ! :D 13:26:57 I was using kde in my 10" laptop, I was tired to resize windows and use the mouse .. 13:27:12 my right hand was tired :P 13:27:31 floating workspace is coool, try it 13:28:01 and tell me if you like it 13:29:04 for developers its the best wm 13:30:22 I had same difficult as in emacs starting with it, to remember sequence keys 13:30:39 but after a bit .. :D 13:31:19 right hand stay on keyboard 13:42:22 Jacky^: remember I don't have a mouse on my laptop 13:42:34 so I don't need to worry about moving my right hand 13:42:34 :D 13:43:11 http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/desktop.png 13:44:49 thats an Intelligent window manager ! :P 13:50:01 i'm a ion fanatic 13:50:03 heh 13:57:46 can't see anything inteligent there.. 13:58:21 why you should resize a window ? 14:00:14 because I want sometimes to see how text output looks over a smaller terminal? 14:00:20 or the other way around? 14:02:57 I usually ahev a few windows open 14:03:15 say I have one for editing, and one for compiling, and one for halcmd commands 14:03:27 the compile and the halcmd commands, need to be small usually 14:03:38 and the editing window needs to be as large as possible 14:03:50 but once in a while, there might be a compile problem, 14:03:58 then I need the compile window to be large 14:04:13 but only so long as to read what's wrong 14:05:03 * fenn has 22 windows open on this desktop (out of 4 desktops) 14:05:07 you can always switch to full screnn with a simple meta+key 14:05:15 screen 14:05:54 for the rest, you no need to worry about resize and positioning anything 14:05:59 try it .. 14:06:27 going out with a friend to take a drink :P 14:06:28 can't say I'm a fan of software with a small userbase 14:06:31 later 14:06:36 later 14:06:43 Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk 14:09:01 wish my keyboard had a scroll wheel 14:11:51 right in that little empty space between the enter and up arrow 14:12:02 oh well 14:42:45 add one 14:44:25 thinking about it.. been reading about avr microcontrollers a lot lately 14:44:38 seems that adding a usb scroll wheel and some blinkenlights would be easy 14:51:04 har har 14:51:10 SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos 15:00:11 no? 15:00:34 well at worst i could chop up a mouse 15:06:16 it's probably not that bad, if you find a library for the keyboard serial protocol 15:07:35 you mean mouse protocol? 15:08:56 either 15:09:30 rayh has joined #emc 15:09:35 I misse dthe "usb" in your previous statement though 15:09:38 missed the 15:10:02 you'd want one of the USB microcontrollers for that (AT42xxx, I think) 15:10:27 Hi Ray - just in time for breakfast 15:10:51 oops - AT43xx 15:11:48 ok - bavk in a bit 15:11:51 back 15:11:53 that is 15:11:59 SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away 15:12:00 Hi Steven, guys 15:12:15 morning 15:12:29 You get any snow fenn 15:13:30 no just lots of rain 15:15:15 logger_aj: bookmark 15:15:16 See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-01-29#T15-15-15 15:17:40 Jacky^afk has quit 15:25:33 I'd like some comment on using halconfig. If you've got a working emc2 and time. 15:30:12 cncuser has quit 15:34:09 halconfig says couldn't execute "bin/halcmd": no such file or directory 15:34:14 when i click show all 15:34:55 i've seen it work before though.. 15:35:22 Are you starting halconfig from emc2 15:35:53 from tkemc scripts -> hal_show 15:36:34 That shouldn't be there at all. 15:37:35 It means that you've got a file named emc2/scripts/hal_show.tcl 15:37:47 Is this a recent emc2? 15:38:38 i just updated.. it had a bunch of crap still in there it didnt expect 15:39:00 Jacky^ has joined #emc 15:39:10 er, hal_show isn't halconfig then huh.. 15:40:12 no. I don't remember much about halshow but it was a very early effort. 15:40:47 Is this Debian? 15:41:16 no it's a well-hacked fedora 2 15:43:34 Ah. You have the axis interface running? 15:43:47 or laying around? 15:44:03 sure.. recompiling a fresh checkout of emc2.. hang on 15:45:07 k 15:46:31 You will need to link the bwidget directory from the axis source to /usr/lib/bwidget 15:46:44 or find a bwidget.rpm 15:46:53 eh, what? 15:50:28 bwidget is a tool library extension to tk widgets. 15:55:41 so i need to use axis to be able to use halconfig? (have some axis compilation errors) 15:56:18 acemi has joined #emc 15:56:47 No you just need to find the bwidget tools in the axis source 15:58:36 here it is axis-20051120/thirdparty/bwidget 15:59:12 link or drag that directory into /usr/lib 16:05:37 fenn: What problems are you having building axis? 16:05:39 jepler_ is now known as jepler 16:06:12 fenn: 1.1.1 or snapshots? 16:06:48 hi all 16:07:11 cd axis-20051120/; sudo env EMC2ROOT=/home/blipkowi/emc2/ python setup.py install 16:07:32 extensions/emcmodule.cc:395: error: 'class EMC_STAT' has no member named 'logFile' 16:07:41 and so on for all the member of EMC_STAT 16:08:12 i havent tried anything yet 16:09:09 fenn: The environment variable is EMCROOT even for emc2 16:09:26 fenn: Is that error on line 395 the first error? 16:09:32 same thing with EMCROOT 16:10:32 SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos 16:10:47 jepler: yep, have a look: http://pastebin.com/528851 16:11:28 uf that chopped up the word wrapping pretty bad 16:11:43 have you done a full make clean / make for emc2? 16:12:05 yeah this is a fresh checkout 16:12:10 o 16:12:12 ok 16:12:51 fenn: why axis-20051120? That's pretty old. 16:13:17 fenn: you'd be much better off with axis-1.1.1 16:13:27 right - and the emc status struct has changed since then, I think 16:13:28 hrm i thought i just downloaded axis-latest 16:13:41 it's way past my bedtime but i'm up anyway 16:13:58 these log variables were removed in emc2 16:14:03 we fixed axis on 11/17 16:14:05 right 16:14:11 er, 11/27 16:14:15 http://unpy.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/axis/extensions/emcmodule.cc.diff?r1=1.12;r2=1.13;f=h 16:14:19 axis changed the numbering scheme it seems 16:14:33 so axis-2 (tab complete) went to the wrong directory 16:14:42 oh 16:15:03 just delete that old tree 16:15:39 the "release of the minute" is numbered by patchset (-psNNN) 16:16:58 rayh: fyi axis now installs bwidget in /usr/share/axis/tcl/bwidget/ 16:17:25 Okay. 16:19:07 it looks like there's still no fedora bwidget package even for fedore core 4 16:19:36 too bad, I'd like to stop shipping bwidget with axis but it seems only debian has a package available. 16:20:34 So the quick answer for halconfig is to test for it's existence in /usr/share/axis/tcl/bwidget/ 16:21:11 check for /usr/lib/bwidget (the package version) first, then check /usr/share/axis 16:21:33 so if the user has their own bwidget installed it should use that one, right? 16:22:25 the details are fuzzy but cncuser had some problem on his puppy distribution. It has a version of bwidget installed, but it's not incompatible to the one in axis. 16:22:45 Yep. 16:22:53 er, not compatible 16:23:09 heh - damn, you cut off my sarcastic question ;) 16:23:10 ouch. 16:23:13 I fixed it in axis by using the version number in 'package require' 16:23:25 dan_falck has joined #emc 16:23:34 Hi Dan. 16:23:38 r.tk.call("package", "require", "BWidget", "1.7") 16:23:43 hi ray 16:24:46 adding the directory where AXIS' copy of bwidget would reside, then using 'package require BWidget 1.7' should be safe 16:26:35 jmkasunich has joined #emc 16:28:16 hiya jmk - long time no see 16:28:59 only a week-ish 16:29:17 I've had a cold, so it seems like longer, I guess ;) 16:34:33 rayh: what happens if you do "scripts/realtime start" and then tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl ? 16:35:21 it bombs here 16:35:30 you'll see halconfig with 5 nodes in the tree. 16:35:45 If realtime is not running it asks if you want to do that. 16:35:50 adeos isn't a module on my system so i guess scripts/realtime status fails? 16:36:14 I would issue "sudo tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl" 16:36:14 but it works if you start halconfig with realtime stopped 16:36:38 it works here ... 16:36:44 It should see that no hal is running and ask 16:36:48 I just see nothing in the tree 16:37:31 (except of course a couple of halcmd comps) 16:40:21 interesting - double-click now works for selecting a config in setupconfig 16:40:36 I just started with nothing HAL ish running and got a popup. 16:42:15 wish is hogging 90% of the cpu 16:42:28 roltek has joined #emc 16:43:59 is there an easy way to debug tcl? 16:45:04 odd - wish isn't even on the list in top, unless I do something in halconfig 16:45:39 does halconfig poll halcmd for screen updates? that might make it hog cpu 16:45:48 but it goes back to 0 when I'm done 16:45:58 it does, but on a scale of seconds 16:46:39 it worked before, now there's a blank window that appears until i kill it 16:47:21 but now it's not hogging cpu.. 16:47:47 so, this dovetails nicely (relatively) into a discussion Ray and I had this week - how to make a program that's more efficient for variable watches than halcmd ... 16:48:07 er, nevermind that last comment about it not hogging cpu 16:56:36 since it looks like ray has some more victims to toy with now, i'm going to get some sleep 16:56:44 night 16:56:45 * fenn goes to bed 16:59:01 skunkworks has joined #emc 17:02:22 * rayh reads back 17:04:21 * SWPadnos waits quietly 17:08:58 okay. 17:09:28 not sure what's happening with fenn - things seem sane here 17:09:34 (the computers, at least) 17:09:53 Yea I can't understand his problem either. 17:42:57 Jymmm has joined #emc 17:47:28 dan_falck has quit 17:58:32 jepler: are you here? 17:58:42 jmkasunich: yeah, what's up? 17:58:55 I just ran the revised setupconfig.tcl 17:58:59 very nice! 17:59:02 oh 17:59:04 I noticed something tho 17:59:18 what's that? 17:59:37 when you get to the screen in the "new config" sequence where you enter a name, there are some messages echoed to the shell window 17:59:50 button_entry_change {.main.f1.f2.next >} new_name . . op 17:59:56 oh yeah those are probably just junk 18:00:10 are they going to stderr? 18:00:20 maybe, how can I tell? 18:00:48 I suppose I could redirect stdout to /dev/null and see if they still happen 18:00:52 did you start setupconfig by running emc without an arguemnt? 18:01:17 if they're going to stderr they're harmless, but if they're going to stdout they could cause problems 18:01:20 no, I started it directly from a prompt 18:01:22 right 18:01:41 apparently stderr 18:01:56 I restarted with >/dev/null, and they still appear 18:02:00 are they real errors? 18:02:05 no, those are debug messages for me 18:02:18 for when I was trying to make sure the "Next >" button was greyed out when no new config file name had been entered 18:02:29 so they will go away eventually, good 18:03:07 btw, what do you think about merging the first two screens of the "new" process 18:03:49 "you have chosen" "the next few screens will walk you thru" blank line "enter a name" 18:04:02 sounds fine to me 18:04:53 03jepler * 10emc2/tcl/bin/setupconfig.tcl: remove debugging message 18:05:21 another question 18:05:39 what about the first screen "config/quit/run" 18:06:07 should run simply be added as a choice to the config menu screen 18:06:18 and cancel on that screen be changed to quit? 18:07:19 there are two levels of "main menu" right now, and perhaps it should only be one 18:07:40 the "choose a config and run it" behavior makes sense when the user just runs the emc2 script without an argument 18:07:55 having a "back" or "cancel" from the first screen the user sees is a bit odd 18:09:12 true 18:09:48 when it is invoked from the emc script, it is passed '--get-config', and that causes it to go to the screen that has only cancel/run as options 18:10:15 cancel in that case should exit the program and cause the emc script to exit 18:10:19 yes - one "main menu" 18:10:19