00:00:37 acemi has left #emc 00:31:59 wb9mjn has joined #emc 00:35:38 fenn has joined #emc 00:36:54 why is a skype phone in the topic? 00:37:08 wb9mjn has quit 00:37:30 wb9mjn has joined #emc 00:37:48 good question 00:43:40 anyone else having problems with the wiki? its not saving my preferences (so i cant edit) with konqueror, but fireforx works.. 00:44:30 does konq not work even during the same run (ie, if you haven't restarted it)? 00:44:42 SWPadnos has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home: www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developers' meetings every Sunday 14:00-18:00 GMT | wiki up @ http://wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller 00:44:42 ChanServ has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home: www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developers' meetings every Sunday 14:00-18:00 GMT | wiki up @ http://wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller | Skype WiFi PHone http://tools.netgear.com/skype/ 00:44:58 heh - if only I could set myself as an op :) 00:45:17 .op SWPadnos 00:45:19 :D 00:45:27 heh 00:45:31 .do not work :( 00:45:43 requires operator status ;) 00:45:45 we could try a dos attack 00:45:50 :p 00:46:42 aniway its a nice thing, but probably ot 00:47:06 * fenn hates phones 00:47:11 * fenn hisses 00:47:16 hmmm - one sec 00:47:20 SWPadnos has left #emc 00:47:26 SWPadnos has joined #emc 00:47:29 fenn: I bought the skydapter in december 00:47:38 have to try it yet :( 00:47:40 oops. I screwed that one up 00:48:11 but.. in italy we have the highest prices of the world* 00:48:16 for phone 00:48:27 the record 00:48:30 guiness 00:48:33 :) 00:49:26 I hate monopolies 00:52:31 Geraldo has joined #emc 00:52:42 Geraldo has left #emc 00:52:55 so much for investigative reporting 00:54:21 Geraldo has joined #emc 00:54:33 hi Geraldo 00:55:38 Geraldo has left #emc 00:57:04 ok somehow cookies got turned off in konqueror.. weird 00:57:09 may he have some keyboard issue 01:06:12 id like to try links2 01:06:34 in graphical mode 01:11:38 but.. (!) DirectFB/Core: Could not initialize 'system' core! --> Not supported! svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions. 01:12:23 I have to check latest ati driver in xorg 01:12:30 tomorrow .. 01:12:34 G night 01:15:11 night 01:15:16 k4ts has quit 01:15:52 Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk 01:19:32 Ephexis has joined #EMC 03:14:06 petev has joined #emc 03:56:51 petev has quit 04:56:35 petev has joined #emc 05:20:23 petev has quit 05:49:01 Jymmm has joined #emc 07:08:04 LawrenceG has quit 07:10:43 LawrenceG has joined #emc 07:12:01 Hi LawrenceG 08:52:51 Jymmm has quit 08:53:04 morning 08:57:37 alex_joni has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - 08:57:38 Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home: 08:57:38 www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developers' meetings every Sunday 08:57:38 14:00-18:00 GMT | wiki up @ http://wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: 08:57:46 http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller 08:57:53 darn irssi 08:58:39 alex_joni has changed the topic to: "Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home:www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developers' meetings every Sunday 14:00-18:00 GMT | wiki up @ http://wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller" 12:04:28 Jymmm has joined #emc 12:15:14 Hi Lymmm ... 12:37:22 mornin 12:42:12 Jymmm has quit 12:56:58 Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^ 13:22:35 alex_joni: 09:57 <@alex_joni> darn irssi 13:22:41 what happen ? 13:23:27 :) 13:42:40 roltek has joined #emc 13:48:20 roltek has left #emc 13:50:44 roltek has joined #emc 13:51:39 roltek has left #emc 13:52:32 roltek has joined #emc 13:54:10 roltek has quit 14:07:43 roltek has joined #emc 14:07:53 roltek has left #emc 15:04:54 Jacky^: tried to change the topic 15:04:57 and it backfired :D 15:35:01 acemi has joined #emc 16:01:47 dmessier has left #emc 16:05:56 alex_joni: don't you have nightly emc2 snapshots somewhere? 16:06:18 hi jepler 16:06:22 hi chris 16:06:23 do you understand udev? 16:06:27 cradek: no 16:07:22 *sigh* 16:07:47 I thought you had the rtai vs udev problems solved 16:08:08 well I have a hack that works but requires sudo because I can't figure out how to get the permissions I want on /dev/rtai_shm. 16:09:53 the hack is the lines appended to /etc/udev/links.conf 16:09:54 ? 16:09:57 yes 16:10:16 but those are created with --mode=600 and you can't specify otherwise 16:10:43 I can't even figure out if udev creates /dev entries when modules are inserted, or if it does something else. 16:11:15 KERNEL="ts*", NAME="input/%k" 16:11:19 Match a device identified by a KERNEL name starting with the letters "ts" optionally followed by anything at all, and name it with the KERNEL name (%k) under the input directory. 16:11:20 udev gets invoked when devices are created by the kernel 16:11:33 what is a KERNEL name? 16:11:46 it could be because a device is attached (usb, pcmcia) or a module is inserted 16:11:56 + cldev = class_device_create(xnpipe_class, MKDEV(XNPIPE_DEV_MAJOR, i), 16:11:57 + NULL, "rtp%d", i); 16:12:17 so when we insert a dozen modules by hand, it doesn't trigger any of these events? 16:12:21 does your rtai have lines like the ones added in this patch? https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2005-September/012983.html 16:13:40 can't seem to load that page... 16:13:43 still trying 16:15:04 this version has devfs_mk_cdev(... "rtf/%u" ...) 16:15:12 devfs is old and busted 16:15:16 just like gnome-terminal 16:15:21 SWPadnos has quit 16:15:26 http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/012983.html 16:17:29 this version (the very latest) doesn't have any call to class_device_create, nor does it have a file called pipe.c 16:18:22 HAL:48: ERROR: pin 'iocontrol.0.user-enable-out' not found 16:18:30 hm, I tried to run the emc from your deb and got this when I selected sim 16:18:38 do it again 16:18:44 I think that's the thing that happens sometimes 16:18:48 oh 16:19:04 I suppose there should be a bug report 16:19:26 rayh has joined #emc 16:21:58 morning ray 16:22:07 jepler: does it work the second time? 16:23:55 cradek: it worked the third time 16:23:57 recv(5, "add@/module/adeos\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/adeos\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1600\0", 1536, 0) = 80 16:24:00 recv(5, "add@/module/rtai_hal\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/rtai_hal\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1601\0", 1536, 0) = 86 16:24:03 recv(5, "add@/module/rtai_up\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/rtai_up\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1602\0", 1536, 0) = 84 16:24:06 recv(5, "add@/module/rtai_fifos\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/rtai_fifos\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1603\0", 1536, 0) = 90 16:24:10 recv(5, "add@/module/latency_rt\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/latency_rt\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1604\0", 1536, 0) = 90 16:24:13 udev does see some events when I start the kern/latency rtai test 16:25:07 cool, maybe those devfs calls do something 16:26:06 recv(5, "add@/class/misc/RTAI_SHM\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/class/misc/RTAI_SHM\0SUBSYSTEM=misc\0SEQNUM=1641\0MAJOR=10\0MINOR=254\0", 1536, 0) = 111 16:29:10 SWPadnos has joined #emc 16:30:07 SWPadnos_ has joined #emc 16:30:18 SWPadnos_ has left #emc 16:37:55 oh, duh 16:38:01 udev creates /dev/RTAI_SHM 16:39:14 Hi guys 16:39:18 hi 16:39:25 hiya 16:40:27 so maybe you want KERNEL="RTAI_SHM" SYMLINK="rtai_shm" to match the name expected by emc? 16:41:05 and another line with MODE= and/or GROUP= 16:41:38 aha! 16:42:13 I can put that in a file /etc/udev/rules.d/emc2.rules 16:42:29 KERNEL=="RTAI_SHM" SYMLINK=="rtai_shm" MODE="0666" 16:42:57 I'll put it in the deb 16:49:11 is MODE not a problem for /dev/rtf/? 16:49:22 I don't think we use those 16:49:32 oh 16:49:39 the latency test does, but requiring sudo on it is no problem 16:51:55 rebuilding debs... 16:57:29 robin_sz has joined #emc 17:06:44 jepler: debs are in place - please remove that stuff from /etc/udev/links.conf before you update 17:11:42 cradek: OK, but I rebooted into fedora for the moment 17:11:59 skunkworks has joined #emc 17:12:16 jepler: hmm, the deb is broken anyway (because of emc2-wizard.gif) 17:19:15 meep? 17:19:40 hi robin 17:19:56 gday 17:24:19 hi 17:25:25 someone needs to add a space after http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller again 17:32:35 Hi Skunk...I will probably be through town there on the week of the 7 th... 17:36:03 Have motors coming for for the Z drive...Think I will go with the big one, even though its going to mean more mounting work...whole new plate... 17:36:50 But, it allows a 3:1 drive, which is more practical...made the 30 tooth puley this morning...had to ream out to .5 inches, and turn down a length 17:37:26 for a shaft clamp...rather than set screw, as there was not enough meat left for the screw...pulley is .744 OD ... 17:38:04 The clamp can fit down inside the plate and stick up just enough for the belt guide height... 17:40:12 should be able to drop the stall current down by almost an amp from the original design.... 17:41:10 Along with the bigger motor, should not burn up even without a counter weight/spring... 17:52:39 dealership is still woking with you? 18:24:09 03rayhenry * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl: Streamline look and add tree stuff under view menu. 18:33:34 meep? 18:35:37 meep 18:35:44 03cradek * 10emc2/ (4 files in 3 dirs): minor tweaks for deb packaging/make install 18:37:15 03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: 18:37:15 will this work around the problem where emc sometimes gives a hal error 18:37:15 and fails to load? 18:52:10 wonder if that's a wait command in there ;) 18:54:14 rayh has quit 18:58:47 hello.. anyone around? 19:01:19 echo - echo - echo 19:02:41 hi sam 19:02:54 care to see my new control thingie? 19:03:05 it's for an XY sherline slide ;) 19:03:09 sure 19:03:14 http://www.robcon.ro/emc/control1.jpg 19:03:23 http://www.robcon.ro/emc/control2.jpg 19:04:43 nice - stepper or servos gecko drives? 19:05:01 lerman has joined #emc 19:05:31 stepper 19:05:33 G201 19:06:32 Is this something you have? sherline mill? Or making it for someone? very clean 19:08:33 it's something I hacked together quickly 19:08:41 I have a XY slide from sherline 19:08:56 no mill or anything, still deciding if I should do a plotter or not ;) 19:10:02 what kind of movement? 19:10:27 how do you mean that? 19:11:02 how much movement x/y - 6X4 or so? 19:11:59 did I ever show you this? http://www.electronicsam.com/video/MVC-341W.MPG 19:12:31 well.. 200x100 mm or so 19:14:24 7.8X3.937 inches ;) That would be neet to play with on a small drill press 19:15:32 nice video ;) 19:15:33 kinda short 19:15:42 http://www.electronicsam.com/video/ 19:16:07 there are a bunch - all pretty much the same ;) thanks 19:16:16 seen my movies? 19:16:26 http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/mytoy/ 19:16:34 seen a few - love to see more 19:18:36 unlinkely to produce more than those.. 19:20:40 That thing is quite interesting 19:21:49 did you have it so it would tighten up the cables at startup? 19:25:17 no, they would stay pretty tight even when switched off 19:29:05 SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away 19:29:17 Jacky^ has quit 19:29:24 Jacky^ has joined #emc 19:34:55 alex_joni: 19:35:39 the end of doc on the wiki http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Emc_Puppy says: 19:35:46 Published under a Creative Commons License 19:35:57 wich Creative Commons license ? 19:39:15 oh.. maybe youre not the owner of the wiki 19:39:41 but it seems wrong to me do not specify which CC it use :/ 19:39:59 there are 6 CC license 19:40:43 its not clean 19:44:41 and so on for many others doc in emc :( 19:46:33 I seen someone in Roboitalia community do not using any license for his docs, just sayd me, ask to me for permission to modify it .. O_O 19:46:42 is the peoples so confused ? 19:46:47 are 19:47:54 can a doc without any license assumed as 'public domain' ? 19:57:33 any written text is copyrightet by the writer 19:57:48 mmm 19:57:51 if he wants to release it as open it's his choice 19:58:10 in that case how is ? 19:59:00 Creative commons have 6 licenses, where some is nice 20:00:54 I can also can agree with someone who want to use absolute (c) 20:01:13 but isnt clean .. there 20:03:13 03cradek * 10emc2/debian/postinst: part of the udev support 20:42:48 jepler: did you get vim on ubuntu to work right? Mine won't fontify or remember my position in files 20:50:35 03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: alex says this'll actually fix it 21:05:33 cradek: maybe there a vim-full package or something like that? that's the way it was on fedora. I think I haven't been getting syntax highlighting, dunno about position remembering. 21:05:39 make sure .viminfo is not owned by root... 21:05:57 doh, it is 21:06:20 that does fix positioning 21:06:31 thanks 21:12:13 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/control.c: hopefully a fix for bug #1205237, in free mode joints were analyzed which aren't actually there 21:30:51 * Jacky^ want a 3d scanner !! 21:36:17 now 21:39:17 * alex_joni suggest moving a normal scanner up/down 21:42:10 damn it, theres no progress in homemade projects 21:45:09 alex_joni: I want it http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/mich.html 21:53:56 thi is interesting too : http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/forma-urbis/forma-urbis.html 21:54:11 there's a lot of work to do 22:04:19 03cradek * 10emc2/debian/rules: this makes it easy to add little stuff like desktop icons to the deb. 22:11:01 acemi has left #emc 22:14:13 Jymmm has joined #emc 22:14:43 hi Jymmm 22:14:47 hi 22:15:07 howdi ? 22:15:45 logger_aj has joined #emc 22:15:45 topic is: "Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home:www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developers' meetings every Sunday 14:00-18:00 GMT | wiki up @ http://wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller" 22:15:45 Users on #emc: logger_aj Jymmm Jacky^ lerman skunkworks robin_sz SWP_Away LawrenceG Ephexis wb9mjn fenn cncuser picnet djb_rh bill2or3 CIA-17 ccjoe A-L-P-H-A alex_joni jepler bill20r3 thalx cradek jtr_ robin steves_logging ValarQ websys @ChanServ 22:15:51 looking for a 3D scanner 22:15:56 a monster 22:15:59 any idea ? 22:17:16 ive 3-4k models to scan and machine 22:21:30 dmessier has joined #emc 22:22:36 hello alll jan 29 and +7-9 degrees in toronto area 22:22:43 nicee 22:22:46 hi dmessier 22:22:57 whats this i heard about global warming 22:22:58 we got snow everywhere too 22:23:11 we hav NO snow 22:23:11 why ? 22:23:21 uhm 22:23:29 its the wind .. 22:23:32 :) 22:23:46 dont worry about it 22:23:50 the ground ist even frozen 22:24:10 are you member of greenpeace ? 22:24:35 the water table in the region is about 1 M below normal 22:24:49 dmessier: no problem 22:24:54 in a native canadian... 22:25:04 im 22:25:06 ucraine cut gas in italy 22:25:20 were burning wood .. 22:25:25 dont worry 22:25:27 :) 22:25:39 italy gets gas from the ukraine??? 22:25:44 sure 22:26:00 italy hane no nuclear gas 22:26:05 have* 22:26:10 i see.. or ci if you'd rather 22:26:35 nuclear??? is different 22:26:44 nuclear centrale 22:26:50 how you call it ? 22:26:51 oil you mean right 22:26:56 yeah 22:27:27 not reactor type of nuclear?? 22:27:36 nope 22:27:57 we have TAR sands in canadas north 22:28:16 sand soaked with oil in the cold 22:28:18 http://www.beppegrillo.it/eng/2006/01/clean_energy_dirty_information.html#comments 22:28:30 italy did a referendum years ago 22:28:36 no nuclears won 22:29:28 canada's CANDU reactors are amongst the safest on the planet 22:30:07 but there was rumour they would not build any new ones 22:30:14 we believe in alternative energy 22:30:37 us too.. we have MANY wind farms going up 22:30:43 but our goverment dont want it .. 22:31:04 why not? 22:31:21 its a business question 22:31:35 you know who is our first minister berlusconi ? 22:32:04 he like to do affairs with bush 22:32:11 thats why 22:33:00 http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2006/01_Gennaio/28/maltempo.shtml 22:33:24 oh i see... we "recognize bush"... but thats about it 22:36:14 he is trying to finish daddy's dream 22:37:15 dunno .. 22:39:18 i've another idea about the progress 22:40:46 what progress??? 22:42:47 progress 22:42:57 f we want to continue believing in progress, we need to progress the idea of progress. 22:45:24 progress=neat air no smog 22:46:36 if planet is suffering someone somewhere have some responsability 22:47:54 that why there are no seasons 22:48:30 and you are +7-9 degrees in toronto 22:49:26 celscius or Fahrenheit ? :P 22:49:30 celsius 22:50:47 c 22:51:02 I've an aunt there 22:51:14 and many cousin :( 22:51:39 in Hamilton 22:51:57 nice place 22:52:32 latest time ive seen him was in 1979 :(( 22:52:59 jack and michael 22:53:05 hamilton is neat place 22:53:07 I prefer jack :O 22:53:29 my mother was been some year ago 22:53:35 ive seen some photos 22:53:45 very nice place 22:54:19 used to be a dirty steel mill town 22:54:38 dunno 22:54:58 I just know its a cold place 22:55:04 very cold 22:55:27 not today it isnt 22:55:42 sure, the snow is here :( 22:56:07 think a place as geneva, near the sea, under the snow 22:56:38 really?? 22:56:42 eu got the lowest temperature of latest 70 years .. 22:56:49 yeah 22:57:21 never seen a winter so cold 22:57:29 in my life 22:57:43 hmm more confirmation for my global shift theory 23:00:21 * Jacky^ listen mozart :P 23:02:19 geneva is not near the sea 23:02:30 is on the sea ! 23:02:33 hi robin_sz 23:02:38 it is not ... 23:02:49 trust me, I work there, I would have noticed 23:02:57 uhm 23:03:13 oh theres the lake ... 23:03:17 theres the biggest acquarium of italy there 23:03:26 where was Colombo .. 23:03:29 O_O 23:03:42 Cristoforo Colombo 23:04:10 http://images.google.it/images?svnum=10&hl=it&lr=&safe=off&q=genova&btnG=Cerca 23:04:19 we often have snow in geneve, noting new 23:04:30 infact, its a lot warmer now than it used to be ... 23:04:35 is there geneve in the UK ? 23:04:39 ouch 23:04:44 no, in switzerland 23:04:46 I wasnt know it 23:04:58 ok, our is 'Genova' 23:05:17 N-W italy 23:05:30 there is a geneva in italy as well as .ch? 23:06:01 robin_sz: I just tried to translate 'Genova? in Geneve 23:06:22 I should be correct 23:06:23 yeah 23:06:30 you confused me "think a place as geneva, near the sea, under the snow" 23:06:41 we know your place as Genoa I think 23:06:54 oh.. ok 23:07:18 also Milan is under the snow 23:07:22 still no snow in the UK though 23:07:33 thats not a 'normal' condition 23:07:47 too much cold 23:07:58 its pretty normal these days not to ahve any snow in winter in the UK 23:08:08 used to have lots 30 years ago 23:08:18 getting warmer :( 23:08:28 we too 23:08:33 http://www.meteo.fr/temps/france/nivose/niv74.html 23:08:38 cold, but little snow 23:10:06 strange weather 23:10:35 wow ... 23:10:38 http://www.chamonet.com/webcams/jpg/chamonix-panoramic-cam.jpg 23:10:47 plenty of snow in chmaonix 23:10:52 chamonix 23:11:03 nice 23:11:54