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02:12:43 <jepler> alex_joni: I thought you were gone for the day
02:35:55 <Jymmm> jepler day yes, night no.
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15:13:48 <les_w> morning
15:16:16 <websys> nobody here but us chickens
15:16:22 <les_w> haha
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15:23:46 <alex_joni> morning chickens
15:24:02 <rayh> Hey!
15:24:57 <alex_joni> rayh: wasn't meaning you :)
15:25:04 <alex_joni> 17:15 < les_w> morning
15:25:04 <alex_joni> 17:18 < websys> nobody here but us chickens
15:25:04 <alex_joni> 17:18 < les_w> haha
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15:25:05 <alex_joni> 17:25 < alex_joni> morning chickens
15:27:37 <rayh> Is the the time for "puck puck?"
15:27:40 <websys> cluck cluck
15:27:52 <jepler_> the the time?
15:28:07 <rayh> How you doing, Bob.
15:28:29 <websys> Very well thank you
15:28:34 <rayh> Gotta get out of the north country and visit you soon?
15:29:06 <websys> Anytime - gonna visit Todd in the future?
15:29:14 <rayh> Yep.
15:29:53 <alex_joni> hi jeff
15:33:32 <jepler_> hi alex
15:34:22 <les_w> friend just bought a 20 watt yag hi speed marking system. He was asking me how he could get some business.
15:34:42 <les_w> 20 watts is a smaller unit
15:35:32 <les_w> So they would basically have to sell setup/artwork
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15:36:19 <rayh> Guy up here is using 25 watt to cut veneer into model aircraft parts.
15:36:41 <les_w> hmm
15:36:47 <les_w> machanical cnc?
15:37:07 <alex_joni> jepler_: changed your nick on purpose?
15:37:56 <les_w> this laser uses mirrors and goes about 1500 mm/sec
15:38:01 <les_w> over a small area
15:38:32 <rayh> Yep.  <les_w> machanical cnc?
15:38:48 <les_w> mechanical heh
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15:38:56 <les_w> moving axes...
15:39:03 <jepler> alex_joni: no.  my system crashed last night.  I didn't notice I came back with an underscore.
15:39:10 <rayh> Table slides under the tube.
15:39:12 <alex_joni> ok
15:39:22 <les_w> ah ok
15:39:43 <les_w> the work and head stay stationary in this rig
15:40:03 <les_w> prob an old cellphone keyboard production machine
15:40:11 <rayh> Right.
15:40:48 <les_w> Newer machines are a lot more power, and of course in China.
15:42:16 <les_w> Have to find a niche for him. Jewelry security? machine tool bits?
15:44:06 <rayh> Wonder what the smallest font/resolution is?
15:44:50 <les_w> He sent the manual. Seems really small. microscopic I guess
15:45:27 <les_w> you know like the numbers engraved on the girdle of diamonds
15:45:30 <les_w> let me check
15:48:02 <les_w> wow. 1000 1mm characters per second
15:48:37 <les_w> at max distance speed is not 1500 but 10,000 mm/sec
15:49:03 <les_w> would not engrave many materials at that speed though
15:50:04 <rayh> Credibility and a huge bond would be an issue with the jewelery marking. 
15:52:24 <rayh> Does anyone else have problems with emc2 cleaning up after a run?
15:52:36 <alex_joni> rayh: what's left behind?
15:53:29 <rayh> The blocks module doesn't want to unload.
15:53:32 <les_w> Yeah I was thinking bond too
15:53:52 <alex_joni> rayh: how was the blocks mudule loaded?
15:53:55 <rayh> and shipping both ways by armored truck
15:54:30 <rayh> It runs as a part of univstep but in this case I unloaded and reloaded it.
15:54:34 <les_w> well shipping I figured would be out. They are in chicago though. Lots of local possibilities
15:55:06 <rayh> Ah.  I know a couple of EMC users in the "jewelery building."
15:55:38 <alex_joni> rayh: unloaded/reloaded as root?
15:55:42 <alex_joni> or using sudo?
15:55:56 <rayh> using sudo through halconfig.tcl
15:56:03 <alex_joni> ahh.. ok..
15:56:05 <alex_joni> not sure :(
15:56:08 <alex_joni> * alex_joni heads home
15:57:56 <skunkworks> les?
15:58:07 <skunkworks> where you looking for hosting yesterday?  http://www.hasweb.com/experience/hasweb_hostingplans.html
15:58:47 <skunkworks> I have had very good luck with them - 48 a year and 35gb bandwidth - 2gb space
15:59:02 <skunkworks> it is a division of hostdime
15:59:23 <les_w> Jymmm was just showing me some other hosting
15:59:30 <les_w> My site got hijacked
15:59:37 <skunkworks> yeck
15:59:41 <les_w> but it was not the host's fault
15:59:50 <skunkworks> too easy of a password?
15:59:54 <les_w> someone just got my password I guess
16:00:05 <les_w> no the password was hard
16:00:10 <les_w> had to be hacked
16:00:12 <skunkworks> odd
16:00:40 <rayh> or spyware on a box that accessed it.
16:00:47 <skunkworks> right
16:01:00 <les_w> well I cleaned up the code and changed passwords.
16:01:14 <les_w> There were 3 extra lines in my index html.
16:01:28 <les_w> redirecting to a virus site.
16:01:43 <les_w> might happen again...dunno
16:01:54 <skunkworks> first thought phisher but normally they are not looking for site passwords (just paypal, ebay, bank)
16:02:04 <les_w> yeah
16:02:42 <les_w> My guess is it got out in my non secure ftp transfers
16:03:00 <skunkworks> most likely then
16:03:18 <skunkworks> somebody was sniffing
16:03:37 <les_w> yeah. I'll have to read up on sftp
16:04:40 <jepler> les_w: are you on unix and comfortable with commandline ftp programs?  If so, you may want to use 'lftp'.  'lftp fish://somehost' will connect with ssh, but act just like an ftp client.
16:04:50 <jepler> les_w: (no, I don't know why it's called 'fish')
16:05:04 <jepler> les_w: in windows, winscp3 is free and lets you drag & drop files over ssh
16:05:29 <les_w> winders box using cuteftp, but I could be on linux or something.
16:09:19 <jepler> les_w: try out winscp
16:09:19 <jepler> les_w: http://winscp.net/eng/index.php
16:09:19 <les_w> thanks...looking
16:17:29 <les_w> looks good...just found that cuteftp has SSH and stuff too
16:17:29 <les_w> I'l have to see if host handles that stuff
16:17:29 <les_w> hmm ipowerweb added some more features...10 gig, 2500 emails, free domain
16:17:29 <les_w> I think more bandwidth too
16:17:29 <les_w> yeah up to 250 gig/mo
16:17:29 <les_w> and they do have SSL....I'm just not using it
16:17:30 <les_w> better start , huh?
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17:08:30 <Jymm> les_w: You any good with Great Circle stuff?
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17:09:14 <les_w> sorry was working
17:09:36 <Jymm> The nerve!  lol
17:09:56 <les_w> I have some familiarity with great circle....but don't navigate quite that far in small aircraft
17:10:21 <les_w> we use gps and vor
17:10:21 <Jymm> les_w Well, not so much for flying as much as cartography
17:10:34 <les_w> oh
17:10:51 <les_w> well, what about it?
17:11:14 <Jymm> les_w ok... flat earth map...  I'm trying to figure out an est distance in miles per degree
17:11:37 <Jymm> 180deg horizontal, 260 deg vertical
17:11:42 <Jymm> 360
17:12:19 <les_w> one minute lattitude is one nautical mile
17:13:12 <les_w> which is 1.15 statute mile
17:13:27 <Jymm> Vensu De milo?
17:13:45 <Jymm> oooops, wrong statue =)
17:13:54 <les_w> yeah that ststute
17:13:59 <les_w> haha
17:14:09 <Jymm> ah, Bud Light (if you've seen the resent commercial that is)
17:14:17 <les_w> statute
17:14:53 <les_w> Well when I learned to fly we used ruler scales on paper maps
17:15:04 <les_w> now just flight plan software
17:15:30 <les_w> sure is easier for calculating fuel etc
17:15:30 <Jymm> Yeah, I'm just trying to estimate on a flat earth =)
17:15:47 <Jymm> let me see if I can find a image online 
17:15:54 <les_w> k
17:16:43 <Jymm> This will work... http://thumb.shutterstock.com/photos/display_pic_with_logo/1679/1679,1109224715,5.jpg
17:17:04 <Jymm> LAT/LON 0,0 being the center of that of course
17:17:17 <Jymm> even though that's a lie
17:18:01 <Jymm> no, that be right. I'm still alseep
17:18:12 <les_w> here is a typical flight plan software
17:18:15 <les_w> http://gc.kls2.com/
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17:20:28 <Sed_> whats the best software out for genorating g-code from a cad drawing?
17:21:29 <les_w> Sed_ how much money do you have?
17:22:14 <bill20r3> sed, that's the big question, and I haven't found an answer yet.
17:22:17 <Sed_> money is not a issue, if it were for me then it would be...
17:22:21 <les_w> programs range from free to tens of thousands of dollars
17:22:28 <les_w> hobby use?
17:22:34 <Sed_> thousands would be cool
17:22:38 <Sed_> no professional
17:22:57 <les_w> well, Mastercam is the statndard
17:23:06 <les_w> standard
17:23:17 <les_w> I happen to not like it much
17:23:28 <Sed_> I am totaly unqualified to buy this crap, which is being orderd by people who are unqualivied to say we need it..
17:23:38 <les_w> car makers use pro engineer or ideas
17:23:39 <Jymm> lol
17:23:41 <Sed_> yea I have heard of mastercam, I gues I cant go wrong if I get that
17:24:16 <Sed_> we build bullshit little parts, hardly anything that takes more than a few tools...
17:24:24 <les_w> yeah for general cnc it prob has the most seats around
17:24:38 <Jymm> There is also all the stuff from Rhino too (if 3D rendering is needed)
17:24:47 <les_w> have a website for your company sed?
17:25:24 <Sed_> www.mosaicoptics.com
17:25:31 <les_w> looking
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17:25:57 <bill20r3> whats the 5th axis on a mill?
17:26:08 <Jymm> b ?
17:26:18 <Jymm> XYZABC iirc
17:26:37 <bill20r3> well, the 4th is rotation, right?
17:26:47 <bill20r3> like, horizontal rotation
17:27:03 <Jymm> * Jymm has nu clue
17:27:07 <Jymm> no
17:27:20 <bill20r3> me either.
17:27:36 <Jymm> * Jymm sinks the boat since we're both screwed =)
17:27:43 <SWP_Away> A is rotation around the X axis, B is rotation around the Y axis, and C is rotation around the Z axis (like the spindle rotation)
17:27:56 <bill20r3> ahh, ok.
17:27:57 <bill20r3> thanks.
17:28:07 <Jymm> SWP_Away : That's a nice desc.
17:28:16 <SWP_Away> thank you, thank you
17:28:28 <les_w> ah ok Sed. Neat. Telescopes. Yeah mastercam, surfcam, or similar would be good
17:28:37 <Jymm> SWP_Away: But dont quit your day job, it wasn't THAT good =)
17:28:45 <SWP_Away> fine.  I'm leaving
17:28:49 <les_w> what cad does your engineering staff use?
17:29:11 <Jymm> les_w (MS-Paint)
17:29:17 <les_w> haha
17:29:33 <Jymm> SWP_Away: awwwwwwwwww
17:29:46 <Jymm> SWP_Away: Stick around, you're good for something =)
17:29:58 <Jymm> 36" mirror?!  damn
17:30:02 <SWP_Away> no, really.  I have to bring the car in for a reapir estimate ;)
17:30:05 <SWP_Away> repair
17:30:22 <Jymm> SWP_Away uh oh, how bad was the accident?
17:30:34 <Sed_> how much does mastercam go for?
17:30:48 <SWP_Away> not bad at all.  The bumper shell is broken, and the foam in the bumper will need to be replaced
17:30:52 <les_w> Anyway Sed, < $1000 usually buys hobby stuff....works but slow
17:31:03 <SWP_Away> nothing else that I can see (and of course, my wife is fine)
17:31:15 <Jymm> SWP_Away: Sounds roughly $2200
17:31:30 <les_w> mastercam and similar are 10,000+ or so depending
17:31:30 <SWP_Away> brand new car - isnt't that fun
17:31:37 <Sed_> I guess MasterCam X Mill is what I want
17:32:02 <Jymm> SWP_Away: Ew, so no parts available yet.
17:32:14 <SWP_Away> a new 2005, so there should be parts
17:32:14 <les_w> ok. It can import from cad programs or you can use it's internal cad
17:32:28 <SWP_Away> anyway - gotta run.  see you later
17:32:40 <les_w> wait...what car?
17:32:48 <SWP_Away> 2005 ccord EX
17:32:51 <SWP_Away> Accord
17:32:59 <les_w> ahhh
17:33:13 <Jymm> Revised estimate: $2640
17:33:21 <SWP_Away> I'll let you know
17:33:23 <Sed_> thanks for the help!!!
17:33:31 <les_w> yw sed
17:33:43 <Jymm> Sed_ did you ever say what cad they're using now?
17:34:25 <Sed_> it was autocad, but the new chick running the show uses somthing else
17:34:41 <Jymm> Solid Works?
17:34:43 <Sed_> yea
17:34:51 <Jymm> That's 3D
17:35:05 <Sed_> yea
17:35:10 <Jymm> Solid Works by itself is about $10K
17:35:20 <Jymm> That excludes CAM
17:35:29 <Sed_> solid works can write g-code?
17:35:32 <Jymm> No
17:35:53 <Sed_> thats what I need, to be able to take a solid works drawing and genorate code
17:36:05 <Jymm> Hmmm, any suggestions Les ?
17:36:49 <Jymm> I am no expert at all, but when I took a peek at SolidCAM, I wasn't impressed at first glance.
17:37:01 <les_w> it can be imported to mastercam
17:37:07 <Jymm> That doens't mean it's good or bad, just that I'm clueless.
17:37:12 <les_w> and most other cam programs
17:37:55 <les_w> let me check
17:38:29 <Jymm> This is one, but all on know about it is what's on this page:   http://www.teksoft.com/products.htm
17:38:52 <Jymm> http://www.teksoft.com/camworks/camworks.htm
17:39:25 <les_w> well solidworks has their own integrated cam for use with solidworks:
17:39:28 <les_w> http://www.solidcam.com/solidworks/default.asp
17:39:40 <les_w> I don't know anything about it
17:39:46 <Jymm> les_w: Yeah, but when *I* looked at it, I thought it was icky
17:40:02 <les_w> I'm sure you can get free evaluation of all this stuff
17:40:03 <Jymm> Not intuitive at all compared to SW
17:40:22 <les_w> Well, I think mastercam is icky
17:40:28 <alex_joni> oh my, seems the nigerian fortunes moved to Zimbabwe
17:40:29 <les_w> but it is the standard
17:40:31 <Jymm> CamWorks seems to have full docs and training included
17:40:46 <Jymm> les_w Well, I think you're icky!
17:40:48 <Jymm> =)
17:41:06 <les_w> haha
17:41:26 <les_w> Sed, get evaluation copies and let her try it.
17:42:24 <Jymm> CAMWorks provides a realistic simulation of the complete  machine tool
17:43:12 <les_w> Yeah there are dozens and dozens of cam programs out there...ends up ease of use is the most important thing
17:43:25 <Jymm> les_w ok, back to my globe issue.
17:43:30 <les_w> ok.
17:43:46 <Jymm> I can't think on minutes, only decimal or whole degrees
17:43:52 <Jymm> s/on/in/
17:44:28 <les_w> .0166 degrees
17:44:41 <Sed_> is CAMWorks less than mastercam?
17:44:47 <Sed_> MasterCam is 3-12k
17:45:11 <Jymm> Sed_ doubtful
17:45:19 <les_w> Not sure....but I'm sure it's not cheap
17:45:55 <Sed_> well I cant go wrong for recomending mastercam, its what she used 15 years ago when she was a machinist..
17:46:50 <Jymm> Sed_ there ya go =)
17:46:57 <Sed_> our old machinest got by with a 50 dollar package called "code shark" and he knew g-code.
17:46:59 <les_w> ahhh....yeah.
17:47:08 <les_w> 3 axis work?
17:47:19 <Sed_> no one ever got fired for buying Dell or IBM...
17:47:25 <les_w> right
17:47:36 <Jymm> I'd fire ya for buying Dell =)
17:47:42 <les_w> hahaha
17:47:44 <Sed_> heh
17:48:06 <Sed_> I actualy come from IT, I build servers and all I buy is IBM
17:48:07 <Jymm> * Jymm <--- SysAdmin bkgnd
17:48:13 <Sed_> heh
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17:48:21 <Sed_> Jymm what os?
17:48:48 <Jymmm> Sed_ About 25yrs of M$, and about 5 of nix
17:48:54 <les_w> Sed the mastercam guys will come in with demo software and give a dog and pony show
17:49:02 <Sed_> FreeBSD for me..
17:49:28 <Jymmm> Sed_ Wanna Trade M$ exp for nix?
17:49:30 <Sed_> I am basicly going to learn what they buy, Im new to CNC machining.
17:50:16 <Sed_> I have more M$ experiance than I will ever admit publicly. and the more I dont know about how M$ networks, the better off I am.
17:50:28 <les_w> heh
17:50:31 <Jymmm> Sed_ Personally, I'd give her a few choices and see what she likes best.
17:50:58 <les_w> Sed I have to get a second cnc, so I have similar circumstance...
17:51:13 <les_w> was going to retrofit...may just buy new now.
17:51:20 <Jymmm> Sed_ Sounds like me and my knowledge of EXCH... which i REFUSE to ever support.
17:51:29 <les_w> I am a commercial cnc user too.
17:52:08 <Jymmm> les_w: is 69 miles per degree "close enough" ?
17:52:22 <Sed_> well she didnt know what a Lagun mill was, and wanted to know if the late we buy needed a removable gap, I told her a 14" lathe with a gap would be cool cuz we turn the occational large part, she came back with a 21" lathe....
17:52:26 <les_w> uh...
17:52:43 <les_w> yeqah.
17:52:45 <alex_joni> Jymmm: btw, did you ever try OpenXchange?
17:52:48 <les_w> yeah
17:52:54 <Jymmm> alex_joni for?
17:53:05 <alex_joni> instead of EXCH..
17:53:10 <Sed_> nope never tried OpenXchange
17:53:13 <les_w> 21" lathe gawd
17:53:14 <Jymmm> alex_joni Ah, no.
17:53:40 <Jymmm> alex_joni The thing about EXCH is the dman calendaring
17:54:07 <Sed_> a 21" lathe is probably not the best thing to use for making small telescope parts.
17:55:01 <les_w> only lathe you have?
17:55:23 <Sed_> she is in charge of buying us one, the old machinest took all the equipment
17:55:49 <les_w> Need a little one too 10 or 12 inch perhaps
17:56:01 <Sed_> I was the Aprentice and am now the only employee left..
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17:56:18 <les_w> hrmmm
17:56:23 <Sed_> yea I was going to suggest 14" be the bigest
17:56:37 <Sed_> I have a 13
17:57:13 <Sed_> somthing that takes BX tool posts, not CX
17:57:19 <les_w> right
17:57:51 <Sed_> I think it would be rather hard to find a #7 drill with a 5MT... heh
17:58:05 <les_w> heh
17:58:27 <les_w> My machine shop just makes engineering prototypes
17:58:33 <les_w> usually small
17:59:02 <Sed_> we are a prototype shop as well (or were and aspire to be again)
17:59:08 <les_w> We just have a small boxford VSL with collet closer
17:59:20 <les_w> it's fine for most stuff
17:59:27 <bill20r3> neat:  http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail.asp?ID=2
17:59:43 <Sed_> I told here to get a Colchester Clausing lathe, she found a 15"
18:00:05 <Sed_> and we are getting a Haas mill and Lagun knee mill
18:01:15 <les_w> I have a friend with a colchester 15.....it's very nice. I have used it a good bit.
18:01:33 <les_w> Yeah I am looking at Haas too
18:01:38 <Sed_> yea Like I said, cant get fired for buying IBM
18:01:43 <les_w> heh
18:01:46 <Sed_> VF3 is what she found
18:02:05 <les_w> yes I have been looking at that model
18:02:17 <les_w> lots of late model used ones on the market
18:03:08 <les_w> VF3 about $20k used good condition IIR
18:03:11 <Sed_> I was learning on a Maho rigged up with EMC and new scales running a servo-to-go card
18:03:30 <les_w> Yes I am running servo to go
18:03:37 <les_w> on a big router
18:04:16 <Sed_> I want to find an old CNC and convert it to EMC
18:04:41 <Sed_> either that or convert my little mill at home, just to learn
18:04:48 <les_w> Very few folks run emc full servo
18:04:50 <bill20r3> what mill do you have @ home?
18:05:15 <Sed_> POS Jet type China mill, smaller than a bridgeport
18:05:28 <bill20r3> ah
18:05:44 <Sed_> hobby type
18:06:03 <les_w> I have an index vertical manual.
18:06:05 <Jymmm> Sed_: "Implied by the POS designation"  =)
18:06:07 <bill20r3> I have a micro-mill I'm researching cnc'ing
18:06:17 <bill20r3> also a POS hobby type
18:06:25 <les_w> But we seem to be often making 5 or 10 of something.
18:06:46 <Sed_> how plausable is it to use stepper moters without ball screws?
18:07:16 <les_w> The router is a high speed spindle type more suited to wood and plastic
18:07:18 <bill20r3> I have no idea.  I think some people are doing it, but I dont know how well it works.
18:07:19 <Jymmm> Sed_ like with ACME ?
18:07:23 <Sed_> I heard you can run them from the PP por
18:07:36 <Sed_> yea ACME
18:08:02 <les_w> yeah....but although great for hobby or home, I sure can't reccomemnd it for any business stuff
18:08:05 <Jymmm> I have a 269 inoz steppers direct to 10TPI acme on my Z (gantry router), 
18:08:48 <Sed_> I just want to learn G-code enought to get a couple of jobs here and there, and then buy somthing real
18:08:58 <les_w> I see
18:10:06 <les_w> Well, for home metalworking retrofitting an old BP boss is about the cheapest and easiest way to go I think
18:10:10 <Sed_> I see all thease retro fitted bridgeport type mills, why on earth do they run the quill ass the Z axis with no gib, and not run it on the knee that has a gib??
18:10:49 <Sed_> and travel
18:10:54 <les_w> I don't know.
18:10:57 <les_w> cost I guess
18:11:25 <Sed_> my mill is a bench mill, I was going to put a hole in the bottom and run the Z there..
18:11:25 <les_w> need big amps and stuff to get good accel on the knee
18:12:04 <Sed_> the machines I see are 40k, how much could that add to the cost..
18:12:35 <les_w> heh
18:12:52 <les_w> that's as much as some of the Haas new
18:12:59 <Sed_> the Y axis on the Maho lifted probably like a ton of weight..
18:13:10 <les_w> isn't vf3 about 49k?
18:13:25 <Sed_> we are looking at a used one for about that price
18:13:34 <les_w> The gantry on my router is about half a ton.
18:13:41 <les_w> but it isn't lifted
18:13:43 <Sed_> the base model was like 90k I thought
18:14:11 <les_w> I may be confused with model numbers
18:14:14 <les_w> let me check
18:14:20 <Sed_> I just said Haas, its like buying IBM from what I can tell
18:14:22 <Jymmm> les_w: If you get your butt off the gantry it wouldn't weight so much.... IT"S NOT A MECHANICAL BULL I keep telling you that!
18:16:03 <les_w> haha
18:16:16 <les_w> yeah I was thinking vf0 and vf1
18:16:42 <Sed_> http://www.jrkerr.com/boards.html
18:16:48 <Sed_> any of that stuff work with EMC?
18:17:52 <les_w> it's being worked on
18:18:18 <les_w> hmmm 2000 VF@ on ebay 43K
18:18:27 <les_w> VF2
18:18:35 <Sed_> the 3phase one can handle some current
18:19:29 <Sed_> at high voltage it would be able to push some shit around.
18:19:52 <les_w> yeah.
18:20:30 <les_w> Oh af far as emc....we find the vital motenc dramatically outperforms the old stg as far as servo update
18:20:36 <les_w> it's cheaper too
18:21:05 <les_w> servo update is a big deal on routers.
18:21:36 <Sed_> whats the vital motenc?
18:22:06 <les_w> can only get 2k on the stg here. One guy here got 8K on a 1 gig machine with motenc.
18:22:28 <les_w> It is a new card supported by emc for servo
18:22:37 <les_w> pci
18:22:40 <Sed_> got a link?
18:22:45 <les_w> looking
18:22:52 <Sed_> thanks
18:23:26 <Sed_> I still want to get EMC2 working on my friends Maho with his stg.
18:23:45 <Sed_> I have to wait till he gets the machine back up and running though
18:23:47 <les_w> http://www.vitalsystem.com/web/motion/motion100.php
18:24:09 <les_w> don't buy anymore stg.
18:24:24 <les_w> this one is much better
18:24:32 <Sed_> thats a big card
18:25:02 <les_w> they make a "light" 4 axis card too
18:25:39 <Sed_> can you hook it all up with the external connector??
18:26:18 <les_w> I think it needs breakout boards
18:27:41 <les_w> it has a lot more dio than the stg too
18:29:42 <les_w> enough for tool changers etc
18:30:35 <les_w> These card were pretty much designed from the ground up with emc in mind
18:56:44 <les_w> hmm Haas min 2002 for 34k on ebay
18:57:06 <les_w> now if I wasn't buying a car...
18:57:33 <les_w> mini not min
18:57:47 <les_w> plenty big enough for my stuff.
19:08:21 <Sed_> you should see what I have to go through to get a freaking drill press
19:08:49 <les_w> heh
19:09:10 <alex_joni> why would you press a drill?
19:09:18 <les_w> I'm still waiting for central time zone to get backfrom lunch here
19:09:36 <alex_joni> Sed_: don't answer that ;)
19:10:00 <Sed_> a $260.00 Drill press is going to cost them about $600.00 buy the time I get it
19:10:19 <alex_joni> ouch.. how far?
19:11:08 <Sed_> well its a Hitachi 15" floor mount with a MT2 taper at the local hardware store.
19:12:07 <Sed_> but they have paied me my hourly wage to drive around from place to place to find one, then decided not to get it, and its on and off again depending on who they have a meeting with.. now I have to drive back to the store and get it.
19:12:16 <les_w> oh I see you have zemax. I use opticad.
19:12:55 <Sed_> what type of optic work do you do??
19:13:45 <les_w> well, I am a research fellow for a large corporation , although I started my own business
19:13:52 <les_w> still do work for them
19:14:04 <les_w> did an optical encoder product lately
19:14:28 <les_w> did the optics on the Boeing 777 anunciators a while back
19:14:41 <les_w> now doing some ultrasonic work.
19:15:25 <Sed_> what type of systems do you build?, we do Telescopes, Spectrometers and Microscopes, and misc crap..
19:15:32 <Sed_> backspace doesent wok
19:15:37 <Sed_> work
19:15:40 <les_w> heh
19:16:19 <les_w> well, design custom machine tools some...now working with the spray gun division....also the switch division
19:16:57 <Sed_> I do work for Boeing too, heh.
19:17:32 <les_w> Just try to be a one stop shop....develop mechanical and electronics products, make prototypes and ship em.
19:17:55 <les_w> so we need a small but capable machine shop
19:19:21 <les_w> kinda in growth mode...enlarging things.
19:19:52 <les_w> All embroiled with getting new shop wiring now to handle bigger stuff
19:42:48 <CIA-14> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/debian/rules: ehh, it's just a typo, so who would care ;)
19:43:52 <Sed_> Im in a situation where our machinist quit and took all the eqipemtn with him, now I have a buch of physasists directing me how to build a macihine shop, most of which have never set foot in one
19:44:09 <alex_joni> lol
19:45:16 <Sed_> I have only run CNC machines for a few months, and they have me deciding on what cam software to buy... its laughable
19:46:55 <les_w> I watched the tapes on the site
19:47:16 <Sed_> I will probably go work for our old machinist when he gets that Maho back up and running, I would like to get EMC2 going on it.
19:47:40 <les_w> sounds like a plan
19:47:50 <les_w> I was looking at oceanit too
19:48:02 <les_w> where do these guys get their funding?
19:48:07 <Sed_> alex_joni and some others helped me get it most of the way there by converting EMC1
19:48:17 <Sed_> we get funding from government hand outs
19:48:23 <les_w> ah
19:48:59 <Sed_> we were going to become a full blown optics shop and make real money, oceanit said no
19:49:08 <Sed_> so everyone quit
19:49:48 <Sed_> now its just me, Im waiting for them to get me a Haas to learn on.. heh
19:50:02 <les_w> Well, I do the research, design the stuff, run the tools, ans sweep the floor. Have One part time retired engineer that also does machining, and one other.
19:51:08 <Sed_> we have a engineer that used to be a CNC operatior, from her suggestions I can tell she does not have much experiance in a shop.
19:51:29 <Sed_> and thus far her desings look kind of over kill
19:51:39 <les_w> heh
19:52:06 <les_w> Yeah, I am an aero engineer, but always was around machine tools.
19:52:23 <les_w> Now design them sometimes.
19:52:46 <les_w> I guess my tools look like airplanes.
19:53:13 <Sed_> yea asking wether we should get a lathe with removable gap or not, then suggesting a 21" lathe in lew of it kind of tells you where shes at
19:53:39 <les_w> haha
19:53:47 <Sed_> Im sure Timex makes all their watch parts on a 21" lathe
19:54:08 <les_w> you could make toothpicks from logs...
19:55:10 <les_w> the rare times I need something big and round....I just mill it on a rotary table.
19:55:17 <Jymmm> les_w Heh, I wondered how toothpicks were actually made for years... Saw how it was done last month. VERY VERY cool.
19:55:43 <les_w> the round ones?
19:55:52 <les_w> i'm not sure
19:55:53 <Jymmm> yeah
19:56:01 <les_w> the flat ones are split I guess
19:56:08 <Sed_> I have always owend a lathe and a mill, been working on them for 24 years as a backup to my automotive business and hobby but I have no experiance with CAD and CNC
19:56:41 <Jymmm> they take a 24" long log, then peel it like an apple into a VERY long, thin sheet
19:56:59 <les_w> I think the cnc bit is pretty easy....because you already know how to machine stuff
19:57:32 <les_w> jymmm....ok...rotary veneer cutter...then what
19:57:50 <Sed_> I changed jobs in 93 to become a network administrator, and know a bit about Unix and some Linux, that helps too
19:58:38 <Jymmm> I dont remember it was on "Made In America" The Travel Channel with John Ratzibeger, the mailman from the show 'Cheers' really good.
19:59:16 <Sed_> I use Linux to watch satellite TV. heh
19:59:44 <alex_joni> everybody does
19:59:50 <alex_joni> just they don't know ;)
20:00:18 <alex_joni> some sat receivers are arm based with linux on them
20:00:23 <les_w> Well I use linux because of emc. It runs rock solid on my machine and has for several years.
20:00:53 <Sed_> yea, I use a powerpc based box from Hauppauge that has linux runing on it as my front end
20:01:10 <les_w> I have to use emc1 right now.....1000 lb gantry whizzing at hundreds of ipm is not a good test bed for experimental code...
20:01:23 <Sed_> Im glad emc went to debian on the BDI disks, I understand it more the Red Hat
20:01:34 <alex_joni> les_w: not much experimental code left in emc2
20:01:42 <les_w> well good
20:01:52 <alex_joni> at least I know lots of areas where emc1 is WAY worse
20:02:20 <alex_joni> but I agree for the 1000lb gantry
20:02:26 <les_w> heh
20:02:33 <alex_joni> the TP is still not very ok..
20:02:43 <les_w> right
20:02:45 <alex_joni> I trust the one cradek did is, but that does no blending
20:02:55 <les_w> but high servo rates help
20:02:57 <les_w> a bunch
20:03:16 <alex_joni> might, but there are still wrong speeds during blending
20:03:26 <les_w> oh yes
20:03:39 <alex_joni> probably on servo's with PID it won't matter that much if you exceed the machine limits
20:03:44 <alex_joni> but steppers WILL fail
20:03:58 <alex_joni> er.. WOULD ;)
20:04:08 <alex_joni> cause I don't know of steppers that run that fast
20:04:22 <les_w> at least with the high servo rates you can also get high trajectory rates...and it helps keep me out of the stutter thing
20:04:34 <alex_joni> except a german user lately that had about 12.5 mm/screw turn
20:04:59 <alex_joni> les_w: did you ever experience the stutter thing?
20:05:08 <alex_joni> I mean when running actual programs
20:05:19 <les_w> Once the stutter starts....practical machining is over.
20:06:03 <les_w> Yes. many many times. Myself, Paul, Fred, and Rogier have all observed it and timed it
20:06:14 <alex_joni> I see..
20:06:31 <alex_joni> well guess you need a faster board then, one that gets you higher servo update
20:06:32 <alex_joni> s
20:06:58 <les_w> exactly. The stg turns out to be the limiting factor.
20:07:31 <les_w> We have not found a speed limit for motenc....but it will likely do over 10k
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20:08:01 <Jacky^> hi
20:08:06 <les_w> hi jacky
20:08:10 <les_w> back home?
20:08:14 <Jacky^> hi les_w 
20:08:27 <Jacky^> yeah... :)
20:09:42 <Jacky^> almost hot here
20:09:54 <les_w> If we stay out of the stutter region thing are fairly behaved...although we know the speeds are not correct always
20:10:02 <les_w> at least it follows the path
20:10:21 <Jacky^> yeah 
20:10:26 <Jacky^> true
20:10:46 <les_w> the stutter part destroys the work and tool.
20:11:42 <les_w> the faster the trajectory rate, the faster you can go before stutter begins.
20:12:00 <les_w> And with the stg...that is not fast enough for a router.
20:12:33 <alex_joni> well, it's ISA..
20:12:42 <les_w> but running at 10k servo and perhaps 2k trajectory will be much better
20:13:01 <les_w> so I really need to change out the stg
20:13:16 <alex_joni> and EMC for emc2 ;)
20:13:39 <les_w> kicking and screaming? hahaha
20:13:39 <Sed_> is there any servo controller that speaks ethernet/firewre/usb2 ??
20:14:01 <les_w> there are some
20:14:18 <Sed_> you could run your mill off your laptop... heh
20:14:26 <les_w> but usb is too slow for most practical cnc
20:14:30 <les_w> packet rate...
20:14:45 <Sed_> dedicated ethernet would work
20:14:45 <les_w> data rate is fine
20:14:52 <alex_joni> ethernet, but you need RT-eth
20:15:03 <alex_joni> les_w: depends on the type you want
20:15:08 <Sed_> is there such a thing?
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20:15:27 <alex_joni> there are products like the G-Rex (which speaks USB, but only for motion commands, interp & all is done inside)
20:15:31 <alex_joni> Sed_: yes
20:17:27 <Sed_> I see lots of google hits on real time ethernet for Linux
20:18:30 <Jymmm> RT ethernet? Sounds like an oxymoron
20:18:43 <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
20:18:44 <Jymmm> oh wait, ethernet, not TCP/IP. nm
20:19:26 <alex_joni> Jymmm: it's just above physical
20:19:29 <SWPadnos> THe G-Rex is customizable
20:19:30 <Sed_> yea lower level than IP..
20:20:00 <SWPadnos> still IP, but UDP/IP, not necessarily TCP/IP
20:20:22 <SWPadnos> RT Ethernet doesn't have to be at the level of the ethernet frame
20:20:36 <Jymmm> ok, no OSI Ref model chit chat now.... it was just a brain fart
20:21:18 <Sed_> it would be a more universal interface that didnt reqire a special card in a PC, you could use a laptop or custom mini PC
20:21:48 <SWPadnos> OSI - Old Skool Intarweb ;)
20:22:03 <Sed_> you get get little 1ghz boxes with eithernet the size of a pack of cigarettes 
20:22:16 <SWPadnos> the RT ethernet people recommend a separate physical ethernet segment for RT
20:22:28 <Jymmm> * Jymmm swaps SWPadnos network with LANtastic!
20:22:40 <Sed_> Artisoft!!
20:22:43 <SWPadnos> so you can't have your normal LAN traffic on the RT net
20:22:52 <SWPadnos> Ahhh - good old Artisoft ;)
20:23:20 <SWPadnos> Using Arcnet, no less ;)
20:23:32 <Sed_> Novell
20:23:33 <Jymmm> dont make me pull out my AUI tranceivers now!
20:23:34 <les_w> tom kerekes has made some progress on the emc interpreter based 600 mflop dsp card of his
20:23:53 <les_w> basically he is writing more cannonical functions
20:23:58 <Jymmm> TokenRing
20:24:00 <Sed_> not having to deal with a PCI/ISA cards would be trick
20:24:07 <les_w> at first he had only g0-4
20:24:37 <SWPadnos> PCI cards are OK, since you can read/write 32-bit quantities in a singly instruction (let alone the bursting possibilities)
20:24:45 <SWPadnos> single
20:24:55 <Sed_> you could take your laptom from your desk over to the mill and run it.. heh
20:25:03 <Sed_> laptop even
20:25:08 <Jymmm> SWPadnos but how fast can you shove that to a motor?
20:25:19 <les_w> well if emc can do 10k, I would say that is reasonable for a modern control
20:25:50 <SWPadnos> the USC takes around 50 uS to do a full update, using the parport, as it needs roughly 50 byte reads/writes to get the job done (at roughly 1 microsecond per)
20:26:10 <SWPadnos> a PCI version would have 5 reads, and 5 writes, at 33 MHz
20:26:18 <SWPadnos> *much* faster :)
20:26:24 <Jymmm> hmmmm
20:26:48 <SWPadnos> someone like Les, who has a machine that does 0.5g (right les?), might want 20 KHz servo updates
20:27:12 <les_w> well just raw processing ability would be the next bottlenack. The RT thread has an awful lot of calcs in it
20:27:39 <les_w> I can do .5 g in x, but several g in y and z.
20:27:56 <SWPadnos> processing isn't a factor in modern PCs.  It's the latency that kills you, partly because the phuysical update to the drivers takes so long
20:28:39 <SWPadnos> if you could reduce the update to the calculations + 5 microseconds, it would be more tolerant of jitter (though you might start having to take phase jitter into account in the PID)
20:29:48 <Yen> What about PLC's? are they also supported by this project?
20:29:57 <SWPadnos> there's a PLC built into emc2
20:30:15 <les_w> well only segmentqueue managed to run out of time...
20:30:27 <les_w> but no matter...since it does not work
20:30:31 <SWPadnos> heh
20:32:26 <Yen> So this software makes your computer act as a PLC and will controll hardware with it etc?
20:32:57 <les_w> for a lot of machining 10k is way overkilll....but it's the only workaround in emc to lessen the stutter
20:33:12 <les_w> for hsm/routers 10k is needed though.
20:33:41 <alex_joni> Yen: a PLC is a Programable Locig Controller, basicly a something that lets you program it to execute some actions
20:33:46 <SWPadnos> Yen, yes.  the component is a version of ClassicLadder, and it's a ladder logic PLC
20:33:57 <alex_joni> the most common actions are to set/reset outputs based on conditions
20:34:04 <SWPadnos> you can also interface to external PLCs if you choose to do so
20:34:07 <alex_joni> and yes, there is a software one in emc2
20:34:36 <Yen> nice :)
20:36:32 <les_w> As far as I know emc is the only servo machine control south of about2 or 3k dollars
20:37:12 <SWPadnos> if you're talking about something that has closed loop control, then yes, you're right about that (probably closer to $10k)
20:37:20 <les_w> wincnc and galil is next ....
20:37:33 <les_w> it is about 3k minimum
20:37:35 <SWPadnos> and openCNC
20:37:37 <SWPadnos> ah - OK
20:38:00 <les_w> then camsoft
20:38:13 <les_w> best quote I got was about 5k
20:38:43 <les_w> emc is basically $550 with motenc lite
20:39:21 <SWPadnos> or $200 with the m5i20 ($300 with a couple of their I/O Omodules)
20:39:47 <les_w> Tom kereke's board could be a machine control with servo amps at about $900
20:40:00 <les_w> We got him to put fewer, bigger amps on it
20:40:13 <SWPadnos> I think that's too hard to update, since the interp is on the card (right?)
20:40:29 <les_w> no it's on the host pc
20:40:45 <les_w> motion is on the card
20:40:48 <SWPadnos> ah - OK.  the canon interp is on the DSP, but the G-code interp is on the PC
20:41:12 <les_w> yeah and that may be a problem
20:41:49 <les_w> currently he has to load the entire motion to the card before execution
20:42:15 <SWPadnos> that's a problem ;)
20:42:50 <SWPadnos> I'm thinking of program updates as well - what happens when the canon language is changed?  (not too frequent, but still a concern)
20:42:50 <les_w> well it could be....he does not have infinite ram on the card
20:43:11 <les_w> yeah
20:43:24 <SWPadnos> change one data structure, and you need the DSP compiler and a downloader to reprogram the card
20:43:27 <les_w> I am not sure exactly what he is send down
20:43:38 <les_w> must be a queue of cannon calls
20:43:57 <les_w> canon
20:44:03 <SWPadnos> which card is this, by the way?
20:44:20 <les_w> let me get a link here
20:45:12 <les_w> http://www.dynomotion.com/
20:45:24 <SWPadnos> OK.  I thought it was that one
20:45:46 <les_w> If you recall we had some operations going to market a cnc router....
20:45:57 <SWPadnos> USB2 - same problem as teh G-Rex
20:46:01 <SWPadnos> yep
20:46:12 <les_w> I pretty much suspended it....because we had no control
20:46:41 <les_w> The potential product had to be better AND cheaper
20:46:46 <SWPadnos> 55V max on the amps - not a great thing
20:47:02 <les_w> and that means a fast servo control that does not cost thousands
20:47:13 <les_w> he has new amps
20:47:18 <les_w> not on the site yet
20:47:25 <SWPadnos> The G-Rex is a better option there - the drives are $100 to OEMs, and the G-Rex board is $250, I think.  $650 for 4 axes
20:47:32 <les_w> 12 amp 90v I think
20:47:38 <SWPadnos> and that's up to 1600W per motor
20:47:44 <SWPadnos> ok - that would be good ;)
20:48:20 <les_w> yeah. Well anyway one of us still has the major hots to market a cnc product
20:48:35 <les_w> So we are still working on Tom.
20:48:58 <SWPadnos> heh
20:49:10 <les_w> I won't invest time or money unless we have a complete servo machine control for under 1k
20:49:27 <SWPadnos> including monitor / case?
20:49:41 <SWPadnos> cost or sale?
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20:50:27 <SWPadnos> I see no mention of Linux on that site
20:50:31 <k4ts> hello
20:51:25 <SWPadnos> hi
20:52:05 <les_w> hi k4ts
20:52:17 <les_w> swp having trouble with identify....
20:52:21 <les_w> just a sec
20:52:52 <SWPadnos> oh - the G-Rex is $176 in 100 qty, and the G320 is $96.  so the 4-axis system would be $560
20:54:03 <SWPadnos> and you can do a 3-axis system at first, then expand to 6 axes incrementally
20:54:08 <SWPadnos> too bad it's also USB ;)
21:03:24 <CIA-14> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/debian/rules: changed DESTDIR for building debs
21:05:07 <SWPadnos> alex_joni, you might want to fix your email address in debian/control :)
21:05:47 <alex_joni> might I?
21:05:53 <alex_joni> then I'll only get complaints :D
21:05:57 <SWPadnos> heh
21:06:08 <SWPadnos> they might figure out that sourceforge.nt doesn't exist ;)
21:06:27 <alex_joni> but only the ones that are worthy answering
21:06:38 <CIA-14> 03cradek * 10emc2/debian/rules: this goes with the previous fix
21:06:44 <CIA-14> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/debian/control: SWP busted me on this one
21:07:01 <SWPadnos> heh ;:
21:07:04 <SWPadnos> ;)
21:34:53 <Jymmm> * Jymmm hihg-5's SWPadnos
21:34:56 <Jymmm> high
21:35:09 <SWPadnos> * SWPadnos high-fives jymmm
21:35:14 <SWPadnos> though I don't know why
21:35:22 <Jymmm> <CIA-14> alex_joni * emc2/debian/control: SWP busted me on this one
21:35:26 <SWPadnos> $599.03, by the way
21:35:27 <SWPadnos> heh
21:35:36 <Jymmm> $599 for ?
21:35:57 <SWPadnos> car repairs
21:36:20 <Jymmm> Hmmmm, seens too cheap
21:36:38 <SWPadnos> just a plastic bumper shell, some foam, and some paint
21:36:45 <Jymmm> Yeah, I know
21:36:56 <Jymmm> my gf's was $800 something
21:37:01 <Jymmm> honda
21:37:02 <SWPadnos> what kind of car?
21:37:06 <SWPadnos> ok
21:37:17 <SWPadnos> maybe the labor rates are lower here?
21:37:22 <SWPadnos> it
21:37:28 <Jymmm> everything is expensive here
21:37:36 <SWPadnos> it's actually less than half labor
21:37:54 <Jymmm> iirc it's like $65/hr for labor
21:38:14 <SWPadnos> ok - that's pretty close to here, but some of the lower price places are as little as $35-$45
21:38:36 <SWPadnos> that's a reman bumper, not OEM (saves a whopping $60)
21:38:52 <Jymmm> ah
21:44:18 <CIA-14> 03jepler * 10emc2/src/emc/ (rs274ngc/Makefile task/Makefile): build librs274.a instead of .objs/rs274.o, and link it when building milltask
21:45:30 <CIA-14> 03jepler * 10emc2/include/.cvsignore: Add cvsignore file so that cvs doesn't complain about the .h and .hh files that are moved here during the build
21:45:38 <alex_joni> jepler: yay
21:49:52 <CIA-14> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/ (configure.in configure config.h.in): added checks for sincos, and __sincos
21:50:21 <jepler> alex_joni: yay
21:50:44 <SWPadnos> jepler and alex_joni: yay
21:51:42 <CIA-14> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/libnml/posemath/ (sincos.c sincos.h): testing for sincos functions found by ./configure
21:51:47 <alex_joni> yay ;)
21:52:17 <alex_joni> jepler: if you had 2 commits, it's only fair that I do 2 myself :))
21:56:46 <CIA-14> 03jepler * 10emc2/ (21 files in 21 dirs): complete cvsignores for the whole tree. I don't get any "?"s on update anymore
21:57:47 <alex_joni> jepler: yay ;)
21:57:55 <SWPadnos> yay
21:58:20 <Yen> Yen has quit
22:06:07 <jepler> so I'm finally a contributor to emc2...
22:06:15 <alex_joni> jepler: nice one ;)
22:09:05 <cradek> we need all the help we can get!
22:10:05 <alex_joni> cradek: indeed we do
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22:42:32 <alex_joni> night all
22:42:35 <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
22:49:02 <Jacky^> Night alex_joni 
22:49:44 <bill20r3> Mmm, bed.
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