00:04:20 Eh, I wont ORDER the stuff, but I might try a sheet is I see it in the stores. 00:05:45 skunkworks has joined #emc 00:50:57 pc_op has quit 00:56:18 pc_op has joined #emc 01:15:26 les_w has joined #EMC 01:15:46 howdy les 01:15:54 got to make coffee... 01:15:56 HEY JYMMM 01:15:59 OOPS 01:16:09 all cap sfor trivial pursuit 01:17:12 I recieved a " care package" from jacky and k4ts in naples 01:17:22 all sorts of neat stuff 01:17:37 there is a bottle of something..... 01:17:46 but I can't read itialian 01:18:03 not sure whether to splash it on my face or drink it... 01:23:28 ok, coffee brewing 01:23:33 mmm coffee 01:23:44 with a shot of italian aftershave 01:24:09 les_w if you open the cap and go "WHOA!", pour some in a glass. 01:24:16 They sent some books about naples too 01:24:37 I really like the riviera area. 01:25:12 You know, if I end up growing up and getting rich here....I'll move there I think 01:25:44 at least in the winter... 01:25:59 les_w what about college after you graduate from Jr High? 01:26:09 haha 01:26:21 I stayed in Nice a while on business 01:26:23 loved it 01:27:17 you can reant or buy a 2000 year old roman villa 01:27:46 dinner every evening at a quaint bistro 01:27:47 A sign that I FINALLY complete, I started to make a keyholeslot on the back and something happened and completely destroyed the sign. 01:27:58 lots of artist types around 01:28:24 the bit went all the way thru the material and kept going. I had to unplug the router before a fire broke out. 01:28:27 ow....just with a keyhole bit? 01:28:46 ah...collet slip. I know it well. 01:29:01 No, first a 1/4" to clear the slot, then the keyhole bit 01:29:21 the collet started grinding into the material 01:29:40 but the keyhole bit slipped right? 01:29:42 burned a small hole in the top of the router table 01:30:00 les_w no, hadn't installed the KH bit yet 01:30:18 oh ok the quarter inch bit slipped I guess 01:30:24 Something mad my Z keep going 01:30:30 oh 01:30:33 No, no bit slipped at all 01:31:06 Z kept going more and more, and even ran the collet itself into the mateial by 1.8" until I unplugged it 01:31:12 1/8" 01:31:30 oh, ok 01:31:35 you can see this huge burn mark from where the collet burn the wood 01:31:39 well it happens 01:31:51 Yeah, but why?! 01:31:52 what is your control? 01:32:05 This is what I was running: 01:32:06 T1M6 01:32:07 G0Z2.0000 01:32:07 G0X0.0000Y0.0000S15000M3 01:32:07 G0X0.0000Y0.0000Z0.2000 01:32:07 G1Z-0.3750F10.0 01:32:07 G1X2.0000Y-0.0000F20.0 01:32:09 G1X0.0000Y-0.0000F20.0 01:32:11 G0Z0.2000 01:32:13 G0X0.0000Y0.0000Z2.0000 01:32:15 G0Z2.0000 01:32:17 G0X0Y0 01:32:19 M30 01:32:23 Z 0 is top of material 01:32:32 k let me look 01:33:30 some repeated commands for z...but looks ok to me 01:33:52 if you were in absolute coordinates 01:34:19 was that a question or statment? 01:35:00 question I guess. Some controls might not like repeated commands. Emc handles them ok. 01:35:12 which are dups? 01:35:42 G0X0.0000Y0.0000Z2.0000 01:35:50 G0Z2.0000 01:36:23 G0X0Y0 01:37:01 * Jymmm looks... 01:38:01 ahhh...had scallops and pasta for dinner...then a glass of 8 year old bourbon and branch water. 01:38:14 branch water? 01:38:15 needed a fine cigar with that I guess 01:38:26 spring water 01:38:31 ah 01:39:22 I am told fine bourbon and an expensive cigar are a great pleasure. Not sure...don't smoke cigars. 01:39:55 ok, if I only need to move one axis, with G1 there's no need to state any other axis? 01:40:07 I'll go to the cigar club that opened recently and see. 01:40:08 I wish I knew gcode better 01:40:16 or Cuba 01:40:26 you can move with one axis yes 01:40:36 ok. 01:40:46 brb GETting coffeee now that it's brwed 01:42:50 here is my friend's store...he is a retired automation engineer... 01:42:52 http://www.idiotsavantinc.com/ 01:45:12 i was reading up on asperger's syndrome yesterday.. it's quite interesting. I think 90% of the people that change the world for the better have it. 01:46:09 googling now.... 01:47:51 ok , seems like the symptoms are just being smart and focused 01:48:45 people wonder why i hate doctors 01:49:06 "a dash of autism" 01:49:09 hmmm 01:49:19 Fucking Bush 01:49:27 hahaha 01:49:27 (and not in a good way) 01:50:17 anyoen remember the link to the gcode specs? 01:50:45 *cough* what specs? 01:50:59 on NIST.GOV 01:51:11 oh, gosh no. I have it printed out in my machine manual. Somewhere on linuxcnc I guess 01:51:36 that is the fanuc dialect that nist favors 01:53:32 Anyway I will go to my friend's store and test this 8 yo bourbon/expensive cigar hypothesis. We'll see! 01:53:36 * Jymmm searches the log files 01:54:39 Oh my case of 20 cast frame mide range audio drivers came. Seas...made in norway. What a score. 01:54:47 Found it, I swear cradek knows it by heart 01:54:49 http://www.isd.mel.nist.gov/personnel/kramer/pubs/RS274NGC_3.web/RS274NGC_3TOC.html 01:55:38 yeah... 01:55:47 but that is for emc... 01:56:08 wth is the diff? 01:56:38 anything and everything depending on how the controller is written 01:56:48 what are you using? 01:56:54 turbocnc 01:56:58 ok 01:58:21 I jsut want to make that snippet of gcode fool proof. 01:59:20 well. weird stuff is pretty common with controls. EMC has been 100% solid and predictable for me as far as g code behavior. I guess that's the main reason I run it despite of it's other significant faults. 01:59:38 like a crap tp. 02:00:10 That was my first hand written gcode, so I suspect operator error more than anything else. I used that (I think I used that version) previously and it worked. 02:01:02 how are you getting the top of the material 0? 02:01:10 manually 02:01:18 explain 02:01:48 I jog Z downtill it hits the feeler gauge and set Z to 0 02:01:49 move the tool there and home z? 02:02:13 how are you setting z to 0 - home or g92? 02:02:29 or something else? 02:02:59 skunkworks: I'm using TurboCNC at the moment. But I hit 'Zero Axis' command. 02:03:06 ah 02:03:50 I was thinking emc - I have used turbocnc that way without a problems 02:03:53 problem 02:04:09 That's how I ALWAYS zero Z. 02:04:09 'zero axis' 02:04:18 I zero this way: 02:04:19 Z, ALT+z 02:04:49 jog tool tip to about 1/16" off the surface 02:05:15 measure the gap with a circular spark plug gage 02:05:32 let's say it's 52 thousandths 02:05:39 I go to mdi 02:06:02 and type g92z.052 02:06:05 done. 02:06:18 this is emc - les? 02:06:22 yeah 02:06:45 I have had odd issues with emc2 and g92 when I first played with it. 02:06:56 I'll have to look for my sprakplug gage 02:07:17 the circular keychain ones are great to use 02:07:35 * Jymmm has been using a slip of paper... slow jog down till the paper moves no more, zero z jog up and remove paper =) 02:07:56 and skunk, I have to use emc1 since it is a production tool. 02:07:57 I have a curcular one... somewhere 02:08:18 les_w are they that accurate? 02:08:23 blarg les: why'd you suggest g92 vs g54? 02:08:25 yeah. 02:08:43 mine from NAPA was. I checked of course 02:08:44 have not tried it lately with the lerman interp but I had to make sure I did a g92.whaterver to activate it. if I didn't use the offset. 02:09:07 in auto - running a program 02:09:17 jymmm the general consensus seems to be g54 for zeroing axes 02:09:18 les_w will check mine, especially since I have never used in the 8 years I've had it =) 02:09:38 G 92 has been messed with some. I do not know what it does now. 02:09:47 fenn and the diff between g92 and g54 is? 02:10:28 not much. The way it's stored. 02:10:31 g92 sets the machine coordinates, g54 sets part coordinates 02:10:41 i think 02:10:56 So g92 is absolute, and g54 is relative 02:10:56 sometimes g92 values get erased after the program ends 02:11:05 I use g 5x a great deal as well. 02:11:21 I end with a % only to preserve 02:11:32 % ???????? 02:11:46 people wonder why i hate gcode 02:11:52 use g10 to change part coordinates in large arrays 02:12:47 I only hand edit gcode for arrays. Cam programs usually do a very poor job with them. 02:12:50 comments are { }\n ? 02:12:58 () 02:12:59 no block comments? 02:13:01 in enc 02:13:10 emc 02:13:14 I used g92 forever at work for setting zero for our laser. fanuc controller - but emc seems a little funky. not used to it yet 02:13:40 I have no problems with wmc g92. 02:13:58 but I am not using the latst interpreter 02:14:00 Gawd it still smells of charred wood in here. 02:14:25 I have seen some nice fires. 02:14:28 and I love the smell of a fire, but this stinks! 02:14:41 burned frozen snot 02:15:35 wait till you pop a 1/2 carbide bit at 20,000 rpm.... 02:15:39 I had a question on how everyone has their spindle control setup? 02:15:40 DUCK! 02:15:44 les_w I did 1/4" 02:16:25 I'm still wiring the new spindle. Have to order a 60 amp fused shut off... 02:16:39 it also gets saved if emc is exited. when you load it back up the axises are all zero until you turn the machine on - then it is offset by the amount that was set before in g92 02:16:57 yeah 02:16:57 I have a SSR I can use, but I'm not sure how I should connect it to the paraport w/o it acting funky during boot or a crash, or loose cable 02:17:19 SSR? 02:17:28 SSR == Solid Stat Relay 02:17:31 State 02:17:34 ok 02:17:57 I know Active High, so it doesn't turn on when the computer is off. 02:18:01 I am using a big nema contactor for the new spindle 02:18:11 but not sure about the rest. 02:18:23 #8 wires 02:18:34 in sealtight 02:19:14 was wiring that today 02:19:33 also switching to 24v control wiring 02:19:39 was 5 02:20:01 SWPadnos__ has joined #emc 02:20:11 have to put a 5v regulator at each encoder 02:20:24 hi swp 02:23:26 I'm getting some spare time, because Morgan electro ceramic is screwing around with my production quote 02:24:07 Sure sign of good times...big industrial vendors take their time with bigbucks quotes.... 02:24:39 right? 02:26:58 a 100m/yr quote....and they have been on it 2 weeks.... 02:27:26 I'd have it in 2 hours 02:34:27 SWPadnos has quit 03:05:12 I'll take 100m/yr :) 03:09:09 yeah. I was talking to lawrence on skype. 03:09:37 I want to pursue an internet based consulting netirk. 03:09:49 network. 03:09:59 ok - I was going to ask about that ;) 03:10:13 but I almost asked "wetirk" :) 03:10:50 Business is growing, and I am looking at a business model of low over head skilled consultant types...like us. 03:11:12 I've got mechanical and software engineering resources, and some electrical (though I prefer to leave "very analog" stuff to others with more experience 03:11:18 yep 03:11:42 I have to be kind of a salesman mostly theses days...and I an maxed out as far as engineering. 03:11:46 I've got a power engineer as well, but there would need to be pretty consistent work for him to jump onboard 03:12:17 To continue growing beyond the $100/hr 40 hours a week we need to do something 03:12:33 I think we can 03:12:44 generally, that something is to design a product, and not produce it yourself ;) 03:12:59 SWPadnos__ is now known as SWPadnos 03:13:25 ideally, multiple products 03:14:28 I think that this...loosly based collaberations based on things like old irc could be very powerful as a business model 03:14:42 but with better spelling... 03:14:53 heh 03:14:59 maybe with skype instead ;) 03:15:47 anyway I am learning that I have to SELL....and it seems I can seel a lot more than I can actually do. 03:16:04 sell 03:16:10 now that was a typo... 03:16:16 I hate selling, so that could be good 03:16:33 at least it wasn't "steal a lot more ..." 03:17:27 I have learned to like it. I'm an engineer, and I make things. But I haver noticed I really make my living just talking on the phone. 03:18:55 So, anyway, I am looking for a network with skills and time I don't have... 03:19:10 like programming pics or gate arrays 03:19:21 sheesh even i know how to program pics 03:19:27 haha 03:19:30 good 03:19:35 I can program PICs, but I prefer not to 03:19:44 exactly 03:19:58 unless you can get them for $0.15, they're not worth it ;) 03:20:12 I can't, could, but probably shouldn't 03:20:28 but I can sell it! 03:20:39 well, sell then :) 03:21:05 so let it be written, so let it be done swp. 03:21:34 I've been thinking about building that kind of a network for a while now, and as I said, I have power/electrical, mechanical and software engineering all taken care of 03:21:43 it is done! 03:22:36 I am just maxed out as far as consulting.....have a backlog. I want to get beyond that basic limitation 03:23:00 It's a good problem to have I guess 03:23:07 one of the best 03:23:31 but almost as bad as not having any work, because you still have a hard time getting any single project done 03:23:54 right doing projects serially 03:24:01 need to get around that 03:24:21 yep - no work, no billing. no finished projects, no billing (or at least, no paying) 03:24:38 invent this. file patents. Get paid. etc etc 03:25:27 I think we could do better in small informal groups. 03:25:46 yes, though there's still the overhead of management / communications 03:26:01 you can usually get around that in singles or pairs 03:26:29 I think....we are taking care of that sort of thing...right now! 03:26:48 yes, but look at all the time we're wasting ;) 03:27:00 I have been to thousands of large corporation meetings.... 03:27:03 haha 03:27:10 they're boring as hell 03:27:25 yeah. 03:27:58 part of it is communication. Most of it is politics. 03:28:04 yep 03:28:22 hmmm 03:29:51 too late, secret's out - applications are in the m...ail 03:30:06 s/m...ail/mail.../ 03:30:14 Well, anyway, after resigning a corporate position to start my own business, then starving for a couple years....I have turned in to a raving capitalist. 03:30:46 heh - I haven't gotten that bad yet, though I may tomorrow, since estimated tax payments are due 03:30:56 yeah 03:31:08 Well machine buying time for me. 03:31:20 heh - software and scope buying for me ;) 03:31:56 I am building a dedicated tronics lab 03:32:06 have to have a place to put it first 03:32:14 yeah - I wish I had more space 03:32:30 My tronics stuff is in the machine shop now 03:32:32 it'll be hard to test a camera array in an 18x15 office ;) 03:32:32 not good 03:32:37 nope 03:32:52 you don't have kerosene heat do you? 03:33:03 gas 03:33:12 that should be OK 03:33:29 a little less CO 03:33:52 ISTR that kerosene leaves somewhat conductive deposits on PC boards 03:33:56 and no sticky stuff on all the gear 03:34:05 haha 03:34:17 the fumes from kerosene heat, that is 03:34:23 yeah 03:34:46 that could be bad in my garage, since there's just the kerosene heater out there 03:35:11 Well with the expansion we will be using wood heat as a suppliment 03:35:13 but since most of my electronics are in NEMA 12 enclosures, it may not be an issue :) 03:35:21 with out $1000/mo gas bills 03:36:09 that helps 03:36:30 camera array? 03:36:57 We just dropped that old sick oak tree behind the shop... I recounted the rings...130. It is a lot of wood! 03:37:22 yep - camera array 03:38:49 for what? 03:39:03 special effects 03:39:12 sounds like fun 03:39:14 this one is meant for sports events, I believe 03:39:16 yep 03:39:49 jtr is now known as jtr_away 03:41:46 oh btw, any of you like music or sound /speaker stuff? 03:42:04 I do 03:42:31 I used to dothat for a living....audio r&d at shure 03:42:34 but... 03:42:44 ah - I still have a turntable, actually :) 03:43:15 I just copped a case of SEAS cast magnesium frame mids 03:43:19 20 of em 03:43:28 I need only four. 03:43:51 cool - never heard of them ;) 03:44:19 from norway. High end. 03:44:33 I needed 4. Got 20. 03:44:54 I can do the math on that - what price range are they in? 03:45:22 they were $57 msrp....I got em for...less. 03:45:34 turntable? 03:45:40 yep - Sansui 03:45:50 using a cartridge I designed? 03:45:52 not that I still have any records 03:46:03 possibly - haven't checked 03:46:39 I designed the shure ml series beryllium cartridge. 03:46:52 long ago. 03:47:24 this one says "ADC 101 QE (on 3 lines, on the front of the cartridge) 03:48:17 the competition. 03:48:21 heh 03:48:35 I got the turntable for $5 at a garage sale last summer 03:49:03 I guess I can make some line arrays for my son's rock band. 03:49:15 what model are they? 03:49:34 LET ME GET A LINK 03:49:56 OK 03:50:57 http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?cart_id=1634082.16236&pid=992 03:51:15 unusually smooth responce 03:51:21 response 03:52:22 100 rms voice coil...400 peak 03:52:24 watts 03:52:31 it looks like that's an older model (or brand new) 03:52:38 new 03:52:41 I don't see it on the SEAS website 03:52:47 I have 20 of these 03:53:05 It is ther 03:53:08 there 03:53:30 I needed 4 for the music room 03:53:59 I can take the other 16 and make a like array for my son's rock band I guess 03:54:20 that would be cool. 03:54:20 1600W rms...4800w peak 03:54:31 I'm not into building my own, but my mechanical engineering friend is 03:54:34 102 db/1 watt 03:54:47 that's pretty efficient 03:54:56 I'm happy with my Mirage towers 03:55:00 that is for 16 03:55:11 still at 1 W? 03:55:12 3 db for each doubling 03:55:23 or 16W aggregate 03:55:59 I just selected them for their extrordinarily smooth response 03:56:14 smotth midrange is very important 03:56:39 hmm 03:56:51 I'm looking at a chart on the specsheet, but it isn't well labeled 03:57:00 used in some super expensive high end speakers 03:58:05 the graph is normalized 03:58:06 http://www.seas.no/seas_line/midrange/H143.PDF 03:58:14 can you identify the plots on that chat? 03:58:14 great response 03:58:17 chart 03:58:33 it looks like 3 frequency response lines, at different pahse shifts 03:58:33 piston motion to 7 kHZ 03:58:40 pretty good 03:58:50 and then another one - do you think that's the power output? 03:59:13 hmmm -looks more like a group delay plot 03:59:35 it's impedance 03:59:41 the upper curve 03:59:45 ok - dynamic impedance 04:00:01 lowewr is normalized on axis response 04:00:10 very good at 30 degrees too 04:00:26 ok - degrees off axis 04:00:31 fs is about 210 04:00:41 (I'm more used to looking at electronic spectrum analysis ;) ) 04:01:27 well they don't show phase 04:01:36 but it will be good 04:01:38 from 04:01:46 about 500-5000 04:02:55 I burned up a bunch of audax 5" mids due to a shorted output transistor 04:02:56 I had considered making an amplifier / crossover network that splits the bands, then amplifies for each speaker 04:03:01 never got around to it 04:03:19 needed replacements but audax Is not selling raw drivers anymore 04:03:28 bummer 04:03:52 I like high end audio, but my idea of high end would be low end to a true audiophile nut 04:04:02 Pioneer Elite and Mirage are good for me ;) 04:04:28 Mine is quadamped linkwitz-reilly electronic crossover. I designed it. 04:05:01 cool - that's what I was thinking of about a decade ago or so 04:05:30 I used the burr-brown 604. Clean. 04:05:39 has distortion feedforward. 04:06:12 I'd thinkk you would want to have a distortion filter instead ;) 04:06:20 I could not measure any distortion at all at unity gain. 04:06:36 Have to extrapolate at higher gains. 04:06:45 140 db headroom. 04:06:57