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Thank you for your patience, and have a great day! 06:16:29 djb_rh has joined #emc 07:19:52 Jymmm has quit 09:03:42 robin has joined #emc 09:03:45 meep? 09:04:00 bonjour mes amis 09:04:33 was? 09:05:19 je suis en Geneve :) 09:06:17 so ... anything interesting happen? 09:06:32 not that i am aware of :( 09:06:39 dang. 09:06:47 Les got his spindle installed yet? 09:07:03 les got a spindle? 09:07:19 colombo 5 or 10 hp I tink 09:07:41 ok 09:07:58 with no ATC, silly boy 09:08:53 theres a nice on on eBay right now ... 09:10:07 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Colombo-High-Speed-Router-Motor-CNC-Plastic-Metal-Wood_W0QQitemZ7579679215QQcategoryZ42938QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 10:12:34 Jacky^ has joined #emc 10:19:14 hello Jacky^ 10:59:13 PhantomX has joined #emc 10:59:24 good morning 11:05:06 PhantomX has quit 11:11:37 hi guys 11:11:46 hi robin 12:08:45 meep 12:11:38 here's some interesting reading: http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html 12:13:22 meep 12:20:06 guess no meep today :) 12:22:58 i see two meepis 12:29:52 TorbaX has joined #emc 12:30:02 hello 12:30:49 I've installed on a old machine K6II-350MHz@256MB-Ram 12:30:54 BDI-4.38 12:31:36 I don't have any idea to set parallel IO pins 12:32:50 Where can I find the IO assignment ? 12:41:01 you will probably want to install emc2 12:41:18 afaik the only pins you can change in emc1 are limit switch inputs 12:44:56 the pinout for emc1 is here, about halfway down: http://linuxcnc.org/handbook/part2/rhemcini.html 12:46:07 the documentation is probably easier to read though 12:46:58 http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/emc/emc-docs-1.0.0.pdf.tgz?download 13:09:51 :-| 13:10:47 I printed an old HandBook version !!!!! 13:10:56 30th August 2k2 13:11:05 it probably hasnt changed much 13:12:19 my pinout are hardwired to the DB25 connector 13:12:47 in emc2 there's an 'electronic breadboard" layer that lets you swap pins and debounce switches etc 13:13:11 does emc2 change pins? 13:13:16 good 13:13:43 is there a docs to install emc2 instead of emc1? 13:13:47 yep 13:14:12 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_38_Compile_EMC2 13:18:34 thanks, I try to make it 13:33:24 cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/emc login 13:33:30 it doesnt work 13:34:08 * fenn mutters bad things about sourceforge 13:34:58 seems to hang at the passwd 13:35:05 silly system 13:35:09 exactly 13:35:24 I think it is swedish chef 13:35:34 mm i test to download the nightly build tarball 13:35:36 it's borked.. download this instead: fenn.dyndns.org/pub/emc/emc2.tar.gz 13:35:45 bork bork bork! 13:35:50 ok 13:36:37 officially there hasnt been a release yet, but that's a silly reason not to have proper beta test downloads 13:36:50 ok downloaded... 13:38:50 :-| 13:38:58 ./configure 13:39:07 checking fo RT dir.... 13:39:14 RT not found 13:39:19 ....... 13:39:25 !!! 13:39:37 where's the problem? 13:39:56 apt-get install realtime-2.6.12.6-rtai ? 13:39:57 BDI kernel is RT patched 13:40:00 ops 13:40:07 :-\ 13:40:42 i havent installed bdi 4.38.. dont know how its put together 13:42:35 god damn juno reactor is so cooool 13:46:25 apt-get install realtime-2.6.12.6-rtai 13:46:37 apt didnt' find the package 13:47:11 it's incredible!!! 13:48:27 try adding http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/~emc/debian/ to the apt sources.list 13:48:35 i'm not too familliar with the syntax 13:48:41 ok 13:51:03 tell me what you did if you get it to work :) 13:51:12 or better yet add it to the wiki page 13:59:55 mm 14:00:35 fenn: the mirror exists in source.list 14:00:54 deb http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/emc/debian/ sarge updates extras 14:04:06 welp.. could you do a "locate rtai_ksched.ko" for me? 14:07:25 wah. alex_joni help meeee... 14:08:31 emclinux:~/emc2# locate rtai_ksched.ko 14:08:44 locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory 14:08:49 .-| 14:08:51 :-| 14:09:05 oops.. updatedb first 14:09:15 you might have to be root 14:09:24 yes i'm root..... 14:09:31 just a moment 14:10:46 updatedb done... 14:11:00 /lib/modules/2.6.12.6-rtai/rtai/rtai_ksched.ko 14:12:23 ./configure 14:12:23 checking for RT dir... configure: error: RT not found, try to specify one by --with-rtai=, --with-rtlinux=, --with-rtlinuxpro= 14:12:43 which Path do I set 14:12:44 ? 14:13:34 try /lib/modules/2.6.12.6-rtai/ and add an rtai if that doesnt work 14:14:50 ./configure --with-rtai=/lib/modules/2.6.12.6-rtai/ 14:15:03 checking for RT dir... checking specified rtai=/lib/modules/2.6.12.6-rtai/... configure: error: RTAIDIR=/lib/modules/2.6.12.6-rtai/ specified, but neither rtai-config \(RTAI-3.x\) nor realtime-config \(rtai-24.1.x\) found. Check your RTAI install 14:15:10 :-| 14:15:34 a strange problem I see... 14:16:20 i think i told you to use the wrong path 14:16:29 on my system here's what it looks like: 14:16:51 there's a folder /usr/realtime/ with this stuff in it: bin calibration include lib modules share testsuite 14:17:09 ./configure shows me various options 14:17:18 for whatever reason paul moved all that crap around on the bdi so it's scattered everywhere 14:17:39 --with-rtai=, --with-rtlinux=, --with-rtlinuxpro= 14:17:54 you have rtai, the others are for different rt operating systems 14:18:21 i don't have any "realtime" folder in /usr 14:18:26 right 14:19:04 try locate rtai-config 14:19:21 it doesnt exists 14:19:23 s 14:20:42 I'm trying to search with apt-cache if I missing one package .... 14:21:45 i will install "rtai" : apt-get install rtai 14:21:56 ok done 14:22:03 er, that worked?! 14:22:22 :-( 14:22:40 rtai has to be compiled with the same compiler as the kernel was.. i doubt .deb's know about this dependency requirement 14:23:03 it really ought to be in one package 14:24:13 ... 14:24:44 hello 14:24:57 TorbaX: just came in 14:25:01 what distro? 14:25:30 seems like it's BDI 4.38 14:25:36 hot off the presses 14:25:36 BDI-4.38 14:25:39 from the kernel & rtai 14:25:43 right 14:25:49 did you follow the wiki's steps? 14:26:11 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_38_Compile_EMC2 14:26:31 i pointed him there but it doesnt seem quite right 14:26:56 alex_joni: yes but the cvs login is on standby 14:26:58 I wrote there: `apt-get install realtime-2.6.12.6-rtai` should do the trick 14:27:11 forget the cvs login, that's after that 14:27:13 the package doesn't exist 14:27:21 huh? 14:27:28 apt-cache search realtime 14:27:36 and look for packages containing rtai in the name 14:27:44 apt-cache search realtime | grep rtai 14:28:20 the mirror is correct 14:28:39 there are many packages 14:28:46 with rtai 14:30:05 hang on a second 14:31:54 back 14:32:06 try 'apt-get install rtai-dev-2.6.12.6-rtai' 14:35:32 ok 14:36:00 up 70MB space..... 14:36:10 does it work? 14:36:22 cpp-2.95 gcc-2.95 linux-headers-2.6.12.6-rtai 14:36:45 the package that apt-get install now 14:38:05 d'oh! no gcc woulda been a bitch :) 14:38:59 ok finished 14:40:18 wow 14:40:29 Now rtai-config exists 14:40:51 fenn: paul made gcc depend on the rtai-dev package 14:40:57 so it's sure the exact version is there 14:42:10 a first step now goes 14:42:49 ./configure --with-rtai=/usr/realtime-2.6.12.6-rtai 14:43:20 it did find the RT dir 14:43:24 BUT 14:43:34 checking for cc version... found gcc-2.95 in rtai-config 14:43:38 checking for gcc-2.95... gcc-2.95 14:43:42 checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables 14:46:09 there's a problem with compiler... 14:46:33 I don't understand where is it 14:55:44 in wiki page http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_38_Compile_EMC2 14:56:09 when I check this 14:56:14 cd ~/emc2/src 14:56:18 ./configure 14:56:42 I see that src folder doesn't exist 14:57:09 but the configure files are in the top emc2 folder 14:57:19 cd ~/emc2 14:57:25 ./configure 15:01:40 TorbaX: you probably have an older checkout 15:01:42 a very old one.. 15:03:10 ok.. seems the tar.gz you downloaded is busted :( 15:03:11 my fault 15:05:46 alex_joni: no problem:) 15:06:24 alex_joni: where newer package I find? 15:06:36 trying to build a new one now 15:06:41 but CVS should be safer 15:08:41 almost there.. 15:08:43 alex_joni: I downloaded the http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/~emc/ nightly build 15:08:47 ... 15:09:18 yes, I've just seen that one is broken :( 15:09:18 and I think it's a copy of CVS...... 15:09:20 sorry about that 15:09:22 no.. 15:09:35 oh 15:09:49 http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/~emc/emc2-20060114.tar.gz 15:09:50 this 15:09:59 http://proxy.robcon.lcl/~emc/emc2-20060114.tar.gz 15:10:05 download it again, I fixed it.. 15:10:11 ok thanks 15:11:07 but I am worried about that gcc stuff you reported 15:11:14 I might not be able to help you on that one :( 15:12:09 good 15:12:13 jtr has joined #emc 15:12:13 src folder exist 15:13:12 oops was that my emc2.tar.gz that was busted? 15:13:34 fenn: src folder doesn't exists 15:13:52 fenn: give me you URL 15:13:57 I want to check yours too 15:14:02 mine was surely busted :( 15:14:15 s/you/your/ 15:14:17 i forgot to move the .tgz to the download directory, but it shouldnt have been busted before either 15:14:43 fenn.dyndns.org/pub/emc/emc2.tar.gz <- old one 15:14:47 fenn: your tar.gz is only half size of the alex's tarred version 15:16:19 fenn: yours is busted too 15:16:21 alex_joni: the problem is only: 15:16:23 checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables 15:16:28 let me commit the changes for the Makefile 15:16:30 see config.log for detail 15:16:38 TorbaX: afraid I can't help you on that one :( 15:17:34 make tgz isn't grabbing all the other stuff, just the src dir 15:18:02 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/Makefile: updated make tgz for proper dirs, seems the old version was from before the Makefile moved to src/ 15:18:22 that was quick :) 15:18:45 great 15:18:53 probably I find the solutin 15:18:57 solution 15:19:18 http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:iierZQEg4qwJ:pomocnik.com/users/dan/+checking+for+C+compiler+default+output+file+name...+configure:+error:+C+compiler+cannot+create+executables 15:19:36 simply install glibc-devel 15:19:49 now i try this 15:20:14 ok that works here too alex 15:21:02 fenn: ok 15:21:05 TorbaX: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), cpp-2.95 (>= 1:2.95.4), cpp-2.95 (<< 1:2.95.5), binutils (>= 2.11.90.0.1-1) 15:21:08 Recommends: libc-dev 15:21:14 apt-get install libc-dev should do the trick 15:21:21 did you do any custom bdi install? 15:21:58 no, I did basic bdi Install 15:22:43 TorbaX: strange, I did one too, and got all the packages already on it 15:24:39 :-| 15:24:52 apt-get install libc6-dev 15:25:32 it will install: linux-kernel-headers 15:25:32 libc6-dev 15:25:43 recommended: gcc c-compiler 15:30:00 yessss 15:30:04 Goooooo 15:31:20 TorbaX: does it work? 15:31:35 http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9459527&forum_id 15:31:37 oops 15:31:42 hi jeff ;) 15:32:02 hi alex 15:32:06 you caught me 15:32:35 you have become ensnared in the sticky mess that is IRC 15:33:21 the config process.... yes 15:34:46 TorbaX: nice 15:34:51 alex_joni: mmm in checking list I srr that more packages aren't installed 15:35:06 exactly now configure stopped. 15:35:26 it didn't find: 15:35:32 tcllib 15:35:45 gcc 15:35:47 g++ 15:36:13 and a arnign for GTK that are not installed into BDI 15:36:19 warning 15:36:26 :-| 15:36:35 GTK is only needed for halmeter and halscope 15:36:42 so you can compile without 15:36:48 yes 15:36:51 but gcc and g++ you just installed previously 15:36:56 mm 15:37:01 ok 15:37:05 along with rtai-dev 15:37:07 cncuser has joined #emc 15:37:11 hello 15:37:19 hello cncuser 15:37:27 hi alex_joni 15:37:53 Jymmm has joined #emc 15:38:11 had a motherboardfault yesterday :( 15:38:21 but the good part is 15:39:10 my backup pc is much too lame to do the install within qemu. so i add nativ install to the howto while installing :) so its qemu, chrooted, native. 15:39:27 PhantomX has joined #emc 15:39:35 sorry alex_joni, which version of C ompiler do you have? 15:39:45 you need 2.97 15:39:51 for the kernel & rtai stuff 15:39:56 ops 15:40:09 apt-get shows me other versions 15:40:18 remove them 15:40:26 ? 15:40:28 apt-get install gcc-2.97 15:40:31 ok 15:40:36 or something like that 15:40:58 2.97? 15:41:06 wtf? 15:41:44 I think 2.95... because the libc-dev require 2.95 .... 15:42:01 hi, can i make the settings for emc2 in the stepper_mm.ini or has it changed since emc1? 15:42:46 TorbaX: sorry, 2.95 is OK 15:42:50 I remembered it wrong 15:42:57 if you have 2.95, then keep it 15:43:02 PhantomX: yes, but you should copy it to a new file so it doesn't get overwritten 15:43:04 PhantomX: what do you want to change? 15:43:17 fenn: thats exactly the problem 15:43:21 it gets overwritten 15:43:34 PhantomX: what are you changing? 15:43:35 each time when i start and then close emc2 15:43:40 eww 15:43:45 PhantomX: what are you changing? 15:43:45 scale 15:43:55 change it when emc is NOT running 15:44:12 input is ok, but output gets resetted every time 15:44:15 i did 15:44:15 id like to add some tools for gcode conversion and creation. is there some linklist online ? 15:44:35 cncuser: please add them to the wiki? 15:44:53 fenn: is tehre a wiki ? 15:44:57 heh 15:44:59 wiki.linuxcnc.org 15:45:14 i have changed the stepper_mm.ini 15:45:37 fenn: ok, ill comunication ;) i ment i want to add tools to the puppy. where can i find a list. ok, in the wiki, thanks ;) 15:46:18 ah sorry i had that backwards 15:46:35 no, there's no good list of linux gcode tools 15:46:43 mainly because there are so few linux gcode tools 15:46:55 PhantomX: output is not used in emc2 afaik 15:47:01 fenn: you understood right. i wrote it down the wrong way ;) 15:47:03 and in emc1 output should be 1 afaik.. 15:47:16 there's hp2xx, cradek has some stuff, ... (tries to think of more) 15:47:25 so if output is not used, why is it resetted then? 15:47:54 because on shutdown emc is writing internal values to the ini 15:48:02 i thought input and output should be equal 15:48:02 and the internal value for output is 1 or so.. 15:48:07 cncuser: cp1 in the linuxcnc dropbox 15:48:08 fenn: well i know of cradeks tool for truetypefont engraving which woks nice. then there is the hp2xxx thingy that converts allmos all vectorformats into allmost all 15:48:13 output doesn't mean anything in emc2 15:48:22 so it shouldn't matter what number is there.. 15:48:30 afaik there is no value in the default ini 15:49:18 hmm, is it okay if i add a wikipage CncTools ? 15:49:36 how bout something more specific like CAM 15:49:59 fenn: hmm, well, there also will be simple format a to b converters for feeding into cam 15:50:06 Cam could be a subsection 15:50:28 CncTools might also be interpreted to mean the thing you put in the spindle of your machine... 15:50:46 alex_joni:ok, thanks so far 15:51:04 PhantomX has quit 15:51:09 fenn: i look at it that way: i have some pics (bitmap and vector) and some cad drawings. and like to get all into a format emc eats and feeds into my cnc. 15:51:16 jepler: ok 15:51:29 yeah that process is generally referred to as CAM 15:51:37 hmm 15:52:09 hence all the programs out there that end in "cam" 15:52:20 well, im new in this business, i think cam is the process of routing th way of the spindle 15:52:32 yep 15:52:41 so thats the last part 15:52:42 that's what you're doing when you "convert it into a format emc eats" 15:53:31 fenn: yes, but if i have a bitmap i first have to convert it into a vecotrgraphic and the feed that into a camprocessor..whatever, ok, i call it cam 15:55:29 cncuser: if the brightness in the image corresponds to the depth to cut, then you may want a tool like http://timeguy.com/cradek/image-to-gcode 15:56:20 jepler: nice. i once installed atool with a webfrontend that did this 15:56:37 i think its still online :) 15:56:40 *looking* 15:57:31 hahaha 15:57:33 really 15:57:53 jepler: any good way to do tool compensation in image-to-gcode? for 3d milling it's terrible 15:58:01 i forgot to remove it, if someone wants to try: http://box.hinternet.at/spce/ 15:58:16 i shut it down in a hour, for security :) 15:58:37 suppose you would have to calculate surface normals and offset the position by the radius of a ball nose 15:58:58 but that's a whole nother ball game 16:00:10 fenn: yeah, obviously image-to-gcode doesn't do anything like that. But you could write a program that takes an image and does the compensation, then use that as input to image-to-gcode. 16:01:34 hmm *dreaming* 16:01:49