00:16:43 <Jymmm> les_w you back?
00:38:07 <les_w> yeah just back from dinner
00:38:11 <les_w> cooked seafood
00:38:54 <les_w> watched last part of "emperor of the north"
00:39:00 <les_w> good flick
01:14:33 <Jymmm> ah cool
01:14:33 <Jymmm> you back again?
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01:28:40 <Jymmm> les_w : I followed your advice on using laytex paitn a tad watered down (milky), but as it's drying, it's getting awefully thin.
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01:52:37 <les_w> sorry phone.
01:52:46 <Jymmm> np, brb coffee
01:52:58 <les_w> it ought to be thin...kind of like a whitewash. semi transparent
01:53:03 <les_w> that looks good
01:53:16 <les_w> kind of a driftwood effect
01:53:44 <les_w> I even wipe it with a rag to get THat effect
01:58:58 <Jymmm> hmmm... thin, like milk?
01:59:10 <les_w> almost yeah
01:59:31 <les_w> on mine you can see wood grain through it when it's dry
01:59:50 <les_w> but it looks great
02:00:10 <les_w> the contrast is more than you might think after the sign is cut
02:00:26 <les_w> with a thick coat it looks like plastic
02:00:44 <les_w> play around with it and you will see
02:00:51 <Jymmm> the sign is already v-carved, filling it in now
02:00:56 <les_w> k
02:01:26 <les_w> so I slather on white wall paint thinned...
02:01:36 <les_w> then wipe it with a dry rag
02:01:46 <les_w> "driftwood" effect
02:02:00 <Jymmm> yeah, ok. I get the idea now.
02:02:05 <les_w> people seem to really likr it...
02:02:40 <Jymmm> Well I PU, then carved, so not sure how good it'll take.
02:02:57 <les_w> just have to experiment 
02:03:08 <Jymmm> yeah =)
02:03:08 <les_w> if people like it...it's good!
02:03:42 <les_w> things people like can cost very little...
02:03:53 <Jymmm> so with your driftwood effect, you apply the paint, then carve?
02:04:12 <les_w> slather, wipe, carve, PU
02:04:18 <Jymmm> I'm just trying to contrast some very dark wood is all.
02:04:53 <les_w> all the signs on my page are done that way
02:04:59 <les_w> contrast is enough
02:05:17 <les_w> too much contrast looks cheap or plastic
02:05:25 <les_w> make it look old and faded
02:05:27 <les_w> it sells
02:05:51 <Jymmm> this almost looks like a redish dk walnut
02:06:17 <Jymmm> I have the 2nd darkest stain, but wont' contrast at all
02:06:23 <les_w> well walnut is our standard wood sign material
02:06:38 <les_w> it's cheap
02:07:15 <les_w> just a very thin wipe off off white latex gives great contrast...and a faded old look
02:08:07 <les_w> make stuff look old and crafty...not new and computery
02:09:40 <Jymmm> alright, let me try it out right now...
02:10:11 <les_w> k
02:31:15 <Jymmm> ok,
02:31:40 <Jymmm> 1st try == that plastic look you talked about.  Rinsed off.
02:32:13 <Jymmm> 2nd try == a light cream thickness. has that aged appearance now.
02:32:23 <Jymmm> will see how that turns out once dry.
02:47:29 <Jymmm> well, that turned out poopy =)
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08:46:20 <alex_joni> morning all
08:49:42 <fenn> mornin
09:02:49 <SWP_Away> night
09:03:08 <fenn> half empty or half full?
09:03:24 <SWP_Away> it's winter, so we're less than half full
09:03:37 <SWP_Away> or, more full of night
09:03:55 <SWP_Away> nonetheless, it's bedtime.  good night ;)
09:04:07 <ValarQ> morning folks
09:04:21 <fenn> looks like we have a majority :)
09:04:36 <SWP_Away> well, technically it is morning
09:04:43 <SWP_Away> 4AM - time for bed
09:36:10 <alex_joni> hi ValarQ, long time no see
09:36:38 <alex_joni> think you could add a GPL note to the HAL-gui ?
09:45:27 <ValarQ> alex_joni: oh, i might
09:46:39 <ValarQ> alex_joni: should i add some note to every .py file?
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10:01:24 <cncuser> good morning folks
10:01:38 <CIA-8> 03valarq * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halgui/ (9 files): Added GPL header to halgui sources
10:01:47 <ValarQ> mornin
10:02:01 <cncuser> morining valarq
10:07:38 <alex_joni> ValarQ: thank you very much
10:09:32 <cncuser> mornign alex
10:10:42 <cncuser> alex_joni: id like to contribute to the translation of emc2, ive seen that the new config chooser hasnt been done. where can i do this ?
10:11:30 <ValarQ> can you run emc without X?
10:12:24 <cncuser> valarq: i havent tried yet
10:12:32 <cncuser> valarq: but i can, one moment
10:13:09 <ValarQ> "Your message to Emc-commit awaits moderator approval" ?
10:13:41 <cncuser> i mus choose usrmot as DISPLAY right ?
10:14:13 <ValarQ> usrmot?
10:14:45 <cncuser> Valarq: i thought you asked if i can run emc without X
10:15:19 <ValarQ> well, i want to do it myself eventually :)
10:15:43 <ValarQ> i just wondered if there was any curses or raw cli interface
10:15:59 <cncuser> Valarq: it started up. havent tried if it works
10:16:03 <cncuser> no
10:16:06 <cncuser> stop
10:16:10 <cncuser> the popup :)
10:16:26 <cncuser> the popup wants to get viewed and throws an error 
10:16:43 <cncuser> the popup shouldnt break the start
10:17:03 <ValarQ> ok
10:19:13 <cncuser>  $EMC2_TCL_DIR/bin/popimage $EMC2_IMAGEDIR/$img $imgtime &
10:19:16 <cncuser> hmmm
10:19:21 <cncuser> should break...but does
10:20:03 <cncuser> ++ /usr/src/emc2/tcl/bin/setupconfig.tcl --get-config configs/stepper/stepper_inch.ini
10:20:03 <cncuser> Xlib: connection to "localhost:0.0" refused by server
10:20:03 <cncuser> Xlib: No protocol specified
10:20:43 <cncuser> even when giving the inifile on commandline the setupconfig.tl gets into action. sorry for the missinformation. this is the one that throws the error
10:20:54 <cncuser> Application initialization failed: couldn't connect to display ":0"
10:20:54 <cncuser> Error in startup script: invalid command name "option"
10:20:54 <cncuser>     while executing
10:20:54 <cncuser> "option add *$class.borderWidth 1  100"
10:23:38 <cncuser> whats that notice about ? : *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080785d0 ***
10:25:18 <alex_joni> the couldn't connect to display I've seen before
10:25:31 <alex_joni> it usually appears when running su, and then running emc
10:25:44 <alex_joni> so the root account is not the one that started X
10:26:04 <alex_joni> the other error sounds like tcl.. not sure
10:27:17 <cncuser> alex_joni: the first error is clear, im the one who disallowed the access because of request by valarq ;) the other error is the result of this action. which answers his question if it runs without X. it doesnt.
10:27:40 <cncuser> alex_joni: what im curious about is:  *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080785d0 ***
10:27:52 <cncuser> is that bad ? should i check for another glibc version ?
10:30:45 <cncuser> id let setupconfig.tcl throw a message to stdout if it cant connect to X and let the starting of emc continue. if theres another DISPLAY then usmot configured it will throw errors, else it should put you on the emcprompt
10:32:26 <cncuser> what do i use to convert eps to gcode ? :)
10:33:11 <cncuser> found the other way :)
10:33:18 <cncuser> gcode-eps
10:34:57 <cncuser> if i could get eps into hpgl..hmmm
10:37:52 <alex_joni> I hgave no idea what that is..
10:38:00 <alex_joni> the  *** glibc detected ***
10:38:00 <alex_joni>                  double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080785d0 ***
10:38:46 <alex_joni> I'm away for a while
10:39:05 <cncuser> thanks
10:44:06 <cncuser> hmm, looks like a job for valgrind :)
10:44:20 <cncuser> never done anything with it anyone using it ?
10:48:36 <ValarQ> cncuser: i have
10:48:57 <ValarQ> cncuser: but only for checking _if_ there is a problem
10:49:34 <ValarQ> (thought the blocksize can be a hint sometimes)
11:03:58 <cncuser> Valarq: can you reproduce the output with no X and starting emc2 ?
11:04:59 <cncuser> a sorry
11:05:01 <cncuser> no
11:05:14 <cncuser> the error is visable when i start axis
11:05:19 <cncuser> hmm, maybe php
11:05:32 <cncuser> + '[' '!' -x /usr/src/emc2/bin/axis ']'
11:05:32 <cncuser> + /usr/src/emc2/bin/axis -ini /usr/src/emc2/configs/stepper/stepper_mm.ini
11:05:32 <cncuser> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080786a0 ***
11:05:32 <cncuser> new open_directory /root
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19:28:55 <fenn> this looks verrrry interesting... http://mca2.sourceforge.net/html/introduction.html
19:35:10 <rayh> no project.
19:38:51 <fenn> uh, try again?
19:39:03 <fenn> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mca2/
19:39:53 <rayh> wierd it rejected my first effort
19:46:55 <fenn> mca2 seems to be abandoned
19:49:31 <rayh> I thought it said 98% activity last week.
19:50:01 <rayh> * rayh goes off to look again.
19:50:02 <SWP_Away> is that "higher than 98%", or "98% are more active"
19:50:58 <fenn> probably higher than 98.. guess thats kinda sad huh
19:51:05 <SWP_Away> ok - I guess it's the percentile
19:51:12 <SWP_Away> (looked at the top projects page)
19:51:32 <SWP_Away> sourceforge is much like the emc project
19:51:38 <SWP_Away> lots of projects, mostly dead
19:51:49 <SWP_Away> (emc has lots of developers, mostly inactive)
19:51:49 <rayh> emc Activity Percentile (last week) : 99.37
19:52:35 <SWP_Away> the top 150 projects are all in the 99.900+ percentile
19:52:38 <rayh> I know quite a few who test from cvs regularly but don't commit much.
19:53:06 <SWP_Away> true, but that doesn't need developer access for the most part
19:53:59 <SWP_Away> wow - there are 110,199 (!) projects on sf now
19:54:31 <rayh> puts you a day behind.
19:55:06 <SWP_Away> yep
19:58:00 <fenn> woops looks like i spoke too soon, they released version 4.0 on jan. 5th
19:58:51 <SWP_Away> I noticed that
19:59:01 <SWP_Away> no activity since 2001 or something, now this :)
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20:01:55 <Jacky^> hi
20:05:57 <rayh> darn hate to have to register for an open source project.
20:06:41 <fenn> hmm?
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21:14:17 <Jacky^> rayh: hehe
21:14:43 <Jacky^> cool, register for an open source project ?
21:14:58 <Jacky^> nice news 
21:15:26 <Jacky^> its not a surprise for me
21:16:06 <Jacky^> after I read today , china government censured wikipedia in china
21:17:08 <Jacky^> im courious to see how much a long they can stop the progress 
21:18:10 <Jacky^> thats is the Real Progress .. not the bridge Berlusconi Minister want to build between Sicily island - Italy ..
21:19:01 <Jacky^> to take advantage from Mafia ..
21:19:03 <Jacky^> bah
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22:15:45 <calvino.freenode.net> Users on #emc: logger_aj websys Jacky^ jtr_ Jymmm lerman alex_joni Timbo icee ccjoe ValarQ djb_rh cradek steves_logging pc_op CIA-8 bill-xm jepler LawrenceG SWP_Away fenn @ChanServ jtr 
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22:28:35 <k4ts> hello
22:28:51 <k4ts> hi Jymmm 
22:29:08 <k4ts> hi alex
22:32:25 <Jymmm> hi k4ts
22:34:17 <k4ts> looking for a dog to buy
22:34:34 <Jymmm> k4ts buy Jacky^, hes a dawg
22:35:03 <k4ts> ih
22:35:05 <k4ts> ih
22:35:46 <k4ts> he's not for sale
22:35:58 <Jymmm> sure he is, ask him =)
22:36:05 <Jacky^> O_O
22:36:08 <Jacky^> hey
22:36:10 <Jacky^> hahaha
22:39:13 <fenn> jacky i think you would like this: http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/
22:39:19 <fenn> if you havent seen it already
22:42:17 <Jacky^> hi fenn 
22:42:20 <Jacky^> looking 
22:43:19 <Jacky^> nice :)
22:43:31 <Jacky^> bookmarked ;)
22:43:52 <fenn> wish i could find stuff like that in a dumpster
22:44:40 <fenn> or at least being able to buy one would be nice
22:48:03 <Jacky^> I already have the 400 mhz arm handheld pc running Linux you  seen in the right bottom of this photo: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller/photo/686052
22:48:21 <Jacky^> but I have not so much time to play with it :(
22:48:50 <Jacky^> anyway, I like embedded systems :)
22:52:33 <Jacky^> I suppose LART should be nice for Robots uses 
22:53:13 <fenn> yes a PDA seems kinda hard to interface to robotics
22:53:53 <Jacky^> yeah ..
22:53:55 <fenn> but what do i know
22:54:23 <Jacky^> Im using the laptop in the left side of same photos
22:54:47 <Jacky^> CPU via 1 ghz 10 " lcd 512 ram
22:55:05 <Jacky^> for this I found a very nice robot project
22:55:14 <fenn> you're wasting that on a robot?!
22:55:28 <fenn> get a 486 :{
22:55:42 <fenn> ah my moustache always shows up when i'm pinching pennies :)
22:55:53 <Jacky^> searching the url ..
23:08:11 <bill-xm> * bill-xm looks at mills.
23:08:49 <Jacky^> damn it, cant find it :(
23:09:37 <Jacky^> Ive the url in the pc desktop at my home ..
23:10:14 <alex_joni> hi all
23:10:38 <Jacky^> hi alex_joni 
23:11:12 <alex_joni> what
23:11:17 <alex_joni> what's up?
23:11:36 <Jacky^> I was looking for a robot using Linux, Mainboard via cpu 1 ghz 
23:11:42 <Jacky^> losted the url ..
23:25:53 <k4ts> night
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23:50:34 <Jymmm> Hi Les
23:50:39 <les_w> hi jymmm
23:50:59 <les_w> well dropped the red oak behind the machine shop
23:51:04 <les_w> 4 foot diameter
23:51:09 <les_w> 105 years old
23:51:15 <Jymmm> oh man
23:51:28 <les_w> the butt log has 2500 board feet of lumber.
23:51:32 <Jymmm> I'd have a hard time dropping a 100+ year old tree
23:51:39 <les_w> it was dying
23:51:46 <Jymmm> ah
23:52:04 <Jymmm> well, quit pouring arsonic on it
23:52:19 <les_w> enough red oak to do a whole house of flooring
23:52:36 <Jymmm> lol
23:52:45 <les_w> we'll cut a slab and hang it on the shop wall
23:52:56 <les_w> good tree ring history of weather etc
23:53:14 <Jymmm> toss it on the cnc, making each century
23:53:19 <les_w> then the stump grinder comes in...
23:53:19 <Jymmm> marking
23:53:38 <les_w> then prepare and pour fondation to enlarge the shop
23:53:48 <Jymmm> FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:53:59 <les_w> new rooms for electrinics lab and some of the metalworking tools
23:54:17 <Jymmm> so you finally decided to expand instead of rent/lease
23:54:26 <les_w> yeah
23:54:30 <les_w> up to a point
23:54:51 <Jymmm> sq ft ?
23:54:55 <les_w> I am not going beyond 2,000 square feet
23:55:15 <les_w> after that you have to ask yourself if you want to live at a factory
23:55:52 <Jymmm> ok, IF you lay concrete for lets say 4000 sq ft, doens't mean you have to build on it
23:55:58 <les_w> 2000 is plenty big for a small machine shop anyway
23:56:13 <Jymmm> does tractor have a home?
23:56:18 <Jymmm> indoors?
23:56:24 <les_w> yeah ina barn
23:56:37 <les_w> all 3
23:56:43 <Jymmm> you could use the extra for a rental
23:56:55 <Jymmm> or even storage
23:57:05 <les_w> I could...
23:57:26 <Jymmm> or even a staging area
23:57:33 <les_w> but I won't
23:57:39 <SWP_Away> junk^Hmemorabilia storage
23:57:53 <les_w> I don't need landlord stuff displacing engineering work right?
23:58:15 <Jymmm> les_w what about 19yo nympho tennant?
23:58:15 <SWP_Away> hmmm - $12/sf rent * 2000 sf = $24k/yr
23:58:34 <SWP_Away> $100/hour for NYMPHO TENANT!
23:58:34 <Jymmm> les_w teeth included
23:58:35 <les_w> a tenth of what the engineering business earns...
23:58:46 <SWP_Away> yeah - rent is much better
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23:59:20 <les_w> SWP consulting pays a lot better than landlord stuff I think
23:59:40 <SWPadnos> yeah, but a 19-yo nympho tenant ...
23:59:46 <les_w> heh
23:59:52 <Jymmm> ...with teeth