00:10:58 <alex_joni> yay, my new battery grip is here :D
00:12:08 <alex_joni> extra extra, read all about it : http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography
00:12:11 <alex_joni> ;-)
00:14:47 <Jacky^> hey alex_joni !
00:14:52 <Jacky^> :-)
00:15:36 <Jacky^> great
00:15:53 <Jacky^> im fighting whith manual ISO settings :/
00:16:15 <Jacky^> Im just making the photos in this way:
00:16:34 <Jacky^> made the same photo with all settings Ive
00:16:37 <Jacky^> 7 in all
00:16:44 <Jacky^> auahauauau
00:16:46 <Jacky^> :(
00:17:58 <Jacky^> I also asked for great angle option for my camera
00:18:19 <Jacky^> they sayd I just find it in a Sony Assistance Center
00:19:05 <Jacky^> tomorrow I will try again to join 2-3 photos togheter via Gimp ..
00:19:50 <Jacky^> alex_joni: http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/pozzuoli/img012.jpeg
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00:21:01 <Jacky^> thats is accidental good photo
00:21:21 <alex_joni> * alex_joni looks
00:21:47 <alex_joni> regarding ISO, keep it as low as you can..
00:22:42 <Jacky^> alex_joni: do you look at camera display to set the best  ISO settings ?
00:23:25 <Jacky^> my camera has a large display, but im not able to understand if the settings are OK looking at display 
00:23:59 <alex_joni> well.. my newer one has a display only for looking at photos after you took them ;)
00:24:06 <Jacky^> I guess more important is the experience
00:24:20 <Jacky^> mmhh. ok
00:26:04 <alex_joni> you only need higher ISO's for dark places, where you don't / can't use the flash
00:26:19 <alex_joni> the lower the ISO the better the picture, but you have longer exposure
00:26:44 <alex_joni> s/have/need/
00:26:59 <alex_joni> so if shooting in very dark rooms, you probably need something like 800 or higher
00:27:11 <alex_joni> but outside I'd use 100 if possible
00:27:41 <Jacky^> also k4ts sayd the same thing ..
00:27:43 <alex_joni> and remember for landscapes small apertures, and long exposures, to get most of the landscape focused
00:27:54 <Jacky^> she use a tradictional camera (not digital)
00:27:58 <Jacky^> :(
00:28:00 <alex_joni> small apertures (high number)
00:28:16 <alex_joni> get a traditional, and shoot a few rolls.. you'll get a better feeling :)
00:28:34 <Jacky^> it seems to me the photos I get in auto-mode are too ingray tone
00:30:24 <Jacky^> I just understood that get a good photos its difficult 
00:30:55 <alex_joni> not really.. you need some luck too
00:31:11 <alex_joni> when I was shooting film I got about 1 very good picture / roll
00:31:52 <Jacky^> your photos are good, as colours and as exposure
00:32:20 <Jacky^> at least, for what I seen mon
00:32:25 <Jacky^> ago
00:32:49 <Jacky^> with your old camera
00:33:43 <Jacky^> * Jacky^ looking again and again at the camera manual ..
00:34:15 <alex_joni> well my old camera has very good auto stuff
00:34:31 <alex_joni> it has a horrible menu for non-auto stuff, so I didn't use that very often
00:36:11 <Jacky^> Im just using auto mode for now ..
00:36:37 <alex_joni> when you get used to that, try shooting in Av (if your cam has that)
00:37:02 <alex_joni> that's just like a film camera, you had to set the shutter for the older ones
00:37:24 <alex_joni> at first set the shutter so you get around 1/125 - 1/500 exposures
00:37:30 <alex_joni> should be good for most situations
00:37:39 <Jacky^> ty :)
00:37:47 <alex_joni> if you want to blur some motion get something like 1/60
00:38:02 <alex_joni> if you want to freeze some sports, or other actions 1/1000 or higher
00:38:11 <alex_joni> oh, and get a good book about this ;)
00:38:22 <Jacky^> :P
00:38:35 <alex_joni> I got a very nice intro book from National Geographics
00:38:36 <Jacky^> yeah I read something about it on user manual
00:38:48 <alex_joni> was about 10-15 EUR iirc
00:39:03 <alex_joni> very nice, and covers most situations with examples and info
00:39:49 <Jacky^> nice ;P
00:40:52 <alex_joni> it's Peter K. Burian , the big National Geographic Photo-Guide
00:40:56 <alex_joni> 20 EUR
00:41:16 <Jacky^> thats is good price :)
00:41:57 <alex_joni> might find it translated to italian
00:42:36 <Jacky^> that would be nice too, thanks :)
00:43:28 <alex_joni> I have the ISBN, but I think that's the german version
00:43:43 <alex_joni> ISBN 3-934385-41-9
00:44:14 <Jacky^> mm, no. Im far away from german.. I just know some word of english ..
00:44:26 <Jacky^> dont worry ;)
00:44:32 <Jymmm> http://danheller.com/
00:45:14 <alex_joni> http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/gallery.asp?memberID=69365
00:47:30 <Jacky^> hey Jymmm :-)
00:48:45 <Jacky^> * Jacky^ bookmarking 
00:48:48 <Jacky^> hehe
00:48:56 <Jacky^> alex_joni: cool :)
00:50:54 <alex_joni> Jymmm's link is nice too
00:51:41 <Jymmm> it's extremely content rich
00:52:21 <alex_joni> takes a while to swallow
00:54:16 <alex_joni> Jacky^: get a few books and read..
00:54:23 <Jacky^> alex_joni: k4ts have a Minolta Camera
00:54:29 <alex_joni> probably you can find stuff online aswell, keep looking
00:54:33 <alex_joni> what's yours?
00:54:52 <Jacky^> Sony DSC-S60
00:54:57 <alex_joni> nice..
00:55:13 <alex_joni> Jymmm: like my battery grip ? 
00:56:46 <Jymmm> didnt look
00:56:49 <alex_joni> Jacky^: http://www.campusi.com/bookFind/asp/bookFindPriceLst.asp?prodId=3934385419
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00:58:52 <Jacky^> alex_joni: good, I will found it tomnorrow here around :)
00:59:24 <alex_joni> I see dan Heller has a few tutorials... try reading those ;)
00:59:28 <alex_joni> http://danheller.com/techfaq.html
01:00:45 <Jacky^> :P
01:01:03 <alex_joni> http://www.photozone.de/4Technique/index.html <- this seems very nice too
01:01:07 <alex_joni> I'll read it tomorrow
01:01:11 <alex_joni> off to bed now..
01:01:20 <alex_joni> night all
01:04:35 <Jacky^> night alex_joni 
01:04:42 <Jymmm> G'Night alex_joni
01:15:28 <Jacky^> Jymmm: whats about the latest earthquake there , have you heard it ?
01:16:05 <Jacky^> I just seen the news on the web 
01:18:08 <Jacky^> I also read about the criminal woman will be executed in California soon 
01:18:37 <Jacky^> Terminator said theres no hope ..
01:19:05 <Jacky^> Im afraid 
01:19:49 <Jacky^> I really cant understand where Justice want to go today
01:20:09 <Jacky^> I just hope something will change
01:22:12 <Jacky^> the blood isnt the answer to our problems
01:23:44 <Jacky^> night
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02:52:27 <Jymmm> les_w: This looks interesting for what it is -->  http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=95-430
02:52:29 <Jymmm> *****
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04:35:00 <fenn> ooo not just a flat disk.. a _machined aluminum_ flat disk!
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07:06:59 <Jymmm> fenn yep, and fuzzy too
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11:39:04 <fenn> your hack-n-snack link of the day: http://sprite.student.utwente.nl/~jeroen/projects/mouseeye/
11:56:01 <alex_joni> morning all
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12:22:58 <cncuser> hi everybody :)
12:23:09 <cncuser> i just compiled emc2 :)
12:23:27 <cncuser> woow, nice work, i love the new configurationselector :)
12:37:33 <cncuser> hmm, the LANG environmental variable doesnt get in effect
12:37:40 <cncuser> lets see :)
12:54:51 <cncuser> hmm, well. i may have some error in my setup.
12:55:41 <cncuser> running emc without arguements and with a configfile supplied does result in no change of localisation
12:57:11 <cncuser> also the shutdown seems to be really slow... at least in my qemu session ;)
12:57:57 <cncuser> i havent seen the shutdown complete for 15 minutes... i havent seen it complete ever since i tried the current cvs 1 hour ago :)
13:26:25 <cncuser> ok, it shutet down :)
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13:31:59 <skunkworks> has anyone been following the stepper issue on the sourceforge list? gene hasket I think.
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14:25:03 <Jacky^> hello
14:25:14 <cncuser> hi jacky
14:25:29 <Jacky^> hi cncuser 
14:28:00 <Jacky^> got an earthquake shock 6.7 Richter in Greece at 12:35
14:28:19 <Jacky^> we have heard it on center Italy :/
14:28:42 <Jacky^> damn earth .. is moving too much 
14:29:26 <cncuser> jacky: hehe
14:32:16 <cncuser> i got an unknown option "-arcradius" when trying to run axis. any hint what im missing ?
14:37:52 <skunkworks> have you installed axis befor or is this the first time?  emc2?
14:38:02 <skunkworks> I love axis:)
14:38:37 <cncuser> skunkworks: i installed it before, but right now am building the complete environment by hand.
14:39:17 <skunkworks> eww - no help here.  I just follow the directions on axis's site to install on the bdi 4.3.  works great
14:39:25 <cncuser> yep
14:39:26 <skunkworks> (not a linux person)
14:39:37 <cncuser> im also not a native linuxperson
14:39:41 <cncuser> im human
14:39:45 <skunkworks> ;)
14:41:05 <jepler> cncuser: "-arcradius" should be recognized and handled by the code in thirdparty/bwidget/notebook.tcl
14:41:26 <cncuser> hi jepler
14:41:29 <jepler> hi cncuser
14:41:40 <cncuser> jepler: hmm, yes..there it hangs.. notebook...
14:41:43 <jepler> do you want to send me the complete error message?
14:41:52 <cncuser> jepler: shure, one moment
14:42:49 <jepler> cncuser: you could also try removing the line about -arcradius from axis.nf or axis.tcl; the effect of -arcradius is only cosmetic, not functional.
14:43:10 <cncuser> ok, lets see
14:43:11 <jepler> NoteBook ${pane_top}.tabs \
14:43:13 <jepler>         -borderwidth 2
14:43:31 <jepler> cncuser: which version of axis are you trying to build?  1.1 or CVS?
14:43:43 <cncuser> jepler: 1.1
14:43:54 <jepler> OK, then those lines are in axis.nf.
14:44:06 <cncuser> jepler: but its for the puppysit devel so if you think i should use cvs ill do
14:44:12 <cncuser> im allmost finished btw :)))
14:45:05 <jepler> well, if you want a German translation then you'd have to use CVS.  Otherwise, there's not much difference between 1.1 and CVS yet.
14:45:19 <cncuser> hmm, ok, then i go for the cvs :)
14:45:25 <jepler> 1.1.1 is probably going to be released later this week with a few small bugfixes.
14:46:16 <jepler> oh, and in 1.1, the NoteBook line doesn't say ${pane_top}, it says something slightly different
14:48:32 <cncuser> should i paste the error in here ?
14:48:44 <jepler> can you do it in a private message?
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14:56:00 <ottos> hello all...
14:57:57 <jepler> good morning
15:00:45 <cncuser> good morning ottos
15:00:47 <Jacky^> hi
15:08:01 <alex_joni> morning all
15:08:35 <Jacky^> hi alex_joni 
15:09:15 <alex_joni> what's up Jacky^ ?
15:10:59 <Jacky^> well, tryng to get Pandora working .. I had some issue compiling the tarball and GTK
15:11:17 <alex_joni> don't open the box
15:11:26 <Jacky^> now swithing to Hugin, to create panoramic photos
15:11:43 <Jacky^> got a lots of error tryng to compile it
15:12:04 <Jacky^> Im tired to reboot in windows anytime to create a panoramic 
15:12:36 <Jacky^> I added deb in apt for Hugin, may im now ableto get it , going to try ..
15:14:28 <CIA-1> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/task/ (emccanon.cc emctaskmain.cc): now both EMMOTION_* and EMC_AUX_* get to motion, they only get issued at different moments. M62/M63 are synched with motion, and are not marked 'now', M64/M65 are issued right after the command gets to motion.
15:15:49 <ottos> does anyone know how to reverse the encodign on quadruple encoder...and keep the rotation the same?
15:16:31 <CIA-1> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/emcmotcfg.h: added EMCMOT_MAX_DIO define for motion synched IO's
15:16:47 <alex_joni> ottos: how do you mean that?
15:17:59 <cncuser> good morning alex
15:18:00 <ottos> well. I've finally installed emc bdi with motenc.. alll ok however +V results in negative enc feed rate...when reversing direction in the servo amp, it flips the enc. as well..
15:19:01 <CIA-1> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/ (motion.c mot_priv.h): added hal pins for motion synched digital outs
15:19:01 <alex_joni> inverse the scale
15:19:11 <ottos> how?
15:19:24 <alex_joni> in the ini: say : SCALE -xxx
15:19:35 <alex_joni> don't have in mind the exact namings..
15:19:47 <alex_joni> just put a - in front of the axis scale number
15:19:53 <alex_joni> the first number iirc
15:20:25 <ottos> ok.. will try... 
15:20:27 <CIA-1> 03paul_c 07wps_multiplat_dev_branch * 10rcslib/src/cms/tcpmem.cc: 
15:20:27 <CIA-1> Fixed an error in the setting of the timeval struct in reconnect(). As it stood,
15:20:27 <CIA-1> it ended up being the fractional part of timeout raised to 1e6 resulting in
15:20:27 <CIA-1> anything from zero to several days - Probably not what was intended !
15:22:16 <cncuser> puppysit devel edition is allmost finished....the axis part should be complete within this day i hope. http://box.hinternet.at/puppysit-mastering-howto.abw , havent put together the scripts till now.
15:22:51 <alex_joni> cncuser: hi there
15:23:09 <alex_joni> did you get a chance to look why pupisit has the problems, and the first iso didn't ?
15:23:52 <cncuser> alex_ joni: i tried it on a few computers, had no problems getin X running. no i didnt look any more
15:24:41 <cncuser> alex_ joni: the new puppy also has xorg as a possible Xsevrer so the chance to get it running are allmost doubled ;)
15:25:21 <alex_joni> well.. I only know that a few people reported problems with it
15:25:22 <CIA-1> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/command.c: final part to make M62..65 work, they work now as described
15:27:11 <CIA-1> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/kinematics/tp.c: added function call to emcmotAioWrite() which doesn't do anything for now, but makes it easier to extend later on
15:28:39 <cncuser> alex_joni: i focus on the develrelease. for the last releases where kind a hacks. i cant even reproduce them :( the new release has a allmost automated buildsystem. reduces errors intorduced by the idiot sitting infront of my screen. ;)
15:30:40 <alex_joni> sounds great :)
15:30:58 <alex_joni> did you like the new emc2 config stuff?
15:31:21 <cncuser> yes its great
15:31:32 <cncuser> <cncuser> i just compiled emc2 :)
15:31:33 <cncuser> <cncuser> woow, nice work, i love the new configurationselector :)
15:32:20 <skunkworks> so if I run emc2 without a ini described - a menu will come up?
15:32:23 <alex_joni> cncuser: check out the new halconfig.tcl stuff, ray has been working on
15:32:28 <alex_joni> skunkworks: yes
15:32:33 <skunkworks> nice
15:32:41 <alex_joni> skunkworks: and it will ask you to choose a config you like to run
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15:33:56 <skunkworks> very nice - I has been a week or two - I need to update emc2 and axis
15:34:44 <ottos> alex_joni, thank you it worked, nod the PID works...btw do you any one who installed emc in servo torque mode..?
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15:45:45 <rayh> logger_aj: bookmark
15:45:45 <rayh> See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-01-08#T15-45-45
15:51:15 <rayh> ottos: asked "servo torque mode"
15:51:28 <rayh> The Mazak at Cardinal runs in that mode.
15:52:31 <rayh> Including the spindle unless you are orienting or (cutting threads when that happens.)
15:53:28 <jmk_sleep> ray: not true (at least for the spindle).  the spindle drive has an internal velocity loop, using motor the analog tach for speed feedback
15:53:55 <rayh> thanks jmk  sorry for the error.
15:54:33 <rayh> guess I was thinking of the first attempts to run it without tach.
15:56:03 <rayh> btw for all his protestations that he is a tuning amateur, jmk_sleep did a very nice job of tuning on that machine using halscope and intuition.
15:56:56 <alex_joni> morning john
15:57:28 <jmk_sleep> many hours of trial and error mostly... I can only tune when I am sitting in front of the scope and machine, I'm hopeless at helping others to tune
15:57:31 <jmk_sleep> hi alex
15:57:38 <jmk_sleep> I guess I should de-lurk
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15:59:44 <alex_joni> well, I finished with M62..65
15:59:54 <jmkasunich> saw the commits - great work
16:00:00 <rayh> Can anyone report on installing BDI-4.38
16:00:11 <alex_joni> rayh: not yet :(
16:00:16 <alex_joni> but I plan to soon..
16:00:19 <rayh> Had a report of it not finding a cdrom drive.
16:01:33 <alex_joni> after install? or during :D hope it was not the one where it was stuck in...
16:01:57 <rayh> No after the install using the drive, it didn't recognize the drive.
16:02:21 <rayh> Not the bent paperclip solution.
16:03:10 <alex_joni> I was thinking of extending M62..65 with a command the other way around
16:03:25 <jmkasunich> ?
16:03:26 <alex_joni> have some inputs that can be read from M codes in the interp
16:03:51 <jmkasunich> but what would you do once you read them?  branching or something>
16:03:55 <jmkasunich> s/>/?
16:04:07 <alex_joni> then with ken lerman's functions and if/then you could do some basic stuff
16:04:16 <rayh> I would like to see option stop and skip block implemented.
16:04:22 <rayh> they would need to go that way.
16:04:50 <jmkasunich> question: are we getting ahead of ourselves?  these sound like version 2.1 or 2.2 things
16:05:04 <alex_joni> even if you say: if input xx, call function yy
16:05:11 <alex_joni> jmkasunich: you are right, not for this release
16:05:19 <alex_joni> thinking a bit ahead ;)
16:05:22 <jmkasunich> (the work that alex already did is very good for this release)
16:05:38 <alex_joni> he says without even looking at it .. :P
16:05:50 <alex_joni> but I'm glad for the vote of confidence ;)
16:06:11 <rayh> Well the two I mentioned were implemented in the K&T test long ago but have not been active since.
16:06:26 <jmkasunich> I was referring to the fact that getting M62, etc working is appropriate for version 2.0, not to the quality of the work ;-P
16:06:34 <rayh> I'm up for 2.2
16:07:05 <alex_joni> we need to get to 2.6, that seems to be current ;)
16:08:36 <ottos> bdi 4.38 not recognising serial mouse...
16:10:05 <alex_joni> jmkasunich, rayh : please add a short notice of what you do to emc2/docs/NEWS
16:10:13 <rayh> thanks for that ottos 
16:10:32 <rayh> oh okay.
16:10:32 <alex_joni> jmkasunich: for example when you added the setup config tcl
16:10:39 <alex_joni> rayh: and your halconfig.tcl ;)
16:10:54 <alex_joni> it makes it easier to have a release log ready..
16:12:33 <cradek> hi all
16:12:38 <alex_joni> morning chris
16:13:20 <CIA-1> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/docs/NEWS: described the recent progress, probably I missed some.. please look yourselves
16:16:45 <CIA-1> 03rayhenry * 10emc2/docs/NEWS: halconfig.tcl notice
16:19:25 <rayh> speaking of halconfig.tcl I'd like a bit of input on save.
16:20:03 <alex_joni> 17:23 < CIA-1> paul_c wps_multiplat_dev_branch * rcslib/src/cms/tcpmem.cc:
16:20:03 <alex_joni> 17:23 < CIA-1> Fixed an error in the setting of the timeval struct in
16:20:03 <alex_joni>                reconnect(). As it stood,
16:20:04 <alex_joni> 17:23 < CIA-1> it ended up being the fractional part of timeout raised to 1e6
16:20:04 <alex_joni>                resulting in
16:20:06 <alex_joni> 17:23 < CIA-1> anything from zero to several days - Probably not what was
16:20:20 <alex_joni> darn, not what I wanted...
16:21:47 <cradek> didn't know there was an active branch there
16:22:31 <cradek> although I still don't see the change in webcvs.
16:22:32 <alex_joni> me neither
16:23:42 <rayh> wps_multiplat_dev_branch is will shakelford's work.
16:24:28 <cradek> the change is 4.35.2.26
16:24:54 <rayh> Sometime back he built an xml interface to rt so that nist could build an automated welding cell that folk could check status using a web browser.
16:25:22 <ottos> rayh: would you have any details on the servo torque mode on the mazak? .ini anything..?
16:25:51 <cradek> paul's change fixes a definite bug
16:25:59 <rayh> All of the tuning stuff is in emc2/configs/mazak
16:26:02 <alex_joni> is that in HEAD aswell?
16:26:24 <rayh> Don't think you can start it up but you can look at the values assigned by jmk.
16:27:00 <rayh> the most relevant ones would be param pid.x.xxxx
16:27:39 <cradek> alex_joni: yes HEAD is wrong
16:28:00 <alex_joni> odd to fix only the branch then..
16:28:48 <cradek> maybe he just hasn't done HEAD yet
16:29:11 <cradek> or didn't notice -- the code looks different
16:29:29 <alex_joni> it's not in emc2, probably not used in normal emc1 either
16:30:00 <cradek> TCPMEM::reconnect
16:30:07 <cradek> (no idea what it is)
16:30:50 <alex_joni> the reconnect to the TCP mem, seems clear to me ;)
16:30:54 <rayh> looks like paul caught on to what will was trying to do.
16:31:29 <rayh> I built this branch a while back and tried out some of the tcp stuff.
16:31:45 <ottos> is linuxcnc.org down?
16:32:31 <alex_joni> doesn't work from here..
16:32:37 <ottos> hmmm...
16:33:17 <rayh> seems to be down.  Where's steves_logging when you really need him?
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16:35:06 <CIA-1> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/docs/NEWS: a few more adds
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16:41:29 <cradek> bbl
16:42:43 <Jacky^> mmmmhh
16:42:58 <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/pozzuoli.jpg
16:43:20 <Jacky^> I got Hugin working
16:43:41 <Jacky^> but .. too much exposure errors :/
16:44:00 <Jacky^> * Jacky^ wonder if gimp can correct it 
16:55:16 <alex_joni> bbl
17:00:51 <CIA-1> 03paul_c * 10rcslib/src/cms/tcpmem.cc: See commit log for rev. 4.35.2.26 - Confirmed as a bug by WPS.
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17:20:49 <rayh_away> Jacky^ wonder if gimp can correct it gimp -> layers -> curve