00:09:38 * robin_sz buys another part of his "plate loader" jigsaw 00:09:49 Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow 00:09:49 Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm 00:10:56 vacuum pump ... 00:12:00 laser jigsaw.. heh 00:28:48 bah 00:28:59 * Jymmm hates saws! 00:29:12 ok, hates cheap saws 00:29:25 too much chipout =( 00:29:51 :) 00:31:23 night 00:31:33 Jacky^ has quit 00:33:18 night 00:34:11 k4ts has quit 00:48:38 robin_sz has quit 00:56:04 hello 02:02:59 alex_joni_ has joined #emc 02:46:18 hi 02:47:16 hi 02:50:22 bit tired and slow tonight 02:50:33 how did you know? 02:50:44 I was talking about ME! 02:51:08 :P 02:51:10 I know ,) 02:51:54 You know how every one in a while, dead goes by so fast, and other times, time just drags out? Well... I think someone is just fucking with us and speeding up/slowing down time. 02:52:05 s/dead/time/ 02:52:18 it's a bug in the computer simulation we live in 02:52:22 FO? 02:52:30 FO? 02:52:35 feed override 02:52:41 heh 02:52:46 can be triggered with a NML message 02:52:51 No, I mean the big clock on the sky 02:53:06 yes, and I mean what cradek said 02:53:11 it's all time dilation, can be easily explained by relativity 02:53:24 oh shit, didnt even see ya chris 02:53:36 hi 02:53:41 hello 02:54:00 fenn: so it is feed override.. 02:54:30 http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/emc/screenshots/coming-in-a-little-hot.png 02:54:58 E!=mc² 02:56:06 side view: http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/emc/screenshots/lightspeed-side.png 02:57:23 fenn your top secret project.... building a space shuttle 02:57:49 nah that's kid stuff :{ 03:01:54 Jymmm: E=mc2 ;) 03:02:28 mc*2 since when? 03:02:41 since emc2 03:02:53 E=mc² ! E=mc2 03:05:08 oh how did you do that superscript? 03:05:22 it's underscript here 03:05:24 hi les 03:05:27 COMPOSE ^ 2 03:05:28 hi 03:05:43 ok. e=mc^2 03:05:44 so 03:05:52 no mc² 03:06:00 How much energy is in your body right now? 03:06:22 1 µJ 03:06:35 let's see 03:06:44 les_w it'll cost ya 99¢ 03:07:01 how about 10^10 joules? 03:07:08 oops 03:07:12 10^18 03:07:13 Inquiring minds want to know ® 03:07:14 duh 03:07:33 10^18 watt seconds 03:07:33 les_w ok, well have a ½ off sale 03:07:37 Jymmm: ok ok, sheesh 03:07:45 cradek what?! 03:08:00 about enough to vaporize a solar system. 03:08:09 les_w: why can I hardly stay awake? 03:08:10 do you feel....energetic? 03:08:12 03alex_joni * 10emc/scripts/generic/readme: 03:08:12 Update of the readme, it was a bit out of date. 03:08:12 This is the file that gets released with new tgz's.. 03:08:12 It now holds instructions for install from sources and from bin, 03:08:12 along with a list of recent changes.. 03:08:13 Any future changes to emc1, please append to that list. 03:08:23 * alex_joni_ feels energetic 03:08:36 les_w I'm copy n pasting them =) 03:08:42 yay alex 03:08:44 but I don't if I consider when I'll wake up.. 03:08:58 and I'm not even asleep yet :) 03:09:00 Jymmm: you can type them if you configure your X correctly 03:09:06 cradek, you are getting sleeeepy...sleeeepy.... 03:09:19 Jymmm: you use the compose key 03:09:33 Jymmm: aka "multi" key 03:09:38 les_w: did you study the simple_TP ? 03:10:02 subscripts, superscripts, integral signs and such would be good. 03:10:12 doesn't have any of that 03:10:14 I did study some code yes 03:10:21 just ² and ³ I think 03:10:22 how does it read? 03:11:15 Well, I think the whole course/fine (sub) interpolate thing is kinda weird 03:11:55 to do polynomial splines in tp would require a different queue structure 03:12:00 possible I guess 03:12:41 les_w: that's easy once you have the splines 03:13:30 cradek: care for some splines? 03:14:11 I think I could easily (?) make emc follow them with exact stops at the end. 03:14:25 the whole blend/subinterpolate thing is a vestige of times long ago whan computational power was low I think 03:14:43 now you just spline up period 03:16:11 but then when was the emc core code written? 03:16:19 les ever heard of a pythagoras-hodograph curve? 03:16:19 10-12 years ago? 03:16:45 vaguely fenn but I don't remember 03:20:20 A while back I tried proving the pythagorean theorem like he did...with no analytical geometry. Just with some sticks. A purely geometric mathematical proof. 03:20:32 it was not easy! 03:20:40 took me a couple hours 03:20:57 those ancients were damn smart! 03:21:09 try it some time. 03:21:19 how do you add the areas together? 03:21:45 did you say ancients? 03:21:48 you have to prove a skew first. 03:21:51 yeah 03:21:55 they built the stargates you know... 03:21:59 heh 03:22:31 lots of java applets on geometrical proofs 03:22:47 but just try it without looking at them for clues 03:22:49 yuck 03:22:52 not easy!!! 03:23:17 there are some proofs shown here: http://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/index.shtml 03:23:26 i dont know how to prove anything, much less do it without any words 03:24:11 hi jeff 03:24:52 jeff, now you know. But try it without those learning aids 03:25:00 it was hard 03:25:05 for me at least 03:25:47 les_w: is the proof you found similar to any of the ones on this page? I think I'd be most likely to find proof 3 or 4 myself. 03:26:23 but I can believe the "ancients" were very smart. I was much smarter a few years ago than I am now, and just imagine how smart I would have been 2000 years ago if you do a linear regression... 03:26:38 proof 3 is the easiest. No I did not do it that way. I could not see it or didn't think of it. 03:26:47 I proved a skew first. 03:26:56 jepler: lol 03:26:57 I did it the hard way I guess 03:28:15 proof #3 is brilliant 03:28:49 man there are a lot of proofs here 03:29:13 my question: is the idea of the Pythagorean Theorem somehow enhanced by another correct proof? 03:29:17 It is weird to think of the ancients being as smart as us or smarter, but being at the total mercy of their enviroment....dying in 20 years 03:30:07 I did the skew proof first. I did not need to though. I just didn't see any other way 03:30:17 aieee.. too many ;) 03:30:27 but #3 is great 03:30:30 I'm no Pythagorous! 03:30:39 I think he did #3 03:30:40 4,5 are just a bit different 03:31:24 yeah 03:31:55 I wonder how many of those actually use knowledge that pythagora didn't have.. 03:32:44 like area of a triangle.. did he know that already? or discover it later? 03:32:53 les_w grab me when your not busy 03:33:04 I just see it as pre and post calculus. Kepler spent a lifetime trying to come up with a geometric model of what the calculus does. 03:33:39 calculus===industrial revolution and us living longer than 20 years 03:36:43 If the ancients had figured out the calculus we would be living on alpha centauri 03:36:50 or near... 03:36:51 haha 03:37:29 In a galaxy far far away.... 03:38:34 les_w: I assume there was something like a normal distribution of intelligence, just like now, and we have surviving works from the very brightest 03:38:47 like today, I bet there were many, many dull-witted people... 03:39:38 Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow 03:39:38 Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm 03:40:17 cradek. I think about one dozen individuals were responsible for humans going from caves to the moon. 03:40:22 if that many 03:40:40 I think there are caves on the moon 03:40:48 big big spread in human cognitive ability 03:40:54 alex: hahahaha 03:41:05 so it's just like going to other caves 03:41:08 ROFL 03:41:14 heh 03:41:21 les_w: why do you think there is such a large distribution? 03:41:41 hmm... 03:41:43 i mean in both senses, why you think that, and what is the mechanism behind it 03:42:39 I thought about that some with the pythagoran thing with sticks 03:42:47 les_w when your cutting your sign blanks, how do prevent chipout? 03:42:57 I showed other people and they did not understand 03:43:07 they just saw a pile of sticks. 03:43:33 chipout where? 03:44:20 Jymmm: duct tape :) 03:44:27 or maybe packing tape 03:44:32 fenn tried that, didn't work 03:44:41 les_w my cut pieces 03:44:57 good idea though...I have glued paper to the surface...sand off later 03:45:27 les_w how have you been doing it so far for your sign blanks? 03:45:28 jymmm get a better saw blade.. more teeth, sharper rake angles 03:46:28 my mitersaw is 60T but I need some way to "fill" the crevice to prevent bottom chipout 03:46:30 you could try cutting from both sides, finishing in the middle 03:46:39 fenn eeeeeeeeeeeww 03:46:42 I stopped using paper when I found that if I just left the filler coats on the wood it would hold the fibers in place 03:47:07 les_w filler coat, you mentioned that once before, what is it? 03:47:29 water based acrylic pore filler 03:47:45 clear? 03:47:49 dries clear? 03:47:54 basically . 03:47:58 are you using a sliding miter saw or a "chop saw"? 03:48:04 slight haze 03:48:16 fenn chop, lil dinky thing, 8.5" blade 03:48:58 funny. We cut turkey call planks with a chain saw! 03:49:19 you know the hole in miter saws where the blade goes after it'ds thru the material.... mine is about 1/2" wide and about 6" long, any idea on what I could fill that with? 03:49:23 The cnc does the final edge trimming 03:49:44 les_w thats what I've been doing, but can't this time. 03:49:48 jymmm: bondo? 03:50:14 les_w can I hit the bondo with the blade or will it fubar my blade? 03:50:36 bondo is thermoset resin filled with talc, it should be fine 03:50:53 It won't hurt it for one quick slice 03:50:54 dont know how you will get it flat enough though 03:51:14 ok, my saw is painted cast iron should stick 03:51:52 fenn flat enough? just run a straight edge across it beefore it dries hard 03:52:05 i'd sugest casting it upside down actually 03:52:27 unless you do multiple coats of bondo 03:52:34 it tends to sag a little after you scrape it 03:52:55 all the newer saws have a replacable plastic piece, this is OLD 03:53:07 it is unsaturated polyester/styrene thermoset catalyzed with benzoyl peroxide or methyl ethyl ketone peroxide. 03:53:22 what does the peroxide do? 03:53:41 filled with talc, clay, microballons, or chopped glass 03:53:47 creates a free radical on the monomer probably 03:54:11 catalyst 03:54:17 ah 03:54:34 the stuff in the little tube... 03:54:41 smelly stuff 03:54:53 it's the styrene 03:55:04 smelly and bad to breathe 03:55:05 no the mek peroxide smells worse, and you cant wash it off 03:55:16 heh 03:55:52 jymmm why not just plunk a board down on the table? 03:55:54 I got sick last time I mixed up a bunch. Had poor ventilation. 03:55:58 I'll have to take a pic of my saw, 03:56:28 i used to use bondo resin for casting miniature models in my dorm room.. everyone thought i was making drugs 03:56:33 fenn at 90 deg the limit is 5.5", guess the width of the stuff I need to cut is? 03:56:59 5.51 03:57:06 uh, 1"? 03:57:08 exatly =) 03:57:12 5.5" 03:57:23 if I rasi it up, it'll be a tad short. 03:57:41 get a sawblade attachment for your router 03:58:04 you'll be the only kid on the block with a cnc jigsaw 03:58:24 lol 03:58:38 I'd rather have a 150 watt laser 03:59:23 excuse me a sec, brb 03:59:27 Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole 04:00:11 ? 04:00:13 MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm 04:00:32 les_w one of my alter egos 04:00:39 ha 04:00:50 had to bitchslap someone in antoher channel 04:01:09 I just finished playng trivial pursuit on paltalk. 04:01:20 night #2 huh? 04:01:27 I seem to do very well at that game. 04:01:38 I guess I am really trivial. 04:02:16 I always did shitty at it 04:02:46 I was always good at that and monopoly. 04:03:14 I'm just good at giving ppl a hard time 04:03:28 deviced a 3 decker monopoly with slum, middle class, and rich layers. 04:03:36 lol 04:04:01 wiht a express shuttle from the hookville to the lawyerville? 04:04:08 We had an anything goes monopoly too. 04:04:33 wiht a express shuttle from Hookerville to LawyerTown? 04:04:57 lie, cheat, loan shark, steal from the bank, dog ear chance and community chest cards 04:05:24 loan shark? 04:05:25 beer was involved too. 04:05:34 yeah!!! 04:05:47 how do you loan shark in monopoly? 04:06:14 need money? I'll loan it. 100% interest each time you pass go. 04:06:29 break theri legs on the playing piece? 04:06:35 hahaha 04:08:24 les_w but really, is it just my cheap saw(s), or something else to prevent chipout, like on mitered pieces, such as a picture frame. 04:08:33 no legs on mine. I was always the top hat token. 04:08:48 poor lil toto 04:09:21 for starters just try gluing some paper on 04:09:42 butcher paper? 04:09:45 it works. 04:10:05 you have to realize that I dont have the space/area to glue on and sand off like that. 04:10:06 printer paper with elmer's 04:10:36 well, try packing tape 04:10:54 I did masking tape on the piece that I had already PU'es, but still had tiny chipout. 04:11:02 PU'ed 04:11:09 micro chipout 04:11:23 masking tape is designed not to stick well 04:11:30 try other tapes 04:11:46 would a sliding computer miter saw do better? 04:11:56 heh 04:12:17 ooops, I'm tired tonight.... compound 04:12:44 scoring before cutting works wonders too 04:12:54 dewalt has one, the blade alone of $120 04:13:54 yeah good blades cost about $100 04:14:04 forrest is the very best 04:15:23 http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/tool_detail.asp?productID=9793 04:16:42 steves_logging has joined #emc 04:22:59 does anything disolve bond once cured? 04:23:27 usually a bond-girl 04:23:47 and a martini 04:23:50 doh.... bondo 04:24:03 what's bondo? 04:24:12 car body filler 04:24:16 no idea ;) 04:24:27 but I liked the bond stuff :D 04:25:07 yeah 04:25:27 it's official ;) 04:25:33 a new EMC has been released 04:25:35 you're pregnant? 04:25:43 Jymmm: no 04:26:14 alex_joni congrats to the you and the father! 04:26:31 I think chris is the father 04:26:33 ROFL 04:26:44 well that's sure a surprise 04:27:06 see.. told you, you should have used some firewall :) 04:27:11 or any kind of protection 04:27:13 :P 04:27:16 but I trusted you 04:27:27 I don't know how it happened... :( 04:27:35 oh I know how it happened 04:27:45 you do? :-O 04:27:52 don't tell ... :-x 04:27:58 ok then 04:30:03 I'm off to bed 04:30:12 hope I won't have any more surprises :D 04:31:05 goodnight 04:31:12 I'll finish the tags before bed 04:31:23 before I go.. can you download for a test, and see if it's ok? 04:31:46 sure 04:31:49 the size seems wrong :/ 04:32:15 I am trying that too.. but it's slow 04:33:48 I can't seem to download it 04:33:52 I don't think it's on the mirrors yet 04:34:20 50% downloaded here 04:34:29 http://ovh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/emc/emc-1.2.0-rc1.src.tgz 04:35:10 aha 04:35:38 are you gonna do a news item? 04:35:48 rcslib/src/java/rcsdesign/AlertDialog.java 04:35:48 tar: Unexpected EOF in archive 04:35:48 tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now 04:35:48 sure fenn.. 04:35:53 it's borked :( 04:35:54 alex_joni_: bad upload 04:35:57 yeah 04:35:59 I'll upload again 04:36:04 not the upload the problem :( 04:36:15 when releasing you ftp it up, 04:36:25 and from the web interface you connect it to a release 04:36:36 I think I did that before the upload was finished :/ 04:37:09 tags done 04:38:13 uploading again 04:38:29 is the sun coming up yet? 04:38:46 not yet.. I might outrun it 04:39:16 do you want to mirror the tar file on cncgear? 04:39:29 SWPadnos: no thanks 04:39:32 ok 04:39:46 sf has plenty of mirrors 04:39:50 if it's on SF.. they have plenty of mirrors 04:39:59 ok - I hear sf has lots of mirrors 04:40:08 lol 04:40:11 alex_joni the other surprises will come in the form of morning sickness 04:40:11 the thing about sf is they have a lot of mirrors 04:40:19 great minds.. think alike 04:40:25 so you can never tell which is the real one, huh? 04:40:38 no, but there are plenty 04:40:52 the real one will bonk you on the head 04:41:57 almost there... 04:42:06 what about docs? 04:42:18 those will follow 04:44:11 should be ok now... 04:44:16 who can check? 04:44:36 from the url above? 04:44:45 not yet 04:44:53 http://osdn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/emc/emc-1.2.0-rc1.src.tgz 04:45:04 but there are plenty of mirrors 04:45:28 they don't have the file though :) 04:45:55 ok, 2690k (vs 2260k for the earlier one) 04:46:27 does it untar? 04:46:28 total of 1239 files in the tar (that may include dirs, I'm not sure) 04:47:13 WinZip seems to untar it just fine 04:47:20 ok 04:47:33 SWPadnos: hint, use total commander 04:47:46 in Windows? 04:47:53 it's so much better ;) and handles any packages 04:47:55 yes 04:48:15 I open .bz2, .tgz, .deb, .rpm, .iso you name it 04:48:25 well - I actually have a WinZip license, so I might as well use it 04:48:33 :) 04:48:59 total commander is much more.. actually a file/system browser 04:49:13 actually, it's a 3-user license, so I *really* should use it :) 04:49:15 like the old norton commander, or mc on linux 04:49:31 I also have take Command, which I like quite abit 04:49:34 a bit 04:49:52 if you've ever heard of 4DOS, this is the Win32 version 04:50:04 I think so.. a while ago 04:50:20 back in the big BBS days, it was very popular 04:51:06 ok - the newest WinZip also supports bzip2 04:51:16 though I'd have to pay for the upgrade, I think :( 04:52:16 SWPadnos: how much for winzip? 04:52:48 I'm trying to find out what the upgrade costs. the normal price is $30 04:52:52 * cradek laughs at paying for an unzip program 04:53:00 right :) 04:53:08 * cradek laughs at paying for an OS 04:53:09 yeah - it is kinda funny 04:53:13 * cradek trolls 04:53:14 sorry 04:53:42 I hate paying for a F*&^%$^ OS as well, but my fine development software only runs on Win$ 04:54:09 SWPadnos: mingw 04:54:28 not C development 04:54:57 microcontroller, DSP, PCB, FPGA ... 04:55:09 ah 04:55:13 I only do avr 04:55:25 and so you can use avr-gcc :) 04:55:45 of course 04:55:50 I think the Atmel software (which is pretty good, BTW) will run under WINE 04:55:50