00:00:17 may have just found it, but what does the checkout command look like for the docs in lyx format? 00:00:44 same as any other checkout 00:01:00 ....cvsroot/emc co documents 00:01:42 ah, tried co emc2/documents 00:02:05 no, documents is a module by itself 00:02:37 cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/emc co documents 00:02:47 good night 00:02:49 cncuser has quit 00:03:54 Ok, trying now... 00:06:13 ah, coming down now. thanks. 00:08:11 your always welcomed 00:13:28 Imperator_ has quit 00:15:40 chores call... bbl 00:33:33 * alex_joni_ drops a needle 00:33:41 DING DING! 00:34:12 no swampy, that's for something else :D 00:34:19 oh - sorry 00:34:21 DING! 00:34:28 right :) 00:34:52 hmmm - there's a discussion about latencies and integrated graphics on the CCED list 00:35:00 maybe I'll have to set up a test 00:35:07 huh? 00:35:26 oh - the discussion was about mini-ITX motherboards being used for CNC controllers 00:35:39 I just remembered.. didn't visit yahoo groups lately 00:35:40 I mentioned that any of those with shared video memory may not be so good 00:35:54 anything interesting in gecko & cad cad dro ? 00:35:58 I'm looking at this for testing: 00:36:03 http://www.captain.at/programming/rtai/parportint.php 00:36:45 Imbedded computers? ROFL 00:36:50 yeah 00:36:56 and power supply's 00:37:49 there was an interesting discussion about connectors to use for steppers - not a lot of high quality suggestions 00:37:56 but lots of inexpensive ones 00:48:38 could a secure wireless handle it?? 00:48:50 handle what? 00:48:50 what is "it"? 00:49:06 the stepper commands 00:49:19 but I think yes.. a secure wireless can handle anything :D 00:49:27 kidding, don't think so 00:49:41 I'd probably run away screaming before connecting steppers at the end of a wireless link ;) 00:49:41 if its small and cheapenuf to have 2 it could work 00:49:55 you could send pulses through wireless, but doubtly at a decent rate 00:49:56 or servos, for that matter 00:50:11 better have the interface (GUI) remotely through a wireless 00:50:13 that might be OK 00:50:29 you can certainly pulse fast enough - probably at least a couple hundred KHz, if you're just directly transmitting the pulses 00:50:35 now were thinkin OUT of the box... 00:51:08 consider the fact that you still need to power the steppers, so there's no way of having them truly wireless 00:51:20 sure there is.. microwaves 00:51:28 and a nice shielded cable will have way less interference than wireless 00:51:35 they even do it for some BSC's 00:51:53 so the cnc brains are onboard... and connectors are board or lug mount 00:51:54 well sure, if you want to cook your machine (and the operator) :) 00:52:13 cnc brains onboard = SBC 00:52:19 has been done before, works nicely 00:52:37 I ran tkemc through ssh and wireless, and it works OK 00:52:43 ssh -X that is 00:52:46 powered and controlled by microwave? 00:52:48 ok ... never mind... ; )- 00:53:01 SWPadnos: mind control 00:53:04 you're not going to want to connect e.g. a G-Rex via wireless 00:53:06 heh 00:53:17 no :P.. I'll tame it first 00:53:22 but a remote computer, having nothing to do with the RT aspects of control, would be fine 00:54:13 yes.. a remote... even 3" away but is ONLY a GUI 00:54:42 sure - I can control Alex's machine from here, if he lets me :) 00:54:53 the networking aspects of emc are pretty darned good 00:55:19 I doubt it will work under the networking conditions I curently have 00:55:35 maybe with keystick :) 00:55:41 doubt it ;) 00:55:43 heh 00:55:45 but YOU could... 00:55:49 right 00:55:58 dmessier: so could you :) 00:56:06 SWPadnos: wanna try? 00:56:08 if you 2 girls could get along 00:56:18 I have an emcserver around :D 00:56:21 we did this at fest - Paul and I both had GUIs conected to the same emc 00:56:34 I don't have any Linux machines on at the moment 00:56:40 I could do remote X though 00:56:49 use a doze GUI 00:57:05 true - where are those? 00:57:11 (you did the java one, right?) 00:57:12 hang on.. 00:57:15 no :( 00:57:15 that would prove compatibility issues outright 00:57:19 I touch no java :D 00:57:22 ok 00:57:36 I have CygWin-X, so I can do remote X 00:57:51 I do that all the time here, since my emc machine has an 800x600 LCD 00:57:55 no you can't :P 00:57:59 (vs triple 1280x1024 CRT) 00:57:59 I'll tell you later why 00:58:07 ok ;) 00:58:14 tkemc coming through 00:58:53 hmm - so I guess I'd needa Windows tcl/tk then 00:59:09 port is 1234 00:59:14 yes you do.. 00:59:36 I tried it with 82 00:59:55 hold on a sec - I probably have the right stuff in cygwin 01:00:12 that would be a first ;) 01:00:23 tcl 8.3 and 8.4 01:00:26 and 8.2 01:00:31 great 01:00:36 you need to edit emc.nml 01:00:39 84.247.54.177:1234 01:00:45 yep - hold on a sec 01:02:28 do I need to change all of the 192.168.0.6 instances? 01:02:32 yes 01:02:36 search/replace 01:02:37 ok 01:03:19 it's faster.. I think only a few are needed .. but it's easier, less error prone 01:03:19 yep 01:03:25 oh.. don't worry about my strange machine.. 01:03:30 I have it set up XZA 01:03:39 let me change that.. 01:04:52 ok.. I'm set 01:05:46 it'll take me a sec anyway 01:06:03 I'm not really running on "windows", since this is cygwin 01:06:11 ok.. 01:06:13 it would probably be faster for me to download tcl for Windows 01:06:20 (but I'd probably have to reboot ;) ) 01:06:27 not for tcl 01:06:37 heh 01:07:04 no rush.. 01:08:12 tic tac 01:08:15 tic tac 01:08:19 SWPadnos: no pressure.. 01:08:33 DING! 01:08:37 ouch 01:08:40 that hurt 01:08:53 at least it didn't sound hollow 01:09:23 i hate when it goes PSSSHHTsss 01:09:38 your head? 01:09:59 no my most favorite GIRLFRIEND... 01:10:59 phone 01:11:11 dmessier: you need to explain that in detail :D 01:12:45 ppl are using blow up dolls alot... 01:13:06 oh.. didn't know that ;) 01:13:11 to ride in the multiple occupany lanes.. 01:13:18 but if you say so... 01:13:42 dont get me wrong. 01:13:55 dmessier: just pulling your leg 01:14:01 me too 01:14:19 thought so.. 01:14:32 my fake g'friend is latex.. 01:15:17 does she get along with the real one? 01:15:34 doesn bitch mutch 01:15:50 perfect 01:16:17 tic tac.. 01:16:23 swampy: are you there yet? 01:16:52 i live in a perfect world... with minor extranious interuptions from planet... 01:17:07 fenn has quit 01:17:19 or the morons theron.. 01:17:32 lol 01:17:47 lets just say i LIKE smart ppl ALOT 01:17:52 ca c'est ne pas bon 01:18:08 tu les tous.... 01:18:43 didn't get that.. 01:19:03 kill 'em all 01:19:14 I'm rusty :( 01:19:19 oh.. right 01:19:32 let GOD sort em out 01:19:32 tu, as in tuer 01:19:44 if he wants them 01:19:51 fenn has joined #emc 01:20:34 SWPadnos: gonna take long? 01:20:44 hang up the phone 01:20:50 de la viend... oui... ub homme... jamais 01:21:14 un hommme 01:21:27 quest que c'est 'ub' ? 01:21:35 ahh.. un 01:21:51 viend is cattle? 01:22:07 meat...yes 01:22:22 "To repeat what others have said, requires education; to challenge it, requires brains.." 01:22:22 homme is ams 01:24:53 gonna be awhile 01:27:15 trying with cradek in the meantime :P 01:27:27 homme is ams ?? 01:27:55 littlest one need pc for a bit... keep me informed as to tele operation?? 01:28:37 man =homme 01:28:52 it works.. 01:28:59 cradek just connected 01:28:59 :D 01:33:25 really.. 01:33:26 rayh has joined #emc 01:33:54 hi rayh 01:34:02 * alex_joni_ and cradek are playing remote-emc :D 01:34:11 hey 01:34:24 neet 01:34:28 hi rayh 01:35:21 who is runnung who's machine 01:35:36 * alex_joni_ is running a sim doze emc :) 01:35:44 and cradek is running AXIS connected to it 01:35:52 and its working 01:36:18 okay. I did that a few times here. found some interesting stuff that didn't work 01:36:29 but that was long ago in the early Axis days. 01:36:43 dont sat e-stop...??? 01:36:57 dueling CNC. I wonder what the song is like 01:37:24 there's a fundamental problem with the gui reading in the program 01:37:33 that kind of thing is not supported in nml 01:37:55 I'm not sure there's a good solution actually 01:38:07 Right. The file stuff is a one time thing with the interp. 01:38:30 it would need a memory mapping of some sort 01:38:43 When Tom wrote it one of his constraints was a fixed memory footprint. 01:39:18 im thinkin map the mem at the cycle start button 01:39:19 ah, that's definitely a conflicting goal 01:39:31 We ought to put an feature request up with mapping 01:39:50 Not then it wasn't. 01:39:58 still isn't in embedded systems. 01:40:12 true 01:40:37 What happens when you try to load a 40 meg gcode file in 16 meg of ram. 01:40:50 it gets swapped out 01:41:01 on a swap partition 01:41:04 If there is some place to swap it. 01:41:11 to swap space on the 20 Gb drive... 01:41:16 that's why the 200 line look ahead 01:41:30 and the tp limitations. 01:41:33 yeah you sure don't need the whole file in the interpreter 01:41:43 all of which could be relaxed in today's pc environment. 01:41:44 ram and drive space is NOT what it was then 01:41:47 and xemc would only highlight the running line, so it didn't even need the whole file 01:41:53 it would have been silly 01:42:23 axis is the first thing that needs the whole file (in some form) because of the full-program preview 01:42:27 Hell I spent 11k for a 4 meg upgrade on an allen bradley 01:42:40 Yes. 01:43:24 Multiple gui's would really benefit from the program being under interp or task control 01:43:43 I agree 01:43:53 but that's a can of worms it might not be worth opening 01:44:07 not till next week. 01:45:21 Have you still got the bwidget kit in the Axis source? 01:45:34 yes 01:46:04 That helps with halconfig.tcl cause I use the tree widget from there. 01:46:12 rayh: whats next week? 01:46:14 :) 01:46:19 I think if alex and I had the same files in the same directory, it might all work 01:46:25 right 01:46:30 that's easily doable with nfs et al 01:46:33 got an chips? 01:46:37 alex_joni_: gotcha on that one. 01:47:04 alex_joni_: put emc2's Chips in /tmp 01:47:06 cradek: 3d_chips 01:47:08 I'm working up a front end test routine for halconfig 01:47:10 hmmm 01:47:13 not tmp 01:47:16 programs/ 01:47:21 relative to where you are 01:47:27 jas 01:47:50 There is some stuff in emc(1) that ran a tickle socket across the machines 01:47:53 ready, I think 01:48:07 I'll load it 01:48:25 it even did an md5 sum on both ends to be certain that you lost nothing 01:48:39 when you transfered a file into the interp machine 01:49:02 alex_joni_: I got error -1 (?) and now it's hung 01:49:31 "unrecognized error -1 [OK]" 01:49:36 ajoni has joined #emc 01:50:08 ajoni: I got "unrecognized error -1" and it hung 01:50:44 good luck guys. 01:50:47 rayh has quit 01:50:57 it crashed.. the connection 01:51:21 robin_sz has joined #emc 01:51:26 meep? 01:51:35 moop? 01:52:02 hi zwisk 01:52:06 howdy... 01:52:07 hi robin_sz 01:52:10 eveny 01:52:11 hello 01:52:22 alex_joni_ has quit 01:52:22 busy again huh? 01:52:29 ajoni is now known as alex_joni_ 01:52:33 as always 01:52:44 seen a cheap mill 01:52:55 Bridgport Interact wityh servos 01:53:02 seen a red fly 01:53:13 but no control ... 01:53:17 Ł360 01:53:55 oops 02:00:25 is that about $500? 02:00:29 that's a good price 02:03:08 ajoni has joined #emc 02:03:18 alex_joni_ has quit 02:03:23 ajoni is now known as alex_joni_ 02:05:03 alex_joni_: are you going to start using screen soon? 02:06:04 http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi 02:06:12 here's an article about using irssi+screen 02:06:46 ajoni has joined #emc 02:07:02 alex_joni_ has quit 02:07:09 ajoni is now known as alex_joni_ 02:07:12 alex_joni_: are you going to start using screen soon? 02:07:13 http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi 02:07:14 here's an article about using irssi+screen 02:07:29 cradek: I set it up 02:07:38 but it's worse than this :( 02:07:43 darn 02:07:47 because ssh fails 02:08:03 ssh -t otherhost screen -rd 02:08:16 if it exits, run it again, your programs are still there 02:08:20 what's -t ? 02:08:24 allocate tty 02:08:29 lets you run interactive programs 02:08:35 like screen 02:08:46 yeah I know.. but I end up with lots of zombie ssh's 02:08:56 because of unclean disconnects 02:08:58 strange, I haven't seen that 02:09:07 plus it's very sluggish 02:09:29 yeah 02:37:23 * alex_joni_ is gone 02:37:26 byeall 02:38:00 alex_joni_ has quit 02:38:27 cradek: I sometimes leave zombie sshds on lucky 02:41:59 johenry has joined #emc 02:42:29 johenry has left #emc 02:43:20 I see I missed a language war. blah 02:43:46 oh and a distro war 02:45:51 too bad I wasn't reading it at the time 02:57:49 robin_sz has quit 03:01:09 so 03:20:40 Is anyone doing cutter compensation (G41/42) with emc2? 04:05:13 not me 04:10:42 chris___ has joined #emc 04:10:45 hi 04:10:48 hello 04:11:35 i got this error running emc2 shmem.cc 509: SHMEM: Can't take semaphore 04:11:50 are you running it as root? 04:12:08 yes 04:12:10 is this the 2.4.20/rtlinux machine? 04:12:13 yes 04:12:32 and thies error iotaskintf.cc 213: Failed to send command to IO level 04:12:36 are you sure that's the first error? 04:13:02 yes its the first error 04:13:23 is this one of the stock configs? 04:13:41 cd .../emc2; sudo scripts/emc sim 04:15:18 same error 04:15:24 crap 04:15:47 HAL:72: ERROR: Can't find program 'halscope' 04:15:47 HAL config file /root/emc/emc2/configs/sim//../common/core_sim.hal failed. 04:15:56 ah ok 04:16:04 you probably don't have gtk-devel 04:16:07 so halscope didn't build 04:16:12 ok hang on 04:16:19 but you don't need halscope, you could comment that out 04:16:45 or build it if you can get the package, it's handy to have 04:17:18 what file cani search for to see if i have gtk-devel? 04:18:59 comment out halscope from?? configs/sim/sim.ini 04:19:07 % rpm -qf /usr/include/gtk-1.2/gtk/gtk.h 04:19:07 gtk+-devel-1.2.10-25 04:19:43 last line of configs/common/core_sim.hal 04:22:21 shmem.cc 509: SHMEM: Can't take semaphore 04:22:26 * CMS Status = -1 (CMS_MISC_ERROR: A miscellaneous error occured.) 04:23:02 among other errors 04:23:08 ok even on sim, that must mean something... 04:23:25 sudo emc -v -d sim 04:23:30 what do i need to compile for emc2, just the stuff in the src directory? 04:23:48 you should have the whole emc2 module from cvs 04:24:01 then cd src; ./configure; make 04:24:05 yep 04:25:35 try sudo emc -v -d sim >somefile 04:25:43 and let's look at the output 04:26:03 Running sudo HAL config file /root/emc/emc2/configs/sim//../common/core_sim.hal 04:26:04 + sudo /root/emc/emc2/bin/halcmd -i /root/emc/emc2/configs/sim/sim.ini -f /root/ 04:26:04 emc/emc2/configs/sim//../common/core_sim.hal 04:26:04 shmem.cc 509: SHMEM: Can't take semaphore 04:27:42 I think there'll be another error earlier 04:27:51 can you make the whole output available somehow? 04:27:56 does the // after sim (in the hal file name) cause weirdness? 04:28:05 try pastebin.com? 04:28:08 SWPadnos: no 04:28:10 ok 04:28:22 pastebin? 04:28:24 cat ///////etc////////////hosts 04:28:40 chris___: lets you post your output for us to look at 04:28:59 I think that's the one people use anyway (I usually use my own site) 04:29:01 ok hang on 04:29:03 cradek, can you try halcmd with a filename like that? 04:29:11 (just to make sure :) ) 04:29:35 umm not sure how 04:29:43 * cradek is no hal expert 04:30:12 just go to the emc2 dir and type bin/halcmd -f path//to//some/hal/file 04:30:25 with emc running or no? 04:30:44 doesn't need to be, but you may need to be careful about which hal file you specify 04:31:13 open("configs/common/////core_stepper.hal", O_RDONLY) = 3 04:31:23 it passes it right to open 04:31:28 ok 04:31:38 how do i send all output to a file 04:31:55 blahblah > somefile 04:32:02 maybe sudo scripts/emc -v -d sim >file 2>&1 04:32:35 some garbage still goes to the screen 04:32:45 just a little? 04:33:01 "2>&1" may need to be before ">file" (?) 04:33:02 that emc script is a little funny 04:33:13 tried that 04:33:15 ok 04:33:38 chris___: go ahead and post what you have 04:33:45 ok 04:34:01 this machine runs emc1 correctly, right? 04:34:13 well except for that bug/problem 04:35:12 yes it does 04:35:31 great, that's good to know 04:35:36