00:04:46 seems so 00:05:01 I started work up again yesterday 00:05:13 taking a while to get my mind in gear 00:06:11 off now. though. I think I will play trivial pursuit in paltalk. 00:06:15 fun game 00:06:33 I do well if there are a lot of science questions 00:11:52 Sounds fun! 00:17:43 YEAH IT SURE IS! 00:17:49 oops 00:18:00 guys vs gals in the game 00:18:05 guys all caps. 00:18:46 software is used to score. you have to type fast! 01:27:48 alex_joni_ has joined #emc 01:28:05 hi again alex_joni_ 01:28:11 get the de.po sorted out? 01:28:30 yup.. mail is about to leave 01:28:34 great 01:29:10 I think it may have been my e-mail client that helpfully changed the encoding of that file 01:29:29 ok, as long as it wasn't gettext it's OK 01:30:07 sometimes I'm not sure I know what I'm doing, working with these .pot, .po, .mo files 01:30:13 you know, americans really don't worry about those kinds of things 01:30:21 like letters that aren't in ASCII, for instance, we just don't care. 01:30:40 lol.. but german stuff is in ASCII 01:30:47 iirc 01:31:36 I mean good old 7-bit ASCII. none of those them umlauts 01:31:59 7bit? 01:32:30 that's too much :D 01:32:42 I know, I don't really see a need for upper case and lower case 01:32:48 and 31 control characters? what waste! 01:33:11 :)) 01:33:16 got it? 01:33:31 yes 01:33:40 ok, hope it's ok... 01:35:34 running axis in german now .. 01:35:45 cool.. want me to help you run it? :D 01:35:46 Was "Override Limits" still not in the po file? 01:35:52 it was.. 01:35:57 hang on, I'm looking 01:36:00 did you translate it? 01:36:04 it's still in english on my screen 01:36:06 7 bit ascii had upper and lower case. 01:36:10 ;) 01:36:11 #: ../scripts/axis.py:121 01:36:12 msgid "Override Limits" 01:36:12 msgstr "Grenzwerte aufheben" 01:36:32 skunkworks: we know, yet we think of it as a waste of space 01:36:44 I think ASCII might be ok with 5-bit or 6-bit ;) 01:37:27 jepler: strange.. how does the rest look? 01:37:40 ah 01:38:22 Hm .. I hadn't done a "cvs update" at home on axis, so I was missing some of the changes 01:38:30 now "Override Limits" translates to "None" !? 01:38:45 huh? 01:38:47 with the tooltip "Monentare Erlaubriss ... [L]" which I think is right 01:38:55 nope.. not right 01:39:07 Momentare Erlaubniss... is override limits 01:39:10 ahh.. ok ;) 01:39:16 * alex_joni_ is not thinking straight :( 01:39:26 #: ../scripts/axis.py:121 01:39:26 msgid "Override Limits" 01:39:26 msgstr "Grenzwerte aufheben" 01:39:36 is that the right translation I just pasted? 01:39:41 yup 01:39:51 I pasted that a few lines up too 01:39:57 oh yeah I see that now 01:39:59 talk about not thinking 01:40:13 join the club, we take new members every day 01:41:33 so the keys have different names in german? [Pos1], [Strg], etc? 01:43:14 just a few 01:43:42 my special thanks go to my keyboard there, as I wouldn't know those names otherwise :D 01:43:45 OK, the "Override Limits" problem is mine 01:43:57 I talk Ctrl and Home, not Strg and Pos1 ;) 01:43:59 now it says Greenich Mean Time or whatever it is 01:44:07 huh? 01:44:15 Grenzwerte aufheben 01:44:17 forget it 01:44:27 ahh.. it works? 01:44:29 it's right now, and the mistake was mine 01:44:30 yes 01:44:36 good 01:44:40 post a pic ;) 01:46:55 jas 01:47:25 jas? 01:47:34 jasmin & lillies? 01:47:40 http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/01136301942/axis-de.png 01:47:45 jas = "just a second" 01:47:51 :P 01:48:31 missed a few texts :) 01:48:41 Position: Relative Actual 01:49:17 oh, and can you fix one thing that doesn't look righ to me? 01:49:26 sure 01:49:38 #: ../tcl/axis.tcl:1227 01:49:39 msgid "Feed Override (%):" 01:49:39 msgstr "Geschwindigkeit Übersteuerung (%):" 01:49:56 make that "Geschwindigkeits Übersteuerung (%):" 01:50:04 aka.. add an 's' 01:50:06 OK 01:50:08 I think I can handle that 01:50:14 thought so.. 01:50:32 darn USB... don't like it anymore 01:52:09 oh man, this sounds so sick in german: "Dabei sind Zeiger eine spezielle Art von Referenz, bei der die Rückgewinnung der Variablen aus der Referenz durch eine Dereferenzierungsoperation erfolgt." 01:54:10 alex_joni_: can you translate these for me? "Position" "Relative" "Actual" "Machine" "Commanded" 01:54:27 Position, Relativ, Aktuell, Maschine, Befohlen 01:58:07 I updated the screenshot again 01:59:37 love the tooltip ;) 01:59:43 looks great overall 01:59:49 there are still things that aren't translated 01:59:55 looks like all the menus and some of the tooltips are not 02:00:00 maybe if you open a program too.. it'll look just swell 02:00:07 which one? 02:00:31 "Top view" etc 02:01:13 that's not in .po yet 02:01:17 every menu item with spaces is not translated 02:01:25 yeah, I think I have to quarrel with gettext again 02:01:35 okie.. 02:02:59 In strings like "_Open" do you understand that it means "O" will be shown underlined in the menu? 02:03:55 yes 02:04:13 I did a few menus back in the days ;) 02:04:26 didn't change the [xx] though 02:04:29 So you meant to make "f" be underlined in "O_ffnen"? 02:04:33 yes 02:04:38 OK 02:04:45 that seems to be a standard amongst german programs 02:04:59 as Ö is somehow strange to use on a menu ;) 02:05:14 oh .. I never thought of that 02:05:21 I figured you'd just type O 02:05:46 well yes, but that makes it hard for people with different keyboards to use 02:06:05 imagine AXIS ends up on a PC misconfigured with DE locale, yet EN keyboard 02:06:26 you'd still want them to be able to use it :P 02:06:44 even if they don't understand any of the things written there (lol) 02:08:16 cradek has installed the japanese version of windows before... 02:08:30 there's tkemc in japanese :P 02:08:57 ask fenn he might do AXIS in japanese :) 02:11:16 what did cradek install that for anyways? 02:11:34 jtr_ has joined #emc 02:12:38 rayh has quit 02:12:42 At work, there's a fellow translating our software's manual, and eventually our software, into japanese. We hope to enter the japanese market. someday. 02:13:00 ok, then you can with AXIS too :P 02:13:11 try downloading the po file from viewcvs and see if the encoding is right: http://unpy.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/axis/i18n/de.po?rev=1.4;content-type=text%2Fplain 02:13:18 I used some CAD once that was in japanese.. 02:13:20 and then you can fill in the new strings... 02:13:30 more strings? :( 02:13:38 jepler: kidding ;) 02:14:23 actually in a way I view AXIS as practice for this task at work .. because I will be the one doing the translation infrastructure, and I intend to use the GNU gettext suite for working with .po/.pot files 02:14:57 (though we have our own alternative format instead of .mo, because the gettext library itself seems to be GPL so we can't use it) 02:15:04 but enough about my day job, I don't like talking about it too much 02:15:38 heh, ok 02:16:43 do you want to update the de.po once more tonight, or should I make a new screenshot with a file loaded and call it good for the moment? 02:17:11 hang on, I'll finish soon 02:17:31 you can then make the screenshot.. ok? 02:17:34 Hm .. "ON" "OFF" "ESTOP RESET" aren't in the catalog, are they? 02:17:58 er, ON ESTOP "ESTOP RESET" I guess they are 02:19:27 didn't see them before 02:19:29 please translate these too: http://unpy.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/axis/i18n/de.po.diff?r1=1.4;r2=1.5 02:20:04 I hope I've caught most of the strings by now 02:20:27 maybe you have an ngc-file that would be intersting to show in the screenshot? 02:20:38 don't think so :( 02:20:47 I don't have many ngc files :D 02:20:55 oh yeah? 02:20:58 use Chips or something 02:21:17 I'm sure everybody's tired of seeing my circuit boards in the screenshots 02:21:17 I don't really use emc much 02:21:25 but don't tell everyone :D 02:21:46 tell everyone what? 02:21:56 Jymmm: nothing :) 02:22:04 nothing what? 02:22:18 jepler: it might be more of help if you enter new strings as "", not already pseudo-translated 02:22:51 alex_joni_: I think gettext (msgmerge) is doing that automatically 02:22:58 ok ;) 02:23:04 #: ../tcl/axis.tcl:53 02:23:04 #, fuzzy 02:23:04 msgid "Toggle _Emergency Stop" 02:23:04 msgstr "Not Aus ändern [F1]" 02:23:06 you mean like this one? 02:23:07 because it does a lousy job.. 02:23:13 right 02:23:25 -N, --no-fuzzy-matching do not use fuzzy matching 02:23:29 maybe I need to use this 02:23:36 it also does this: 02:23:37 #: ../rs274/errorlist.py:30 02:23:37 msgid "Attempt to raise negative number to non-integer power" 02:23:37 msgstr "" 02:23:37 "Versuch eine negative Zahl mit einem nicht-ganzzahligem Wert zu potenzieren" 02:23:41 wow... there's everyone! 02:23:49 hi zwisk, long time 02:23:53 yeah, it is a very clever piece of software.. I guess 02:24:00 indeed! Howdy. 02:24:09 --no-wrap do not break long message lines, longer than 02:24:09 the output page width, into several lines 02:24:11 Jepler... just the guy I should ask about axis/emc2 things... 02:24:15 jepler: think that string moved to the next line still works ? 02:24:19 zwisk: I'm still not an emc2 user 02:24:25 really? oh... hmm... 02:24:28 zwisk: you cought him.. (on AXIS at least) 02:24:30 alex_joni_: yes, it still works just fine formatted like that 02:24:39 well, if you type this into a program and load it into axis, does it give you a weird error? 02:24:41 zwisk: I only run emc1/simulator + axos 02:24:42 ok, then I'll stop correcting those 02:24:45 G42 D2 F9 G1Z.1 02:25:06 how weird is weird? 02:25:08 I can do that in MDI, no problem, but if I load it as a program, it tells me the D2 needs a G42 or G41 command... which... well... is right ther.e.. 02:25:21 (not that weird I guess..) 02:26:20 zwisk: here (emc1/simulator) the program ran just fine after I added M2 as the next line 02:26:37 hmm... interesting... perhaps its and emc2 problem. 02:27:00 (I'm not running emc1 anymore..) 02:27:16 zwisk: just in case AXIS isn't picking up an interpreter change in emc2, "rm -rf build" in the axis source directory, then "setup.py install" again. 02:27:42 zwisk: if you use a different front end and run or verify the program, do you get the same error? 02:27:51 I'll try that next... 02:27:58 (But axis is so cool I don't wanna run any other front end! :P) 02:27:58 jepler: relax, it's probably not axis related :) 02:28:06 probably right... it 02:28:07 here here 02:28:08 zwisk: that's nice of you to say.. 02:28:10 hey, thanks for the compliment 02:28:13 probably is emc2 related. 02:28:21 zwisk: might be ;) 02:28:30 zwisk: how is everything? 02:28:42 we have been finding a few odd interp problems 02:28:47 there's been that christmas/new years thing keeping me all to busy. 02:28:58 in emc2 02:29:00 heh, we know it just too well 02:29:01 lots of family and friends visiting. SO... good, I guess is the short answer. 02:29:09 nice to hear 02:29:11 well here's an interesting development. I just tried to load "isd.ngc" and I got an error in illegible german about "ohne Angabe von G41 oder G42" which I think is the message we were just talking about ... 02:29:22 how was your break, alex_joni? 02:29:34 break? 02:29:53 jepler, that sounds like a german translation of my error (or dutch?) :P 02:29:57 yes, german 02:30:06 alex and I are just working on translating AXIS into other languages 02:30:12 as you may have seen in your scrollback 02:30:12 alex_joni: yeah.... time off around the hollidays... (You got some, right?) 02:30:14 N3839G01Z-0.008F4.0 02:30:24 zwisk: still am there.. 02:30:27 nice. 02:30:31 I don't see any D words there! 02:30:44 but it seems I'm busy doing emc stuff up to 6-7am 02:30:51 jepler: check previous line 02:31:25 N3840D2Y-1.002F8.0 02:31:26 ah, there it is 02:31:37 Error reporting is a bit less than perfect in all of emc... 02:32:05 in this case maybe the error is correct, I don't see any G41 or G42 here 02:32:38 hmm... is it possible the G41/42 is being dropped someplace? 02:33:46 jepler: no D in the emc2 version of cds.ngc 02:33:57 oh.. you said isd.ngc :( 02:34:23 * alex_joni_ rejoins his own club 02:35:15 two places where G41 seems to be missing.. 02:35:37 zwisk: but in that case they actually don't exist in the file.. 02:35:48 not that they are there but don't get regarded 02:36:24 hmm... maybe my version of emc2 is outdated... actually, it very likely is... 02:39:21 oh.. if it's a few days old it's outdated :) 02:39:34 yup :) 02:39:39 s/days/hours/ 02:39:39 that's what I like about emc1 -- it may be outdated, but until emc2 has a simulator I don't have to do anything about it. 02:39:52 oohh... yeah... a configuration editor. There has been some new work done! 02:40:11 not really editor, but picker 02:40:23 a few things have happend 02:40:30 hmm... ok... picker. Time to go figure out how to get an initial config to pick. 02:40:30 including procedures in the interpreter 02:40:35 excellent. 02:40:44 click RUN, and choose one 02:40:57 I don't have any to choose... (empty box) 02:42:45 you need to cvs up, emc2/configs too 02:42:56 configs have been very reorganized.. 02:43:13 they are each in one dir now 02:43:51 dmes2 has quit 02:44:07 boy... I can't leave you guys alone for a minute, can I?! :) (Actually it's great to see so much work being done!) 02:44:24 zwisk: that's only the tip of the iceberg ;) 02:44:29 I hope.. 02:44:34 quite a few bugs closed too 02:44:42 yeah, I noticed that in my email! :) 02:44:49 board is moving nicely too 02:47:29 zwisk: what kernel & RT do you run? 02:47:47 Right now I'm running 2.6.12.6-magma #1 on debian 02:47:55 bugger 02:48:00 no 2.4 around? 02:48:17 Erm... yeah, I think I have a redhat 2.4 around, though I haven't booted it a long while... 02:48:30 we want to release a final version of emc1 02:48:38 and could need some testing.. 02:49:11 I have 2.4.27-1.0.rtai but I don't have a machine hooked up to that... 02:49:58 http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/01136301942/axis-de.png (updated again) 02:50:03 well if you can try it out (compiling at least), here it is: http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/~emc/emc-1.2.0-rc1.src.tgz 02:51:04 * alex_joni_ likes that snapshot ;) 02:51:07 I'll try it in kernel 2.6 + simulator 02:51:20 if that's supposed to be a supported configuration.. 02:51:43 hrmm.. can't remember if sim.ini is supplied, but it should be supported 02:51:50 yes, it's there 02:52:42 hey that isn't english - is stop stop in german? 02:52:55 no that's in romanian actually 02:53:20 is stop - stop in romanian? 02:53:32 imagine that.. 02:53:36 stop is universal 02:53:40 #: ../tcl/axis.tcl:773 02:53:40 msgid "Offset" 02:53:40 msgstr "" 02:53:44 except for french Arret 02:53:47 cool 02:53:55 jepler: offset too 02:54:00 OK 02:54:14 but I thought it's better not to duplicate it 02:54:29 maybe someone comes up with a better translation (although I doubt it ;) 02:56:52 alex_joni_: for emc-1.2.0-rc1, I used "make -C rcslib/src PLAT=linux_2_4_22; make -C emc/src PLAT=linux_2_4_22" and then in emc/ I did "env PLAT=linux_2_4_20 ./sim.run -ini sim.ini". tkemc comes up. 02:57:21 I can jog, and I can start running 3d_Chips 02:57:23 great, thanks a lot 02:57:44 er, "env PLAT=linux_2_4_22" in the last command 02:57:54 I'm not sure what PLAT string is most correct, but that's the one I used before 02:59:53 * alex_joni_ whispers again 02:59:57 wanna know a secret? 03:00:07 it doesn't really matter :D 03:00:45 as long there is a rcslib/etc/foo.def there, most likely PLAT=foo will work (exept mixing rtlinux with rtai or such major stuff) 03:01:00 jepler: care to test one more thing for me to be really happy? 03:01:04 alex_joni_: OK sure 03:01:12 rcslib/etc/configure 03:01:24 then use PLAT=nonrealtime && PLAT=realtime 03:01:39 well.. no realtime in your case.. 03:01:53 "checking for RT dir..." and then the hard drive melts 03:01:54 but now that I think of it configure will most likely fail 03:01:56 :( 03:02:09 I'll send you a new one 03:02:14 oh that didn't take as long as I expected 03:02:14 checking for RT dir... configure: error: RT not found, try to specify one by --with-rtai=, --with-rtlinux=, --with-rtlinuxpro= 03:02:31 use --with-rtai=/tmp 03:02:38 or something to make it shutup ;) 03:02:48 configure: error: RTAIDIR=/tmp specified, but neither rtai-config \(RTAI-3.x\) nor realtime-config \(rtai-24.1.x\) found. Check your RTAI install 03:03:01 darn.. I'm too smart for myself :( 03:03:19 ./configure --without-realtime ? 03:03:35 (doesn't do anything) 03:03:37 right .. that's whishfull thinking 03:03:39 cd 03:03:40 oops 03:03:57 the ./configure is taken over from emc2 03:04:08 so no support for non-RT systems, forget I asked 03:05:11 OK 03:05:24 AXIS works with it 03:05:31 at least it starts up 03:05:43 cool 03:15:31 Whats the diff between an arc and a bezier? 03:15:52 Jymmm: an arc is a portion of a circle. a bezier is not a conic section at all. 03:15:59 conic? 03:16:12 http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ConicSection.html 03:16:20 looking... 03:16:21 a slice of a teepee = a conic 03:16:23 the result of intersecting a plane and two cones 03:16:40 wth? 03:17:02 Jymmm: an arc is a predefined form 03:17:13 a bezier is a line (polinomial) defined by control points 03:17:15 actually "[T]he parabola can be exactly expressed as a quadratic Bezier with the three points as the control vertices." 03:17:20 the arc I got, it's the bezier/conic I dont get 03:17:21 a special form of spline 03:17:32 forget what I said, it was incorrect anyway 03:17:55 a bezier is a different kind of curve, though 03:18:00 Jymmm: there is a silly screensaver with moving twisted lines 03:18:08 alex_joni ok 03:18:15 those are actually beziers where the control points move all over the screen 03:18:35 * alex_joni_ did that in the 11th grade iirc ;) 03:18:45 still have pascal code for it.. want it? 03:18:48 a Bezier is a more general form, so the conic sections are specific applications of a Bezier, I think 03:19:15 * Jymmm still not getting a bezier (sorry) 03:19:17 SWPadnos: a bezier is a special case of spline, a polinomial curve 03:19:19 but you can represent non-conic sections with a bezier as well 03:19:25 yes 03:19:28 Jymmm: forget conics / comics 03:19:29 :D 03:19:36 imagine this: you have 4 points 03:19:40 beziers are supposed to be useful for approximating arbitrary curves using "control points" 03:19:45 * Jymmm tosses the Spiderman #1 out the window 03:20:09 let them be known as 1,2,3,4 03:20:13 jepler Like the dot-to-dot drawing when you were a kid? 03:20:22 Jymmm : kinda 03:20:29 but you only draw from 2 to 3 03:20:41 so that the curve is tangent to lines 12 and 34 03:20:53 get me? 03:21:01 here's a good image: http://escience.anu.edu.au/lecture/cg/Spline/Image/bez01.png 03:21:05 wouldn't that be like angles? 03:21:16 1, 4 are "anchor point"s and 2, 3 are "control point"s in this image 03:21:17 or an angled line 03:21:28 what jepler pasted 03:21:30 jepler isn't that a arc? 03:21:40 no, an arc is always the same radius 03:21:46 no change in curvature 03:21:51 right, what alex said 03:22:08 load that image in your favorite vector+raster program and see if you can draw an arc exactly over it 03:22:09 hmmmmm, NEVER EVER? 03:22:16 I suspect you can't. 03:22:29 that in the picture is a general spline, there are quite a few flavours (bezier, b-spline, etc) 03:22:34 jepler well I could, but... 03:22:45 each depending on the relationship between points and line 03:23:06 here's another bezier that is clearly not an arc: http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/curves/bezier/bezier10.gif 03:23:23 for instance, on bezier the spline goes through 2 points, and tangent to lines 12 and 34 03:23:40 and here is another: http://www.cubic.org/docs/img/bezier1.png 03:24:19 ok, I think I'm getting bezier, now back to arc for a moment... 03:24:35 an arc will NEVER change it's radius? 03:24:47 no, an arc is cut from a circle 03:25:00 it will never change it's radius as you are moving on the arc 03:25:20 of course different arcs have different radiuses 03:25:26 or is that radii? 03:25:27 so with enough copies of ANY ARC, you *WILL* get a circle? 03:25:32 Jymmm: yes 03:25:57 is there any particular reason to use arcs over beziers? 03:26:03 but not any circle 03:26:15 they are different things 03:26:34 the math is easier for arcs 03:26:41 one (bezier) can describe any shape, arc is limited to some extent (only can specify radius, start and stop angle) 03:26:59 and its easier to describe an arc, only a couple values to define 03:27:32 Jymmm: btw, here's a b-spline (opposed to bezier you see the spline is not going through any checkpoints) http://www.cs.mtu.edu/~shene/COURSES/cs3621/NOTES/spline/B-spline/bspline-curve-open-1-CANVAS.jpg 03:27:44 ok, so arcs are more for angles than anything else? 03:28:30 if you want to make a circle, you'd use an arc 03:28:39 alex_joni I think I'll leave b-splines for another day =) 03:28:58 most parts you are cutting have some sort of geometric simpleness 03:29:08 so on those an arc is appropiate mostly 03:29:21 like cutting a rectangle with rounded corners 03:29:41 well, from what I've learned, what I'm working on needs a bezier, not a arc. 03:29:56 what are you working on? 03:29:56 alex_joni that makes sense. 03:30:16 Just cleaning up some artwork with LOTS of points. 03:30:30 if it isn't a regulated polinomial, then probably a bezier is what you mean 03:30:40 but for milling you have 2 problems on using beziers 03:30:48 1. the CAM software should know about them 03:31:18 2. the CAE? software should know about it (CAE beeing EMC in our case) 03:31:29 cnc control 03:31:31 but I'm sure it's not CAE :( 03:31:33 right 03:31:47 cae == pro engineer or FEA stuff 03:32:01 cae is comp. aided. engineering? 03:32:04 right then 03:32:41 are arcs blended in emc? 03:33:06 yes, one by one 03:33:16 kidding, actually no 03:34:12 so wouldnt lots of little lines be preferable for approximating a spline? 03:34:21 eeeeeeeeew 03:34:28 Jymmm: actually yes 03:34:32 that's what I'm cleaning up now 03:34:35 if it comes to use emc.. 03:34:36 jymmm emc only supports lines and arcs 03:34:46 unless you wanna write a spline-based trajectory planner for us 03:35:00 yeah, but not 50,000 lines for a heart 03:35:01 fenn: and those poorly :D 03:35:07 heh 03:35:15 Jymmm: you're probably faster redoing it in CAD 03:35:24 is it a raster scan or something? 03:35:30 that's what I am doing... 03:35:55 i dont know as much about cam software as i would like 03:36:02 clipart is not designed for cam work. 03:36:04 cradek's ttt converts splines to line segments .. I think it can give acceptable results with a small number of segments 03:36:25 oh this is a clusterfuck of layered pieces. 03:36:47 that's zoofilia 03:36:55 I clean them up, close points, remove loop, etc and create a CAM ready art library 03:36:57 fscking around with beowolf 03:37:21 alex_joni your mucking with a beowolf cluster? 03:37:31 oh this is a clusterfuck 03:37:39 lol 03:37:52 alex_joni you've never heard the term before I see =) 03:37:58 nope 03:38:07 but .. every day we learn something new 03:38:09 simular to Snafu, and Fubar 03:38:13 too bad today is crap 03:38:21 too bad today it's crap 03:38:35 clusterfuck is a useful word to know 03:38:45 lol 03:38:53 I'll bear that in mind 03:39:00 right next to b-splines 03:39:40 fenn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clusterfuck 03:40:33 clusterfuck 03:40:33 A disastrous situation that results from the cumulative errors of several people or groups. In semi-polite company this is referred to as a Charlie Foxtrot 03:40:36 see also: monkeys humping a football 03:42:26 i've never heard of charlie foxtrot 03:42:58 ok, you guys lost it 03:43:29 long time ago 03:43:48 although I must say I like 'armored cow' 03:44:10 goodnight guys 03:44:11 alex_joni you kinky bastard! 03:44:20 alex_joni_: thanks again for your help .. I look forward to getting your next translation(s). 03:44:20 night jeff 03:44:33 jepler: thought you forgot :P 03:46:01 Jymmm: that's 'canned milk' 03:46:11 but 'Broke-Dick' is funny too 03:46:35 alex_joni you and your tit fetish =) 03:46:52 hmm...so rtapi.conf doesn't exist in emc2 anymore? 03:47:39 zwisk: it never did :D 03:48:08 hmm... my old version of emc2 had it in scripts for some reason. 03:48:15 it still exists 03:48:24 but it only gets generated on make 03:48:51 hmm. It didn't seem to get made. 03:48:56 after ./configure of course 03:49:23 # This rule actually makes rtapi.conf. By including Makefile.inc 03:49:23 # as a dependency we insure that rtapi.conf is regenerated 03:49:23 # on the first "make" after running ./configure. 03:49:23 $(EMC2_HOME)/scripts/rtapi.conf: 03:50:11 zwisk: you come just right.. 03:50:27 there is some 'make install' that's crying out to get tested :) 03:51:08 Jymmm: know what the nicest typo is? 03:51:32 rm -rf . / 03:51:35 ROFL 03:52:35 hmmm yep... I seem to have had some old cruft in my tree. We'll try again. 03:52:52 I have a 'working' version in HEAD 03:53:00 lots have happened since that tree 03:53:12 lots of files moved around which made it hard to merge 03:56:14 zwisk: I'm still on vacation this week, so if you want to address it I'd be available 03:57:40 It's probably on my side... I'll keep workin' through it. 03:58:08 alex_joni thus why you don't run as root/su 03:58:22 I mean I'm here for answers if you need em 03:58:42 Jymmm: that's not my typo, just thought it's nice 03:58:54 actually rm -rf /* 03:59:11 put that in a bash script called M102 in emc 03:59:16 and run it ;) 04:01:23 ah, no. 04:01:53 well if you don't want, I'll go away 04:01:54 :P 04:06:26 ls 04:06:29 doh 04:06:43 ls - command not found :) 04:06:56 yup. :P 04:07:10 any luck on rtapi.conf? 04:07:18 yup... it was just cruft in my tree... 04:07:28 I rechecked out and all was well. 04:07:32 oh.. ok, better to start clean 04:07:43 yep. 04:08:03 how do you find what has changed? 04:08:18 like any of it? 04:08:52 diff's on backups, and cvs -n up normally... 04:09:12 oh... that's not what you wanted to know :) 04:09:19 The config manager is neat.... 04:09:21 poor choice of words from my side.. 04:09:30 Though if you create a new profile, it seems to crash. 04:09:34 s/find/like/ 04:09:53 probably access rights that make it go tits up.. worked ok here 04:09:59 I'm re-installing axis at the moment, as I really do like it... 04:10:00 but it's still a work in progress 04:10:10 axis1.1 is great 04:12:33 it would appear that scripts/emc doesn't have execute permissions by default. 04:12:49 no ,it gets modified by the first make too 04:13:05 because it gets generated by ./configure, and that doesn't make it executable 04:13:19 so you can't run emc before building.. which isn't that bad 04:13:59 Hmm... ok. Something strange must have happend on my first make, with the cruft, as a bunch of stuff didn't happen. But it all seems ok now. 04:14:15 And, the newer emc2 + axis seems to be happy with my file now. Yay! 04:14:26 cool 04:19:28 Doh... darn... it still doesn't like my file when there's actually a value in the tool table. Doh. 04:19:55 what's wrong? 04:19:58 strange.. 04:20:06 same error? 04:20:15 I get that same error about D need G41 or G42, even though it's there. 04:20:25 Dx complaining on G41 I think 04:20:31 Yep... I'll retry without axis. I bet it's an emc2 thing though. 04:23:28 I'm off to bed 04:23:30 hmm... axis gives me the error when I load. tkemc doesn't, but when I run the program, it tells me "Cutter gouging with radius comp"... Maybe there is a problem with my math in the file. 04:23:37 g'night, alex_joni! 04:23:42 night all 04:23:43 goodnight 04:24:06 zwisk: we've seen off-by-one errors before; I don't remember how/if we fixed it 04:24:27 zwisk: so maybe axis is showing a wrong error 04:24:42 hmm... so, like erorr -18 instead of error -19 sort of a thing? 04:24:42 or tkemc 04:25:22 but probably axis.. (there might have been changes by lerman stuff to interp lately) 04:25:43 zwisk: right 04:25:45 yeah 04:25:50 71 is gouging 04:25:52 72 is "D word" 04:26:07 Interesting. 04:26:17 ok, now I'm gone.. I can see the sun, need to hide.. quick 04:26:21 alex_joni_ has quit 04:27:23 zwisk: submit a bug report in the sf bug tracker (axis category) with the details please (attaching the shortest-possible program that reproduces the bug would be great) 04:27:38 ok.. will do... 04:27:42 thanks 04:27:47 that will make sure it doesn't get lost 04:35:26 cradek - so is axis part of emc2 now? if I where to cvs emc2 - axis would be there? If not will it at some point? 04:35:41 no, it's separate 04:35:49 the bug tracker is on sourceforge though. 04:36:26 I was wondering. (it is painless to install anyway ;) 04:36:38 yeah it's pretty easy nowadays 04:36:59 when we make the emc2 release tarball, I'll make an axis release tarball and put them together in the files section 04:38:18 the axis-emc2 install on the wiki page should updated. Is that something anyone can do? 04:40:43 url? 04:41:09 http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi/installing 04:41:20 these are our latest instructions for axis installation 04:41:33 If you're talking about the emc wiki, yes, anyone can update it 04:41:49 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Compiling_Axis_EMC2 04:42:01 your directions work great 04:42:43 yeah these wiki instructions are totally outdated 04:43:17 it used to be a really touchy process. 04:43:22 initially I was using parts from the wiki page and some from yours. now yours is totally correct 04:43:35 I remember ;) 04:44:04 (for the bdi 4.3) 04:44:12 all I have experience with 04:44:39 I have to go to bed - talk to you later. 04:44:45 there, I "fixed" the wiki page 04:45:06 ;) damn your good 04:45:11 haha 04:45:15 thanks for filing that bug report 04:45:24 we'll probably look into it shortly 04:45:33 yep... no problem. Lemme know if you can't reproduce it or anything... 04:45:40 will do 04:46:06 more interp issues - or differnt bug you think? 04:46:19 hard to say... 04:46:28 I am sure our errors used to be right 04:46:31 (I got them all the time) 04:46:42 if they are off by one now, it's probably due to an emc2 change 04:46:50 have to dig into it 04:47:15 well - night. 04:47:16 is your axis build new from scratch? 04:47:33 I mean, did you untar the source and build it fresh? 04:48:08 It should be. 04:48:11 ok 04:48:16 skunkworks has quit 04:48:30 (it as untar'd from a cvs snapshot) 04:48:36 ok 04:48:43 just wondered if you had an old axis build in that directory 04:48:47 obviously not 04:49:27 Would python get confused by existing 'compiled' files or somesuch? 04:49:37 sometimes it seems not-very-smart 04:49:46 rm -r build is always a good practice 04:51:09 argh, too late to start on this :-) 04:51:11 maybe tomorrow 04:51:25 k'... No huge rush :) 04:52:34 chris___ has joined #emc 04:53:40 hiya 04:54:41 hello 04:58:14 i use emc1 is it worth upgrading to emc2? 04:59:18 that depends on lots of things! 04:59:34 the first emc2 release is upcoming soon 04:59:51 if you want to help develop or test emc2, you can install it alongside your emc1 05:00:03 ok well i've dled the cvs and compiling seemed to work, but i didnt really try it 05:00:14 if emc1 is working perfectly and you're not interested in developing or testing, it might be best to wait for the release 05:00:39 if emc1 has bugs that affect you and are fixed in emc2 (there are several) then you might want to upgrade 05:01:01 i wouldnt mind testing it, ive only got a simple 3 axis mill and i think i use steppmod on emc1 05:01:24 for 3 axis steppers it will be really easy to set up and use emc2 05:01:42 emc2 performs somewhat better with steppers 05:01:54 ive noticed a very strange bug on emc1 i dont know if it exists on emc2 05:02:31 i think its steppers, parallel port step/direction.... 05:02:51 what's the bug? 05:03:13 i use eagle to crate pcbs, and pcb-gcode to create the gcode 05:03:39 cool, I do that too 05:03:59 http://timeguy.com/cradek/cnc/pcb 05:04:07 if i open and run the file the dimentions are wrong e.g when going to z -0.007 it doesnt work 05:04:23 if i first step through each instruction before running it works properly 05:04:37 when you say it doesn't work, what do you mean exactly? 05:04:58 actually i just need to step through the first few instructions, then it works fine after that 05:05:26 it doesnt go to 0.007 it goes to some other distance like 0.345 e.g 05:05:43 bizarre 05:05:46 very 05:06:06 that sounds like it would be hard on your tooling! 05:06:16 but to fix it i just step through the first few instructions 05:06:41 I've never seen that kind of behavior 05:06:46 how old is your emc? 05:06:53 i have it happens everytime 05:07:04 1year maybe older 05:07:17 when emc2 wasnt working 05:07:28 would you send your g-code file to me: chris@timeguy.com 05:07:40 and I'll help you debug more tomorrow if you come back 05:07:44 it's bedtime here... 05:08:15 ok i'll see 05:08:37 I'll be around starting at 1400-1500UTC 05:08:47 so i was thinking upgrade to emc2 and use axis 05:09:14 that's probably a great idea if you're having problems with your version. 05:09:25 see you tomorrow, goodnight 05:09:46 cya 05:10:12 anyone else here? 05:11:48 hi chris...here for a little 05:14:22 ok 05:14:27 re emc2 05:14:49 its asking for an emc.nml file when i try to run it 05:15:11 I am a commercial user of emc1 05:15:23 looking at emc2 05:15:29 but it is still beta 05:15:51 ok, i use emc1 too, decided to update to emc2 becuse of some wired bug ive got 05:16:25 emc1 has faults, but is fairly stable and works 05:16:33 what bug? 05:16:42 yes emc1 does work 05:17:07 its a strange problem with the z axis not going to what is stated in the file 05:17:21 hmm 05:17:25 it will if i step through a few instructions first 05:17:33 you are using stepper? 05:17:34 then any file i load works properly 05:17:39 yes 05:18:23 hmm I have not seenthat. I use servo, and have many thousands of commercial parts made 05:18:48 I use about a 9 month old version though 05:19:08 nobody has seen it, my version is about a year old 05:19:15 wow 05:19:18 hmm 05:19:25 what kinda parts do you make? 05:19:49 heh...prototypes...but mostly turley calls 05:19:56 many thoudsands 05:20:06 turley calls? 05:20:07 turkey calls 05:20:17 i'll show you 05:20:20 what are they? 05:21:00 http://www.lmwatts.com/gallery.html 05:21:10 scroll to the bottom 05:21:49 what do they do? 05:22:01 for hunters 05:22:08 hunting turkeys? 05:22:09 make turkey sounds 05:22:12 ok 05:22:32 made 10,000 last year with emc1 05:22:47 what software do you use for designing things? 05:23:06 autocad and millwrite 2000 05:23:25 ok 05:23:27 also artcam 05:24:18 i should of left my computer on so i could try getting emc2 to work 05:24:46 I am working on some emc 2 stuff a little 05:24:56 have you got emc2 to work? 05:24:56 but production uses emc1 05:25:03 no 05:25:12 but have not tried much 05:25:12 where you stuck? 05:25:26 if there is a bug I have to lay off workers 05:25:35 can't mess with it much yet 05:26:09 I'm not stuck..I just don't use beta software in production 05:26:25 what bout for testing? 05:26:37 I plan to do some 05:27:17 emc1 has flaws, and someday emc2 will fox those we hope 05:27:23 i know nothing about it, i just started today 05:27:24 fix 05:29:05 I have to be very careful about testing. My machine is big, pushing a 4 KW spindle on a 500 kG gantry at very high speeds 05:29:29 a software error could cost tens of thousands of dollars 05:30:11 youd really hate my software bug, itll jam the bit through your table 05:30:46 i just have a small 3 axis mill 05:31:09 I call it cnc wood splitter syndrome...since my machine has 2200 pounds of force peak 05:31:38 my machine cando metal too though. 05:31:39 thats a really big machine 05:31:44 yeah. 05:31:57 Hi les_w 05:32:05 hey jymmm 05:32:10 Up late 05:32:22 les_w only 21:20 here 05:32:28 was playng trivial pursuit on paltalk. 05:32:31 had a blast 05:32:33 arent you lucky these people like me that tests the software 05:32:45 its 16:30 here 05:33:05 it's tommorow here. 05:33:09 les_w I know your good at math, what about algos? 05:33:16 wednesday here 05:33:26 ah 05:34:01 my trivial pursuit game was australia 05:34:33 les_w you party animal you =) 05:34:39 its like 16:00 to 19:00 over here when its nye in america 05:34:40 i do aldos. I guess they taught us some about that at engineering school. 05:35:06 australian trivial pursuit? 05:35:09 got one answer. Qustion was: 05:35:28 what does an emetic do? 05:35:32 les_w: Ok, not tonight, but I might hit you up after I do some more research. 05:35:43 les_w stuff 05:36:02 I give up 05:36:06 I typed " makes you feed your young" 05:36:10 got it 05:36:12 hahaha 05:36:49 and chris..missed on one question: 05:36:53 les_w you might like boulderdash/baulderdash then 05:37:28 what do they locally reffer people from Sydney as? 05:37:33 I said: 05:37:41 Sydiots? 05:37:48 lol 05:38:03 wankers 05:38:07 im from melbourne 05:38:08 hey, your emetic answer would be correct, if your a bird. 05:38:15 great fun for a guy stuck out in the woods. 05:38:36 whats the answer? 05:38:46 induces vomiting 05:38:56 the sydney people? 05:39:01 oh, heh 05:39:07 ah it was a joke 05:39:12 i know they induce vomiting 05:39:58 most of the questions involed aussie slang so I would miss them 05:40:06 such as? 05:40:22 I know "spit the dummy "and a few things 05:40:32 hahah, yeah 05:40:33 had GDF from NSW 05:40:38 GF 05:40:58 white maggot, dish licker, dead horse, yobo 05:41:05 haha 05:41:13 yobo? 05:41:29 My GF said arvo a lot. 05:41:55 typical aussie, wearing stubbies and drinking stubbies at the cricket, thats a type of yobo 05:42:07 heh 05:42:24 wearing stubbies? 05:42:31 shorts 05:42:32 like an aussie yuppie eh 05:42:35 ah 05:42:43 a yobo would be an anti-yuppie 05:42:50 er, right :P 05:43:04 Well it's just after work for you guys...an ungodly hour for me 05:43:20 the witching hour 05:43:22 no im doing shift work, just started 05:43:23 the hole in my stomach is acting up...can't sleep 05:43:47 the damn hippies are cutting up squirrel carcasses in my kitchen 05:43:50 les_w just dont let the beer leak out... that's alcohol abuse 05:43:58 haha 05:45:02 moggy 05:45:22 les_w let me guess, you got that lovely hole in your corporate slug days? 05:45:47 glad when this spell is over. Type "a". Used to it. 05:46:23 any more aussie slang? 05:46:28 yuck 05:46:52 Ah, my body can't keep up with my head. Worked myself into hospital at corporate in Chicago. 05:46:53 hit the dentist today in and out in under 45 minutes. 05:47:08 Now I own the firm. It's even worse. 05:47:16 les_w fire the owner 05:47:19 pull or root? 05:47:24 my body cant keep up with my head either, usually it works itself out by me being lazy and getting nothing done 05:47:30 les_w let Congo do all the management 05:47:39 he already does 05:48:01 les_w I broke my front tooth 20+ years ago, the bond broke 4 days ago, the put on a new one. 05:48:04 les_w lol 05:48:31 smile! 05:48:46 }/\/\/\/\/\{ 05:48:50 haha 05:48:55 =) 05:49:28 |-|-|_|_|-|-| <- bucktoothed 05:49:38 no pain, no shots either 05:50:00 I always loved buck-toothed girls. 05:50:09 lol 05:50:26 les_w you kinky bastard you! =) 05:50:32 ahem 05:50:45 Knew theres a reason I like ya! 05:50:53 heh 05:52:06 blah. almost 1 am. I have a herd day's work of telephone tag to do tommorrow. 05:52:14 hard 05:52:38 that can be a pain 05:52:46 i'll try to get some sleep if tummy will stop the burn. 05:52:53 les_w Oh, meant to ask you... 05:53:06 ? 05:53:18 les_w HAve you seen 15 deg v cutters that are as durable as 60 or 90 deg? 05:53:41 1/2" or better 05:53:43 15 has got to be fragile 05:53:53 single flute is best 05:54:11 use HSS not carbide 05:54:18 would that casue a lot of deflection? 05:54:39 not so much as just being weak 05:54:43 why HSS ? 05:54:59 carbide too brittle 05:55:06 in other words... 05:55:08 less chance of snapping? 05:55:13 "pingf" 05:55:17 lol 05:55:23 ping 05:55:24 haha 05:55:37 you do that so well, that you can even type it out... the SOUND of experience 05:55:49 well...off to bed 05:55:56 G'Night les_w 05:55:59 night jymmmand chris 05:57:12 night 05:57:27 i thought carbide was better for milling pcbs 05:58:24 pcb's have fiberglass in them which is very hard, so carbide will stay sharp much longer 05:59:23 chris___: the 15 deg wasn't for PCB's in my case. for engraving in wood 05:59:36 you should only be cutting like .01" deep on a pcb so it shouldnt put too mcuh force on the bit 06:00:01 ok, so if i do wood use hss 06:00:13 yeah i got 0.005 on pcbs 06:00:42 chris___: No, les suggested HSS fo rthe 15 deg, as I was askign for DURABLE bits - ones that won't break easily 06:01:00 chris___ 3/4" diameter 06:01:06 in most cases carbide is fine for wood 06:01:19 15 degree is pretty fragile though 06:02:07 what effect does a 15degree bit give? 06:02:38 I'm sound asleep in bed...but we use carbide exclusively for wood. zzzzz 06:02:58 chris___ Just a steep angle is all 06:04:52 yes rather narrow, how wide is the tip? 06:04:53 chris___ mostly just playing around with new design capabilities artistic wise 06:05:17 ok, seeing what it looks like 06:05:42 a very DEEP but narrow groove in some cases 06:06:01 or softer edge in others 06:08:00 yeah from 3/4" at 15 degress it would be rather deep, how deep? 06:10:02 got any pics of your work? 06:10:32 jymmm why dont you just use an endmill? 06:11:25 i guess i dont know what you're doing.. nevermind 06:16:46 fenn you know like a 60 deg v-bit, but a 15 deg one 06:16:55 Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow 06:16:55 Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm 06:24:21 a long tapered bit 06:25:41 basically, yeah. 06:30:35 Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole 06:30:40 MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm 06:32:00 hmmm 06:32:02 chris___ is now known as chris 06:32:10 chris is now known as chrisb 06:32:26 discussion on another channel =) 06:32:38 chrisb is now known as mrchris 06:32:44 what channnel? 06:32:51 php 06:34:51 whats that got to do with emc? 06:35:01 not a thing =) 06:38:29 I have a ton of nicks, depending on the situation =) 06:40:27 ok 07:10:43 stfu i cant think, "i wont some peanuts", thats better 07:13:00 ?! 07:14:17 uh, me too 07:20:55 G'Night Folks! 07:22:38 Jymmm has left #emc 07:25:05 night 09:36:18 anyone awake? 09:37:53 i guess you could say that 09:39:19 are you a dev? 09:42:28 or do you run emc2? 09:46:12 both questions subject to interpretation 09:46:22 just ask and i'll see what i can make up 09:47:26 I'm still about... 10:11:22 sorry im at work 10:11:36 i just compiled emc2 today 10:11:53 when i try and run it complains about emc.nml file missing.. 10:15:13 is this come self creatable file, is there a template some where, or is it a mistake, or is the file blank? 10:34:12 you're using a config file from emc1 right? so you need to point it to emc.nml in configs/common or just copy it to the same directory 10:36:50 if you look in emc.ini or whatever your .ini file is called, it should have NMLFILE = emc.nml or something like that 10:40:11 cant look at the file as the computer that runs this is nor turned on, and im at work 10:40:33 yeah i do use emc1, the same file works on both? ill try it out when i get back home 10:41:17 are you using the old .ini file or you're just trying to run the program? 10:42:11 im using the one supplied with emc2 10:42:47 hmm that doesnt sound good 10:43:29 will emc2 work on a vanilla 2.6 kernel? 10:43:34 no 10:43:49 you need rtai patched on it 10:43:49 it needs rtlinux? 10:43:52 right 10:44:25 is there an rtai patch for 2.6, its been about a year since i compiled emc1 10:44:47 you can download rtai and patch + compile a kernel, but it's a big pain 10:44:59 there are debs of a patched kernel somewhere 10:45:08 i use gentoo 10:45:27 blegh 10:45:42 feel free to compile your own kernel then :) 10:45:56 as i always do 10:46:03 or you could extract the kernel from the deb with ar -x i guess 10:46:23 that pc currently uses 2.4.20 with rtlinux 3.2 10:46:40 there is a wiki page detailing how to patch the kernel but it's reportedly out of date 10:47:08 will it work with that kernel? 10:47:22 i'm not sure 10:47:28 i think it does.. cradek uses rtlinux 10:47:51 emc1 works, emc2 seemed to compile ok 10:48:06 and you're getting an nml file error? weird 10:48:06 i got upto the missing emc.nml file before i had to go to work is all 10:49:07 its not in the configs directory 10:49:31 configs/common/emc.nml 10:49:48 i'll check it out when i get home 10:50:00 dude, ssh rocks 10:50:16 you can crash your computer from halfway around the world 11:04:54 it sure does, and power switch it the king when it comes to firewalls 11:06:09 Jacky^ has joined #emc 11:06:14 morning 11:06:17 i'll check it out when i get home and disable the greatest firewall ever 11:15:16 hi 11:59:12 Jacky^ has quit 12:01:45 mrchris has quit 13:05:32 skunkworks has joined #emc 13:35:00 zwisk: thanks for figuring out what was going on. I'm not sure what I'll do to fix it, since I want axis to run on emc1 and emc2 .. 14:11:31 A-L-P-H-A has quit 14:23:04 cncuser has joined #emc 14:23:10 hello 14:25:01 hi alexjoni, cradek, jepler :) 14:25:26 hello 14:25:27 i just saw that there is an new axis release in the wild :) 14:25:34 yes axis 1.1 is released 14:25:47 is this one with or without the pzopengl dependencies ? 14:25:55 pyopengl 14:25:56 without 14:26:01 nice :)) 14:27:48 i played around another few hoiurs with the devel release of puppysit. its far from beeing finished but i am thinking if i should go towards 2.6 kernels or if i should stay swith 2.4. 14:28:13 has anyone some points for or against each ? 14:28:37 regarding emc2 and rtai 14:28:44 2.4 can run all versions of emc, 2.6 can't 14:28:55 hmm, thats a big point 14:29:02 because of that I think you should not pick 2.6 unless you have a very good reason 14:29:15 cradek: are there many people still using emc1 ? 14:29:32 cradek: thanks, didnt know that 14:29:38 I think virtually everyone but developers and a few testers are using emc1 14:29:51 hehe :) 14:30:01 but those users aren't going to care about puppy, because they're already installed 14:30:41 I've had good luck running 2.4.31 with SATA on lots of modern hardware 14:30:56 I don't see any overriding reason to go to 2.6 yet (wrt hardware support) 14:31:18 cradek: yes i too. i personallz like 2.4 kernel very much. the compiletime isnt that long ;) 14:34:23 cncuser: did you see that for AXIS 1.2 we'll support i18n? 14:34:40 cncuser: http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi/01136301942 14:40:07 jepler: no i didnt, cool :) 14:40:42 cncuser: I think you asked me about it once in the past 14:41:07 jepler: yes, i remember. cool you did it . 14:43:09 cncuser: can you think of a shorter translation for "Feed Override (%):"? The one alex gave me stretches the whole screen wider as you can see in the screenshot 14:47:29 hmmm 15:00:40 Jacky^ has joined #emc 15:00:42 hard :) for feed is not speed(geschwindigkeit) but in this case its the closest thing i can imagine. maybe one could say "Geschwindigkeitsanpassung" which says "speed modification" instead of "Geschwindigkeitsuebersteuerung" 15:00:54 hello 15:00:59 hi jacky 15:01:20 saves a few letters :) 15:01:46 maybe I'll see if I can just split it over two lines without it looking too bad 15:01:58 how about replacing it with Gesch...ung 15:02:18 cradek: thats not readable :) 15:02:34 it was an earthquake in california ? 15:02:36 I'm kidding, but it looks just as readable to me 15:02:44 cradek: hehe :) 15:02:55 Jacky^: I didn't hear about that, I hope it wasn't a big one 15:03:29 6.5 richtel , seem strong enough :/ 15:03:52 the only good thing it was in the sea, away from LA 15:04:47 probably anyone heard it around there 15:07:28 bah, .. going aout for a bit of shopping ;) 15:07:30 later 15:08:01 Jacky^ has quit 15:44:03 maybe "Vorschubanpassung" 15:44:20 Vorschub seems the to be the correct whng instead of speed 15:44:52 brb, i change client 15:44:55 cncuser has quit 15:49:16 cncuser has joined #emc 15:50:08 morning 15:51:09 hi les 15:52:28 know what? at 7:45 I got a conference call from about 6 engineers from a vendor. I answered it in my robe. 15:52:55 half awake 15:53:24 not a call you were expecting? 15:53:35 yes but not at that hour 15:54:09 lucky I was not in the shower 15:55:28 those guys at morgan electro ceramics sure get up with the chickens 15:55:48 hah 15:56:00 I usually do too, but stayed up late last night playing trivial pursuit. 15:56:51 skunkworks has quit 16:20:53 skunkworks has joined #emc 16:39:39 johenry has joined #emc 16:45:19 johenry has quit 16:47:37 johenry has joined #emc 16:47:56 anyone seen ray henry? 17:03:26 not today 17:04:18 thanks 17:04:23 he was around yesterday 17:05:28 I thought he lived here...guess I'll shoot him an e-mail. 17:09:06 johenry has quit 17:51:01 blah rewiring the cnc control...I had grounded the 82c55 with normally closed for home switches on the stg dio. 17:51:13 it has a 10k pull up to +5 17:51:25 no wonder I was getting false home trips 17:52:04 better put optos onthat 17:52:25 changing all control lines to 24v 17:52:50 sounds like a plan. 17:55:33 yeah the new high power spindle makes a lot of electrical nasties 18:00:11 when we where having problems with steppers - my next try was running higher voltage control (higher than 5v) - but it ended up being we where overdriving the stepper. 18:05:39 Well I false trigger z home some...it's running the furthest with home cable next to high current srvo and spindle likes 18:05:47 lines 18:07:09 makes sense - have you been able to test the spindle yet (actual cutting)? 18:07:14 searching for something 24v (possibly balanced) to ttl....don't want to solder up stuff 18:07:25 want something ready made here 18:07:39 thats cheating ;) 18:07:58 no spindle not running...had major surgery to accomodate the fat wiring 18:08:10 new igus flex conduit 18:08:33 making a few other changes too 18:08:36 are you running the vfd at the spindle or on the other end? 18:08:44 other end 18:08:49 20 feet 18:09:06 cable is shirlded though 18:09:12 shielded 18:09:41 Igus chainflex high flex vfd cable 18:10:38 nice 18:11:08 So I am just doing a whole service interval while the machine is down 18:11:34 are you going to re-map the leadscrew? 18:11:39 leadscrews? 18:12:04 I will do a quick check yeah 18:12:20 preload torque has dropped to about half 18:12:27 it has had lots of use 18:12:34 how many hours do you think? 18:13:17 don't have a timer on it...I know we did 80,000 drill peck cycles last year 18:13:34 poor thing ;) 18:13:38 10,000 turkey calls 18:13:51 heh yeah 18:13:53 is your z axis preloaded in any way? 18:14:02 It's built for it though 18:14:09 (counter-balanced) 18:14:21 yes...all screws and rails are preloaded 18:14:32 oh balanced...no 18:14:42 wrong terms - sorry ;) 18:14:48 don't need to 18:15:00 has just enough friction not to fall 18:15:12 johenry has joined #emc 18:15:14 that works 18:15:20 yeah 18:15:44 johenry has left #emc 18:16:11 it's 2:1 timing belt....that is where I get the friction 18:16:24 if it was direct drive it would fall 18:17:00 oh oh....people coming to fell 4 ft diam oak tree! 18:17:05 BBIAW 18:17:13 good luck 18:18:41 ah false alarm 18:19:03 tree is sick and has to go for shop expansion 18:19:10 plenty of firewood huh 18:21:26 yes - can't get any good lumber out of it? 18:22:23 I doubt it. prob hollow and full of nails. We'll check and if it looks good we can put some on the saw. 18:23:06 have a saw mill? 18:23:10 I think it is too big for our woodmizer...it is 36" max diameter 18:23:20 woodmizer - cool - 18:23:30 yeah cousin has 24 hp full hydraulic woodmizer mill 18:23:38 I think that is what my grandfather has 18:23:44 handy. 18:23:46 yes 18:24:00 as long as there are no nails 18:24:03 ;) 18:24:11 but this tree is over 48" at the base 18:25:06 red oak 18:25:14 make a lot of florring huh 18:25:27 prob half rotten and bad 18:25:28 nice 18:25:33 like you say - hollow 18:25:46 yeah, think so 18:26:12 durn...looks like I will be soldering optos on a board 18:26:53 can't find some little cheap something redy made 18:28:53 I have not run across what you want - doesn't men anything though 18:30:06 here you go les - big picture 2MB but kinda neet 18:30:07 http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/DSC02968.JPG 18:31:23 something my dad and his brothers built quite a while ago. 18:33:10 looking 18:34:07 oh, neat! 18:35:12 used to have a gas engine as it was "portable" - now it has a 20hp 3 phase motor. 18:35:18 a lot nicer 18:36:30 the throat is about 2 feet. 18:37:29 I still don't have the solar kiln up 18:37:41 just too much other stuff to do 18:37:51 you have that problem too? 18:38:48 Well, I am completely booked up on consulting. I get a break here of a few days waitng for a vendor to make some custon piezo devices though 18:39:10 so I can work on the machine a little 19:08:45 rayh has joined #emc 19:15:43 Jacky^ has joined #emc 19:15:51 hi 19:16:40 hi jacky 19:17:00 Hello Jacky^ 19:17:22 ray someone was hunting for you 19:17:29 hi guys :) 19:17:33 Was that harbor picture from your balcony? 19:17:55 les_w: Yep. Saw that. 19:18:31 question ray...did you guys just use phototransistor optos for 24v to ttl on that mazak? 19:19:30 One IO interface card was Vital. 16 in opto and 8 dc out. 19:19:59 The others were opto-22 19:20:33 well I gotta go to 24 for home and limit. Stg already has 10 k pullups on the dig ins 19:21:13 just series resistor to the led and use the existing pullup in the stg should work. 19:21:15 http://cgi.ebay.com/OPTO-22-PB16L-DC-INPUT-16-Channel-Board_W0QQitemZ7577371753QQcategoryZ97184QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 19:21:23 looking 19:21:41 throw in a few input modules, and you should be all set 19:21:57 alex_joni_ has joined #emc 19:22:36 looks good 19:22:45 hi les 19:22:57 only have6 to isolate though 19:22:57 evening alex_joni_ 19:23:01 hi alex_joni_ 19:23:08 grab parts from the drawer... 19:23:14 hi rayh 19:23:14 hi alex 19:23:19 I just did a search for (opto22, opto-22, opto 22) (with the parens) 19:24:08 kinda doing wiring rework and standard service interval for the machine 19:24:17 les_w: question about voltage, do you have 220 V there too ? 19:24:24 yes 19:24:30 good :) 19:24:38 but that's between 2 phases 19:24:50 or standard 220V 1-phase? 19:24:55 I have 220-240 single and 3 phase 19:25:28 thats ok for many carpentier machines .. 19:25:34 we use 380 V here too 19:25:39 for that 19:25:57 most of our handheld tools are 120v...like routers 19:26:18 the new spindle is 220 delta 380 wye 19:26:44 rcsu has joined #emc 19:26:49 I am using 220 19:27:30 230 actually...that's what I am getting since they replaced the power line 19:27:30 220 here is used for light jobs 19:27:41 but probabbly enough in most case 19:27:47 goes through forest and squirells chewed it up 19:28:33 chewed the neutral badly 19:28:39 shocking. 19:28:42 les_w: K4ts bought a nice gift for you, it require 220 V, planning to send all in the next days .. 19:28:56 Im loking for some good pasta, and limoncello :) 19:28:59 oh ty 19:29:11 I will ask you, later, for the correct address 19:29:19 in email 19:29:19 ah you will make me hungry again 19:29:26 ok 19:29:27 hehehe 19:29:53 dinner time.. later 19:29:59 Jacky^ has quit 19:30:01 later! 19:30:32 it is nice having 3 phase - motors are cheap around here. 19:31:11 SWP the only signal lines I will be running at 5v are encoders. Shielded twisted pair though. 19:31:42 you may find that those will need to be differential (if they're not already) 19:32:07 they are 19:32:22 always! 19:32:24 heh 19:32:36 and only grounded at one end :) 19:32:45 yup 19:33:19 Hey I build big audio power amps some....very familiar with ground loops! 19:33:39 really matters on 1500 watt amps!! 19:34:24 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/ini/initraj.cc: fixing bug #1387737, starting with 0 default vel on startup now 19:34:31 sometimes even with careful star grounding you get some 19:35:00 speakers are 100 dba 1 meter 2.83v.... 19:35:15 so tiny tiny ground currents can be heard 19:35:16 cool alex - did you look at the other bug - no movement causes feedrate set to 0? 19:36:23 rcsu has left #emc 19:36:52 oowww...can't find any optos in the parts drawers 19:36:58 thought I had some. 19:37:56 oh well...have to do a mouser and digi key order anyway. 19:38:05 time for a mouser/digikey order? 19:38:14 have to replentish the parts bins 19:38:22 ;) 19:38:35 Oh I give digi key many thousands a year! 19:38:50 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/task/emccanon.cc: fix bug #1387740, a motion that goes nowhere clears feedrate. indeed the case when neither linear nor angular move, wasn't checked 19:39:06 speak of the devil - nice going alex 19:39:08 get a phone book about once a week it seems 19:39:19 (digi key catalog) 19:39:35 yay 19:39:40 same here - when I was a kid the digikey catalog was my chistmas catalog 19:40:07 skunkworks: ;-) 19:40:37 cradek that motion bug in cannon must go way back 19:41:01 what motion bug? 19:41:17 zero move clears feed 19:41:29 actually is it a bug.... 19:41:37 it was in emc1 too? 19:42:04 a zero length move kinda implies F0...and it's modal... 19:42:06 I don't think that was a bug in emc1 19:42:14 hmm ok 19:42:22 I tested it (but not carefully) 19:42:37 ok.. 19:42:45 my testing has sure been wrong before (as alex knows) 19:42:53 heh 19:42:54 cradek: fair enough for me.. 19:44:27 cradek: I think the bug is there too 19:44:36 can you test on an emc1 ? 19:44:42 open MDI, issue F100 19:44:44 it only did it in mdi though - iirc 19:44:50 then on the next line, G1X1 19:44:55 and see what happens 19:45:07 mine went to x1 19:45:29 fairly quickly 19:46:08 actually I don't think it was in emc1...cam often makes repeated moves 19:46:17 zero length 19:46:46 alex_joni_: were those the complete instructions? 19:46:49 jepler: ok, then probably it does work ok in emc1 19:47:00 not totally sure 19:47:01 I got a feedrate error with: F100 / G1X1 / G1X1 / G1X0 19:47:08 oh.. 19:47:09 mdi g1x1f100 19:47:11 x1 19:47:16 then x0 19:47:23 it barfs? 19:47:31 skunkworks: or it works? 19:47:32 the second x1 move then zeros the feed 19:47:38 ok, same error 19:47:40 Paul and I were hunting for zero length moves as we were trying to dicover the cause of stutter 19:47:45 found some 19:47:53 but they caused no problem 19:47:58 "cannot do g1 with zero feed rate" 19:48:15 les - it was only in mdi 19:48:44 this was just reapeated commands...like g1x1 g1x1 19:48:56 jepler - so emc1 does the same thing? 19:49:04 yes, it looks like emc1 has the same bug 19:49:17 never tested in MDI 19:49:20 les_w: probably in auto it works, this is MDI related 19:49:28 right 19:50:06 03alex_joni * 10emc/src/emctask/emccanon.cc: bugfix for motion that goes nowhere clears feedrate 19:50:13 jepler: not anymore (emc1 has the same bug) 19:50:30 haha 19:52:09 interesting. I guess no one noticed it before - not that it was a big deal - just annoying 19:52:21 yeah 19:52:23 I don't do many G1 moves in mdi 19:52:28 I don't do much mdi 19:52:29 me either 19:52:58 anyways, nice of cradek to spot it 19:52:58 Just touchoffs and stuff 19:53:01 cradek tested it in auto and it worked 19:53:03 yeah. 19:53:08 it's a little disconcerting that our "stable" version has more bugs than our devel version 19:53:28 it means "devel" is doing something right? 19:53:36 jepler: lol, yes :D 19:53:37 (except for the "getting released" part anyway) 19:54:15 jepler: what axis should I get? 1.1 or latest? 19:55:24 It appears that if I have problems with the new spindle at high speeds just a motenc and fast box will help 19:55:28 stg is slow 19:55:46 motenc can do 8000 updates/sec 19:55:53 easily 19:56:27 we still had slight misblend spikes even sfter the fix though 19:56:37 It's just the are very small 19:56:46 compared to what they were 19:57:16 hi alex_joni :) what do you thing about "Vorlaufanpassung" anstelle von "Geschwindigkeits Uebersteuerung" 19:57:28 s/thing/think/ 19:58:33 hmm, but hmm, modification and override isnt quite the same 19:58:40 ok, ill be back later 19:59:03 cncuser: wasn't my idea Uebersteuerung 19:59:13 read it somewhere, and I thought it's ok 19:59:25 anpassung might be ok too, but it's not that conclusive 19:59:33 Either is large or long for that button! 19:59:58 not your button ;) it's for AXIS 20:00:05 on tkemc I have it shorter 20:00:33 Ah. When you get some time I need you to explain a bit about msgcat 20:00:34 alex_joni: yeah, its ok. i think about it for a few hours now ;) and havent found a snappy german translation. but i think geschwindigkeit = speed doesnt quite meet the point. if its feed like feedrate it should be "vorlauf". 20:07:31 vorlauf sounds strange.. 20:10:02 brb 20:10:07 cradek has left #emc 20:10:53 cradek_ has joined #emc 20:13:04 till just posted a movie of his new emc2 machine 20:13:44 he did? 20:13:51 * alex_joni_ is anctious to see :D 20:14:01 booting a doze box for the player :D 20:14:07 url? 20:14:30 http://www.audiflitzer.de/mov/newmixer.mov 20:14:35 pretty neat 20:15:02 whizzing right along 20:15:15 looks like at least 0.1g 20:17:18 * rayh is jealous of quick connections to web. 20:18:01 what's the purpose of the extra axis? 20:22:54 not sure! 20:22:59 weird 20:25:49 maybe it can accel faster (to draw short things in X?) 20:26:08 cradek_ is now known as cradek 20:26:20 ah a clue. Is this like a pantograph pen plotter. 20:26:33 yes it's a plotter 20:26:42 do you want a still of it? 20:26:52 yes. 20:27:37 can you receive dcc? 20:27:44 should be able to. 20:28:06 on its way... 20:28:25 yep looks like it's sending 20:28:34 it's 49k 20:28:43 thanks 20:28:47 welcome 20:29:30 If I had to guess it's purpose it is to prove that it can be done. 20:29:39 quite likely 20:33:37 Interesting. 20:35:21 Jacky^ has joined #emc 20:35:25 re 20:36:03 cradek: it's a mixed kinematics 20:36:13 the short one is moving more quickly than the large X 20:38:07 yeah, I can sure see that 20:38:27 so whenever the movement can be done by only the short one, that one's used 20:38:52 looks like the short one also "leads" the long one 20:39:59 too bad we can't see what it draws (I think it's drawing in the air) 20:40:56 that' a good concept for an EDM machine 20:40:57 that's 20:46:09 definitely want to keep non-trivial kinematics. 20:46:59 absolutely - I think emc is the only (non-vendor-specific) machine controller with that capability 20:47:21 OpenCNC may also do it, I guess 20:47:58 When I visited Till years ago he had a little 6" square hexapod paperweight on his desk. 20:48:13 He was running it with a very old 486 processor. 20:48:24 I have a robotic arm that I want emc to run someday 20:49:09 * alex_joni_ is so happy Till's machine is running emc2 ;) 20:49:17 with STG2 you know ;) 20:49:23 yay 20:49:28 cradek: stacked rotaries? 20:49:45 rayh: I don't know much about it, but yes I think that's what you would call it 20:50:05 I don't remember where it came from 20:50:13 it has a terrible built-in controller that barely works 20:50:16 I think it's very old 20:50:31 How big a machine is this? 20:51:09 the base is maybe a foot square and it has a reach of maybe 1.5' radius 20:51:30 I think it's a "large toy" size 20:51:48 Sounds like a lot of fun. 20:51:59 yeah, I'll try to remember to take a pic of it 20:52:54 the mixed kinetics is a slick idea 20:55:35 K4ts_ has joined #emc 20:56:07 hello! 20:57:06 hello K4ts_ 20:57:20 how are U ? :P 20:57:23 cradek: emc2 is a must for that 21:01:19 do you guys know a way to snapshot more than one desktop ? 21:01:58 a collage ? 21:02:31 I use ksnapshot , for a single shot 21:03:45 ok.. brb 21:03:47 alex_joni_ has left #emc 21:06:49 alex_joni_ has joined #emc 21:07:19 anonimasu has joined #emc 21:07:40 hi anders 21:09:51 http://www.isw.uni-stuttgart.de/personen/t_franit/modell/index.html 21:10:29 alex_joni_ has quit 21:10:38 hey 21:10:44 how are you doing? 21:11:04 rayh: wow :D 21:11:08 hi anonimasu 21:13:23 nice here 21:13:31 catch you guys later. 21:13:34 rayh has quit 21:15:08 the only issue Ive K4ts_ is tryng to kill me with pasta and fish .. 21:15:21 hehe 21:15:22 ^_^ 21:15:25 sounds nice 21:15:32 im not sure how much a long ill survive :( 21:15:46 http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/cena03/ 21:15:58 thats the second round 21:16:34 i wonder if when ill came back ill have 20-30 kg more :( 21:18:32 ive no more space .. 21:20:02 anonimasu: and there ? whats up ? 21:20:06 working ? 21:20:17 alex_joni_ has joined #emc 21:21:27 not much 21:21:32 I am sick atm 21:21:45 bad weather ? 21:22:01 regular cold :) 21:22:07 here is raining since 22 dic without break :( 21:22:26 waiting for a nice sun day to get some nice photos 21:22:28 :/ 21:22:52 I really prefer the snow to the rain 21:23:07 but .. we are to near to the sea for that 21:23:26 thats is called the city of sun .. 21:23:29 naples 21:23:54 you know, first af all pizza was born here 21:23:58 going to head to bed in a little bit 21:24:00 tomatoes too 21:24:11 ok.. :) 21:24:36 yay it works.. 21:24:43 who wants to see a snapshot? 21:24:51 ready :) 21:25:32 alex_joni: what does? 21:27:39 Jacky^: got the DCC request? 21:28:07 anonimasu: it all does ;) 21:28:12 AXIS & tkemc & emc2 21:29:25 uhm 21:29:38 damn win fw 21:31:03 Imperator_ has joined #emc 21:31:36 :( 21:32:14 :-) 21:32:25 oh.. and mini too :D 21:32:53 Hi Alex 21:32:59 Hi martin 21:33:03 hello Imperator_ 21:33:05 * alex_joni_ is running 3 GUI's 21:33:21 Hi Jacky 21:34:23 alex_joni_: neat 21:34:49 alex_joni_: you should start keystick, emctop.py and maybe mdi.py too 21:35:14 lol.. mdi is no good, running auto now 21:35:40 :P 21:35:41 yeah, not much to do with mdi.py if you're actually running a program 21:40:39 Imperator_: how are you Martin? 21:41:11 hm, a bit stressed 21:41:20 a lot to do at work 21:41:35 and you ? 21:41:59 OK.. vacation still 21:43:07 you are lucky, i had only two days one before x-mas and one afterwards 21:43:24 :( 21:43:26 too bad 21:43:42 thats live 21:45:48 some news ? 21:45:53 Imperator_: sometime the stress help peoples to go on 21:45:55 :) 21:46:08 :-) 21:46:13 I personally prefer a clean cut .. 21:46:35 I will start in 15 jan again 21:46:53 I taked 1 mounth :P 21:46:55 a lot 21:47:12 but in august I was working .. 21:47:16 all the summer 21:47:21 http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/emcstuff/interfaces/ 21:47:25 feast your eyes :D 21:47:40 three days? Luxury! All my employer gives is one day (in this case, the monday after christmas) 21:47:45 plus one more day for new year's 21:48:01 * alex_joni_ had off since the 23rd 21:48:08 till on the 8th.Jan 21:48:16 hehe alex_joni_ cool 21:48:26 if only the numbers were the same ;) 21:48:30 really nice :) 21:48:31 cool 21:48:37 alex_joni_: run emctop too 21:48:43 the only thing I dont like is the wm :( 21:48:45 SWPadnos: should have been.. didn't check 21:49:01 when youll try Ion3 ? :P 21:49:06 almost, but not quite (X looks to be the same) 21:49:21 X&Z 21:49:24 picnet has joined #emc 21:49:27 only Y was moving I think 21:49:32 I think those are the biggest window titlebars I've ever seen 21:49:32 well AXIS is the main GUI 21:49:32 * Jacky^ is playng with ion3 and his laptop a bit .. 21:49:40 its cooool :D 21:49:44 the others get it from NML 21:49:48 cradek: shush :D 21:49:49 great 21:49:56 hi folks 21:49:56 :)) 21:50:06 they're all polling - it's no surprise they all show slightly different numbers 21:50:19 Hi Steven, have you done some programming on the FPGA Software for the Mesanet card ? 21:50:20 and the screenshot is not momentarely 21:50:35 not done momentarely I think 21:50:45 Imperator_, nope - though I finally installed it into my EMC machine :) 21:50:47 ok.. done with emc2 for today.. 21:51:01 booting a doze to see Till's movie ;) 21:51:03 alex_joni_ has left #emc 21:51:14 alex_joni: you should have tried mplayer .. it played just fine in my linux 21:51:15 it plays fine in mplayer... 21:51:34 wow mplayer rocks 21:51:37 :D 21:52:08 SWPadnos: ah, ok. I have changed some signals on the pins, so that the counters are running with my hardware. But the DAC is still not implementaded 21:52:10 jepler: I wonder if there is supposed to be sound 21:52:21 I tried ti take a video with my new camera, 3 sec: 7.5 mb O_O 21:52:28 vlc is also nice. 21:52:37 Well - I did finally decide to purchase a huge (expensive) FPGA/PCB development system, so I may be able to get some stuff done now 21:52:40 need o check settings .. 21:52:43 to 21:52:51 (without having to learn eagle / vhdl / etc) 21:53:35 I'll be able to output gerber files, parts lists, and vhdl or verilog source, but probably not editable eagle files 21:54:05 Imperator_: was you working on a homebuilt servo driver ? 21:54:51 SWPadnos: nice 21:54:58 SWPadnos: I agreed FPGA are ice 21:55:04 should be, for $12000 :) 21:55:07 Jacky^: yes, based on the Mesa card 21:55:15 Imperator_: any luck ? 21:55:23 you want to do a bigger project 21:55:47 luck/progress .. 21:56:08 Jacky^: the DAC is still not running 21:56:46 SWPadnos: are you programming FPGAs at work ? 21:56:55 I expect to, yes 21:57:18 ok 21:57:36 the nice thing about the system I bought is that it's vendor-neutral 21:57:49 maybe i have to make a smal developer board, with some switches and leds, to test some simple things 21:57:53 I can retarget the designs to Xilinx, Altera, Actel, Lattice, Atmel, etc 21:58:09 nice 21:58:24 do you have flash player available? 21:58:41 and if you are changing the PCB layout, it changes the software automaticaly 21:58:48 jep 21:58:58 alex_joni_ has joined #emc 21:58:59 yes - I can swap pins while routing, and have the FPGA automatically updated 21:59:37 one sec - I'll get you the URL of one of the coolest features ;) 21:59:53 cradek: there's a new bug already :( 21:59:54 nice stuff, but for smaler projects eagle is perfect ! Your tool is for a proffesional user 22:01:13 http://www.altium.com/Evaluate/DEMOcenter/AltiumDesigner60/EnhancedJTAGDeviceViewer/ 22:01:17 alex_joni_: ?? 22:01:21 click on "view Demo" 22:01:54 D stuff on G51 22:02:13 I don't know what you're talking about... 22:02:22 #106744 22:02:42 G41.. I keep mixing that up :) 22:03:51 how do I go to a SF bug report by number? 22:03:59 hang on 22:04:01 that number is too low 22:04:12 jepler: you go to another one and change the number 22:04:25 https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=106744&aid=1396537&group_id=6744 22:04:29 that's from the mail I got 22:04:41 "Cutter Gouging vs D word requires G41/G42 errors" 22:04:43 this one? 22:04:50 oh that's just an axis bug 22:04:57 right.. is it? 22:04:59 I've fixed that in the HEAD of AXIS now 22:05:05 cool ;) 22:05:18 DING DING! 22:05:36 now I think that axis+emc2 will give the correct error text (the same one shown by tkemc when running the program) 22:05:36 it'll be fixed in 1.1.1 (sigh) 22:05:56 cradek: will it? I'm not sure about putting this fix I made in 1.1.1. 22:06:08 well one way or another, we'll fix the error messages... 22:06:21 DING DING! 22:06:28 I kinda decided to do nothing in 1.1 22:06:40 ok... 22:06:50 but because of the other bug (scrollbars) I do think we need to do 1.1.1. 22:07:00 "axis takes your X server with it" seems kinda bad 22:07:06 yeah, ouch 22:07:13 jepler: how about making the fixes and release 1.1 again :D 22:07:16 he responded that ctrl-alt-backspace did work 22:07:19 lol.. 22:07:22 at least one time 22:07:24 jepler: I guess it is rc1 for a reason 22:07:32 it was.. 22:07:58 cradek: no, this was axis 1.1 final .. or do you mean we'd do a 1.1.1rc1? 22:08:04 I hate when this happens.. 22:08:07 argh, I don't know 22:08:37 alex_joni_: I don't think we should call a different version also 1.1 22:08:51 cradek: I was only kidding 22:08:55 alex_joni_: ah 22:09:14 alex_joni_: if nobody had installed it yet, I'd say we should do that and not tell anyone... but too late. 22:09:16 cvs can't handle the same tag more than once 22:09:24 I didn't install it.. 22:11:12 allrighty.. Radar calling ;) 22:11:24 * alex_joni_ is off to watch some more M.A.S.H. 22:12:23 later.. 22:12:25 alex_joni_ has quit 22:15:43 logger_aj has joined #emc 22:15:43 topic is: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home: www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developers' meetings every Sunday 14:00-18:00 GMT | wiki up @ http://wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller || HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! 22:15:44 Users on #emc: logger_aj picnet Imperator_ anonimasu K4ts_ Jacky^ cradek skunkworks cncuser jtr_ zwisk steves_logging djb_rh RifRaf LawrenceG klick jepler fenn les_w SWPadnos jontow ValarQ alex_joni CIA-8 jtr_away Timbo websys icee ccjoe pc_op @ChanServ 22:18:16 back 22:20:23 picnet has quit 22:29:43 skunkworks has quit 22:41:58 les_w: you around' 22:42:00 ? 23:02:29 A-L-P-H-A has joined #emc 23:02:40 hey A-L-P-H-A 23:03:21 hi 23:03:28 whats up ? 23:04:10 trying to figure out how to copy and php object to another php object... I'm relearning OO programming 23:04:36 uh .. you know whats the best OO language ? 23:04:51 evreyone has their own choices. 23:05:00 yeah, true 23:05:08 but what the best OO language ? :P 23:05:57 I meant the Language where anything is an object :) 23:06:35 do not google ! :P 23:07:33 php is nice, but older .. 23:07:39 obsolete 23:07:53 you need a powerful Language :P 23:08:15 Was playing trivial pursuit on paltalk. 23:08:18 fun 23:08:23 hey les_w 23:08:28 hi jacky 23:08:38 A-L-P-H-A: try RUBY 23:08:40 :) 23:09:10 oops another game...bbl!!! 23:09:20 dmessier has joined #emc 23:09:26 :D 23:09:40 les_w: please send me your exact address in email adi_benedetto@libero.it 23:09:55 yeah 23:10:08 les_w: please, send the adress :-) 23:12:22 skunkworks has joined #emc 23:13:56 Jacky^, try Lisp ;) 23:14:12 SWPadnos: good too :) 23:14:30 I didn't say it was good :) 23:14:34 just OO 23:14:44 as much as Ruby ? 23:14:58 in Ruby all* is an object 23:15:02 LISP is not OO in the modern sense 23:16:28 I just tried to test 3 lines of Ruby code .. 23:16:38 im entusiast :) 23:17:01 LISP makes no sense, so that fits 23:17:13 equivalent C are 77 lines .. 23:17:26 to do xactly the same thing 23:17:27 hello all... any one know of a command line pdf to tiff converter?? 23:17:37 imagemagick 23:17:52 I think it uses ghostscript to render the pdf pages 23:18:06 command line example available??? 23:18:24 pdf2ps | pstopnm | pnmtotiff 23:19:11 or convert pdffile[pagenumber] file.tiff 23:19:24 SWPadnos: makes no sense? 23:19:24 and these are part of imagemagick?? 23:19:36 convert is the imagemagick command-line tool 23:19:42 ah 23:19:44 LISP 23:19:54 pdf2ps is part of ghostscript 23:20:01 the rest are part of netpbm 23:20:23 and these are apt gettable?? 23:20:26 ok. can it do single pages? (that's what the brackets are for witn imagemagick) 23:20:29 no idea 23:20:30 with 23:21:17 yes - apt-get should work with both imagemagick and ghostscript (and the pbmtools, but I'm not sure if that's the package name) 23:21:20 back 23:21:26 I've looked at ruby. 23:21:28 netpbm 23:21:28 I don't mind it. 23:21:42 I jsut don't like the fact that it's not wide spread enough to be useful for me as a developer. 23:21:43 A-L-P-H-A: dont you like it ? 23:22:10 oh .. ok :) 23:22:10 if my client already has hosting, I'm pretty sure the hosting provider will have php... but it probably won't have ruby. 23:22:15 [mine does] 23:22:18 www.textdrive.com 23:22:44 yeah.. meadiwiky is the most popoular wiky, but not the better :P 23:23:03 think at moin for example .. 23:23:04 hp rocks! 23:23:07 heheh 23:23:12 :D 23:23:26 HP = Hewett Packard... or however you spell it. 23:23:36 most popoular doesnt mean the better 23:23:41 dead ipod, 6 months old... serial number isn't in the system. But HP will replace it for me! 23:23:44 SWEET! 23:23:49 :-) 23:23:55 Apple, eat shit and die... as apple has a 90 day warrantee. 23:23:58 slick 23:24:27 it's silly to talk about what the "best" language is 23:24:41 90 seconds or 90 feet whichever comes first 23:24:47 I agreed that Ruby is young and it have not too much libs as Python yet 23:25:11 but its just a wonderful Language for me :) 23:25:16 python, perl, php, ruby... they all do the same shit... 23:25:19 just genial 23:25:34 just that php is usually the most easily preinstalled script for webhosting. 23:25:45 A-L-P-H-A: no. not the same thing 23:26:04 why you need to add a ; at the end of line ? 23:26:08 Jacky^, I use the language to make money... if I can't make money with it, I can't be bothered with it. 23:26:21 A-L-P-H-A: you talk like web hosting is the only application - I don't think Jacky^ asked about web hosting 23:26:22 if you forget it an intelligent Language should do it for you :) 23:26:36 it depend on how much intelligent is .. 23:26:38 Jacky^, I'm used to adding ; at the end of lines... good form, and I've been programming for years in C, C++, so they require it as well. 23:26:53 thats ok :) 23:27:15 cradek... I only need to develope webapps... if I didn't... I'd just RAD with delphi. Nice, simple, easy, fast enough language. 23:27:25 I accept your piont of view 23:27:36 point 23:27:42 np. 23:27:47 :) 23:27:56 I really really like ruby. just that I can't use it to make money... 23:28:05 it depends more on whether the intelligence does what you actually wanted to do 23:28:12 even though you forgot 23:28:27 I think Ruby woulde most popoular 23:28:33 to become really great 23:28:46 but I think it is in the right direction 23:28:50 skunkworks has quit 23:29:07 Jacky^, ruby on rails? or Ruby? 23:29:16 I'm talking Ruby on Rails. 23:29:16 of course, im talking as a Ruby fan 23:29:38 whats the difference ? 23:29:42 sorry .. 23:30:24 ruby is the language... ruby on rails it the extension package that makes ruby. 23:30:36 just php is the language, and cake does the same thing as ROR. 23:30:49 'cake' is another package addon, that makes PHP does what ROR does. 23:30:57 uhm 23:31:03 'cake' is still premodial. 23:31:15 I just dont like PHP for a lot of reason 23:31:25 in first, is bad sintax 23:31:31 his 23:31:52 Jacky^, you programmed any other languages before ruby? 23:32:14 yeah, just played with Delpi for windows 23:32:15 I'm not saying it's great... I'm just saying I understand php... as it's supposed to not be a leap for old programmers. 23:32:32 oh.. understood 23:33:05 well, the world of developers is not static 23:33:09 if one was to start a new language, from strach, not caring about old programmers... then they'd do it like ruby. repeat 5 [do whatever] 23:33:32 yeah .. 23:33:53 no, but your largest adoption base is programmers... new people aren't going to touch what's new... as they'd never get any help from more experienced users. 23:34:01 first time I used Debian it tooke 1 week just to figure out my sound card :(°° 23:34:13 now, it have no secrets for me 23:34:24 thats the progress 23:34:35 I still haven't figured out my 3head monitor setup for ubuntu... I got 3 monitors working, but I can't set up my 3d drivers. 23:34:56 I can't live without multiple monitiors now. 23:35:25 dou you spend many time in compilations ? 23:36:18 I just used dual head for 2 mouths 23:36:33 mouths? 23:36:38 boxes? 23:36:40 mounths 23:36:45 months? 23:36:53 :( 23:36:57 :) np 23:37:02 I love it. 23:37:03 4 weeks 23:37:05 hahaha 23:37:07 :) 23:37:07 you win A 23:37:27 one monitor is IM chat clients... the other is the editor window, and the third is the result / reference page. 23:37:37 ouch 23:37:48 alex_joni_ has joined #emc 23:37:49 slick 23:37:56 Now... once you figure out that you can play a movie on another window, your productivity goes to the toilet. 23:38:09 your PC station should look like houston nasa station :P 23:38:24 I just use virtual desktop on 19 " LCD monitor 23:38:30 are nough for me :) 23:38:44 jtr_ is now known as jtr 23:39:07 you say that... until you've tried multiple monitors... 23:39:10 I couldn't go back. 23:39:10 A-L-P-H-A: nice 23:39:44 no.. I really dont think Ill never try them 23:39:55 too hard for me 23:40:06 I suffer with head moviments 23:40:31 Id like to find a wayto talk to pc 23:40:48 vocal commands 23:41:05 dragon naturally speaking works well. 23:41:08 use via voice 23:41:14 but I think he's onlinux. 23:41:19 so I don't know what's out there for linux. 23:41:19 I tried something 23:41:44 jacky: if you run linux, try to get a old redhat cdrom, there was a really good working free viavoice edition includet. right now its pay only i think. 23:42:23 uhm.. no 23:42:32 Im in love with Debian 23:42:48 jacky: doesnt matte r:) 23:42:59 :D 23:43:08 in that case its ok :) 23:43:14 jacky: i too dont own this cdromset anymore, i bought it 4 or 5 years ago ;) 23:43:20 heh 23:43:25 was IBM ? 23:43:30 * anonimasu is starting to hate debian more and more 23:43:31 viavoice ? 23:43:44 jacky: yes 23:43:58 already tried then .. 23:44:04 jacky: for a short time they had nice tools out there for linux. there marketing has changed 23:44:06 not so perfect 23:44:20 yeah, I know 23:44:44 anonimasu: how so? 23:45:11 jacky: it was the best then. and i think ibm really much money on speech recognition, alltough i know there is only a small part in the consumer products. 23:45:32 anonimasu: please, do not say it sayd screen not found ! 23:46:25 alex_joni: apt is the name of what makes it suck.. 23:46:27 I meant the x server .. 23:46:27 cncuser: yes, I agreed, propably the best and the latest :( 23:46:38 anonimasu: how so? 23:47:01 try satisfying a dependency manually ;) 23:47:10 and install a package with some program that depends on it.. 23:47:23 thats not hard at all 23:47:30 try the hell of RH 23:47:44 may only suse can be better 23:47:50 not sure .. 23:48:00 rh bites for that 23:48:02 if you do force it there it'll bring you hell ;) 23:48:14 anonimasu: Linux is developed in a bazaae style 23:48:18 bazaar 23:48:26 thats is normal 23:48:34 Jacky^: you are way off. 23:48:37 you can get the soruce too 23:48:47 and compile all from yourself 23:48:58 sorry I need to go, gf is calling. 23:48:59 gentoo for example is cool 23:49:01 hehe, distroposing :) 23:49:02 anonimasu: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html 23:49:13 but hom much time it take for anything ? 23:49:35 puppy is the fastest ;) 23:49:35 slackware is cool too 23:49:37 alex_joni: also lots of stuff if _broken_ 23:49:44 :) 23:49:47 puppy its nicee hehehe 23:49:47 well another day.. 23:50:10 alex_joni: that dosent really help me with anything.. 23:50:14 right some days ago I was writing in a forum 23:50:16 debian is available on many many many plattforms 23:50:27 asking why, Debian site has never changed his look 23:50:32 well night 23:50:44 when you change something ? when it work bad .. right ? 23:50:46 suse cones with the best preconfigured kde desktop 23:50:54 well :) 23:50:55 anonimasu: G night 23:50:58 night 23:51:11 theres the perfect distro for everything and everyone :) 23:51:20 yes 23:51:22 K4ts_ has quit 23:52:30 cncuser: im tryng to say to a lots of peoples theyre doing the right thing using windows 23:52:52 searching for the icons disapperead from desktop 23:53:10 and fighting to resize windows with the mouse :( 23:53:17 im loosing .. 23:53:51 hehe 23:53:55 :P 23:54:05 * Jacky^ follow k4ts to the bed 23:54:09 night 23:54:36 Jacky^ has quit 23:54:39 night 23:54:41 late 23:58:37 ajoni has joined #emc 23:58:45 got time for a cvs/sf question? 23:59:00 alex_joni_ has quit 23:59:09 ajoni is now known as alex_joni_ 23:59:22 jtr: shoot