00:01:49 still trying to find a mug^H^H^Hbuyer for this CNC punch 00:02:02 plenty of laser interest though 00:02:39 robin_sz lots of wanna be Dr. Evils running around who want sharks with fricking laser beams attached to their heads 00:03:06 yeah, but nothtat manysharks have 3 phase 00:03:44 but smoke machines are what the people want. 00:03:55 hmm 00:04:09 they should just get more friends that party plenty of smoke then 00:04:11 if you were in the UK, Id sell you some :) 00:06:48 yeahh ha! .. my mate put the punch on ebay 00:06:56 someoen has bid on it!! 00:07:01 this is great!! 00:07:19 working, its worth 1000 00:07:30 dead its worth nothing 00:07:46 and .. this idiot is going to pay us to have the fun of removing it!! awesome!! 00:08:46 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40003&item=3879168726&rd=1 00:09:43 I *lurv* ebay 00:10:04 you'll make more on removal than the selling price too! lol 00:10:17 eScam 00:10:28 well, removal we guessed at minimum 500 GBP 00:10:43 including disassembly? 00:10:45 we wont charge ema penny for removal ... 00:10:51 thats their problem 00:11:04 Hey $50/hr 00:11:21 it weighs at least 7 or 8 tonnes 00:11:38 http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/03/8e/13/4b_1_b.JPG 00:11:40 ok $1 per pound 00:11:42 see that? 00:11:55 thats a 1 gallon thinners can for scale 00:12:09 solid cast iron :) 00:13:32 2nd posting of found wallet. No real response to it. I've done my good deed. 00:13:39 its mine! 00:13:46 does it have money in it? 00:13:48 rob_melb: descbrie it and contents 00:14:00 robin_sz : describe it and contents 00:14:13 robin_sz: I dun know, does it? 00:14:14 wallaet with money. then money is paper and .. umm 00:14:20 green? 00:14:42 just send the money, you can keep the wallet 00:15:02 I'm in the UK, I must have dropped it out of the window of the plane. 00:15:16 * robin_sz settles back and waits for the money 00:15:56 robin_sz: Ok, it's on it's way. COD $28 00:16:21 ruh roh 00:16:34 robin_sz: Did you get it yet? 00:16:57 if it by chance has a nekkid picture of its owners GF, you could post it on the net to help people identify the owner 00:17:49 lol "Identify this person by presenting this person as seen here [nude photo] to claim faound wallet. 00:18:00 seems fair. 00:18:13 could be a scarry thing too 00:18:31 "well, yeah ... sure .. she looks a bit like the girl in the photo .." 00:18:42 "but I;d have ot see her naked to be sure .." 00:18:47 could be a trannie! 00:18:53 eek! 00:19:04 less the dredlocks, the white skin, the penis, etc 00:19:27 there's some awfully scary stuff running around out there 00:19:39 oh yeah, this is the SF Bay Area, we got those all over the place here. 00:19:49 people so warped they make pretzels look straight! 00:20:13 oh when you get into TG's it gets REAL confusing. 00:20:24 TG's? 00:20:31 TransGender's 00:20:35 TS/TV/TG 00:21:13 yeah demand birth certificate at the bar 00:21:23 hey it says here that you were born a ... 00:21:32 Was putting up a dating thing once, figured I'd be open minded about it and allow for TG, but dang the programming got bad and I said forget it. 00:22:22 Jymmm I never knew you were so progressive in your lifestyle! 00:22:37 Man, Woman, Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, M2F4M, M2F4F, F2M4M, M2M4F 00:24:01 pfred1: I have tolerance for diversity, just not stupidity. 00:25:07 I have toelerance for diversity, but only if both chicks are hot! 00:25:09 Jymmm lots mistake ignorance for stupidity and that's their own idiocy but me I'd rather not know 00:25:48 ignorance is fine 00:25:53 I have tolerance for diversity long as they're blondes brunettes or redheads 00:26:13 ignorance is no excuse ... 00:26:20 thankfully its cureable 00:26:22 eh 00:26:29 with google image search :) 00:27:03 ppl are dumasses becasue they choose to be. 00:27:16 yup 00:27:18 we did a project once to classify girls names 00:27:20 They know better and just dont care. 00:27:25 some names are plain and dull 00:27:30 some are hot 00:27:32 lisa = slut 00:27:39 we used a simple classifier 00:27:45 oh, not that kind of classicifctation 00:27:54 you type the name into google image search 00:28:04 and count the amount of nudity on the first page 00:28:14 obscene gets two points 00:28:20 nude gets 1 point ..] 00:28:44 does nude pencil sketchs count? 00:29:19 yeah .. 1 Ids say .. 1 for bikinis etc too 00:29:30 what's bizarre rate? 00:29:43 christ knows .. 3? 00:29:54 Leah == 1 pt 00:30:19 lisa was 4 00:30:29 monica? 00:32:49 about 5 00:35:35 http://images.google.com/images?q=miss+whiplash&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search 00:35:37 http://members.aol.com/classiquefemme/s_m_g_6.jpg 00:36:51 buffy the vampire shagger? 00:36:52 paul_c is that Buffy? 00:36:57 frightening. 00:37:15 actually if it is sarah michelle geller she's OK 00:37:28 I think google must have cleaned up ... I remeber soem girls names scored 20+ when we did this a while ago 00:37:43 yeah google is going down the tubes 00:38:20 hah 00:39:58 man some stuff on the Internet is just too strange 00:42:37 damnyoyRobin.... http://www.latexlounge.com/Fantasy/Images/Nun.jpg 00:46:27 sure why not? 01:03:13 picnet has joined #emc 01:05:46 you should see the anime stuff... Now, that gets REAL weird 01:06:54 yeah I've seen oh what's it called? 01:06:57 there's a name for it 01:07:27 hentai 01:08:06 Um, when you replace a mill, bit, whatever, how do you typically recalirbate the zro fo the z axis? 01:08:58 I havne't seen any plans/designs that have a switch/sensor for that. 01:09:10 Jymmm: I use a feeler gauge between the tool and workpiece 01:09:50 or, if setting a bunch of toolholders the same, I loosen the setscrew and drive the axis down until the work pushes the tool up. 01:09:58 oh, so no automated way then? 01:10:37 I can't picture any automated way it could be done... 01:10:48 optical? 01:10:51 only if the mill was told about each tool. 01:11:00 robot arm with a feeler gauge in it cmon! 01:11:05 haha 01:11:14 you can't picture that? 01:11:23 kinky 01:11:36 pfred1: your imagination is better than mine. 01:11:46 robin_sz has quit 01:12:18 Jymmm: I set 0 to be one chosen point on the top of the workpiece. If you have a machine 0 and use offsets, you could probably do something smarter. 01:13:47 Yeah, I just can't think of a sensor that would work for various tools. 01:14:04 hmm I wonder why no one builds stuff out of fiberglass? 01:14:16 itchy scratchy 01:14:59 nah not marine fiberglass 01:15:34 expensive 01:15:37 circuit boards are fiberglass and lots of people mill them 01:15:45 heck I have to remember it for making CNC machine parts with 01:16:08 isn't the resin expensive and in two parts? 01:16:22 heck you can get gallon and hardener for $12 01:16:28 gallon goes long ways 01:16:36 home depot 01:16:45 wouldn't know, dont do firebglass =) 01:16:49 the mat and weave is pricier than i like it to be 01:17:00 man if you ever did it's miracle stuff 01:17:25 I've made fiberglass believers out of some people 01:17:28 but gawd aweful to sand down afterwords.... gets EVERYWHERE 01:18:05 for rough sanding I use disc on angle grinder rips it up 01:18:15 then fine i use a pneumatic DA 01:18:24 A-L-P-H-A has quit 01:19:02 what kind of structrual strength does it have? 01:19:17 they make boats out of the stuff 01:19:23 like wall paneling or more like sheet metal? 01:19:25 boats take a pounding 01:19:36 but they have a frame to them as well. 01:19:58 not commercial ones 01:20:03 they're molded 01:20:18 how thick is the fiberglass wall though? 01:20:32 depends 01:20:35 apx 01:20:47 .250 or 4" ? 01:20:50 anywhere from 1/4 inch to an inch and a half 01:21:26 glass is magic though and all you need to work with it is a brush and scissors 01:21:29 I wouldn't mind making a 12" x 12" x 36" box out of it 01:21:43 it it just wouldn't collapse 01:21:51 if 01:22:11 thing to do is to find the glass itself at a reasonable price like by the roll 01:22:14 Numerous cars are made from fiberglass 01:22:15 the resin is cheap 01:22:25 yes but cars made out of glass do have frames 01:22:31 Not all 01:22:40 and they don't take a pounding like a boat does 01:22:57 look at fiberglass antennas 01:23:00 how strong they are 01:23:08 different loadings, but some points are under high loads 01:23:10 eh 01:23:42 * Jymmm has seen far too many SNAPPED fiberglass antennas 01:23:44 I been in cars and boats boats impress me more for the terrain they traverse 01:23:58 yeah but what'd it take to snap it? 01:24:09 not very much actually 01:24:34 I've beat frogs out of palm trees with them 01:24:36 plus they're too flexiable 01:24:42 I guess the ones I got better 01:24:47 Gonna have to leave you guys... 01:25:01 paul_c has left #emc 01:25:05 hasta paul_c have a good flight 01:25:09 nothing like a frog in a tree to keep you up all nite 01:25:15 lol 01:25:21 reep rop! 01:25:41 water house seems easier 01:25:45 hose 01:26:07 yeah I think that'd attract more frogs 01:26:17 hey look here's a tree with running water! 01:26:29 like at the carnival exploding balloons with a squirt gun. 01:26:40 eventually we resorted to bottle rocketting the tree 01:26:50 awwwwwwwwwwww 01:26:58 hey man you gotta sleep ya know? 01:27:23 run em off, but dont hurt the lil guys 01:27:38 man in frog season I guess you'd be housebound 01:27:52 can't avoid running them over going anyplace 01:28:15 it prety much rains frogs 01:28:24 Nah, just not into animal cruelty. If your hunting so be it, make it quick and as painless as possible. 01:28:28 I never swerve to avoid snakes either 01:28:45 they like running hoses over in the road 01:28:51 bump bump 01:29:39 I've seen snakes that take up the whole lane! 01:30:22 heck for all I know they like getting run over maybe it's like a massage ot them? 01:30:41 I was able to slow down quick enough, but coulda hit a 6mo old brown bear cub that was on the road. I just laid on my horn long enough so he get well off the road so another car didn't hit him. 01:30:56 yeah in Maine we almost creamed a family of black bears 01:31:19 browm bears I never seen 01:31:26 I hear they're pretty bad! 01:31:28 So Cal 01:31:44 Nah, there mellow enough. 01:31:49 they're 01:32:24 yeah I'm thinking when I redo my gantry I may go with fiberglass though just to be different 01:33:07 pfred1: with resin or premade pieces milled down? 01:33:22 resin 01:33:34 lay it up custom shape 01:33:45 do it like over a foam core form 01:34:07 figure it has to be better than MDF 01:34:23 be light and strong 01:36:10 the robot arm discussion lead me to this page where he's talking about materials but he fails to mention fiberglass which got me to thinking 01:41:14 rayh has quit 01:49:00 A-L-P-H-A has joined #emc 01:57:51 joe2000chevy has joined #emc 01:58:03 hello 01:58:43 ok guess i found an old 1.4 gig HDD will it work for BDI-EMC? 02:02:32 joe2000chevy you can do better than that 02:03:39 :( no not right now 02:04:06 its a second drive in my system (Old Old Laptop hdd) 02:04:29 joe2000chevy check out this classic I picked up at the dumps http://68.84.51.85:10000/new/Multimedia/PicsITook/JunkPCs/500/allpix4.php 02:04:53 damnit... LOL 02:05:07 the front end loader had already pushed it around some 02:05:09 this is my third machine i'm using 02:05:13 that's the scars in it 02:05:36 but work tho 02:05:47 the system? 02:05:55 1.4 gig big enought to run emc? 02:06:00 yea ur system 02:06:11 oh i donno I haven't installed it in a while sounds smallish to me 02:06:27 I think new EMC based on RH 7.2 02:06:44 well the new BDI 02:07:03 well its a cd run also so should be big enought 02:07:16 how much RAM? 02:07:18 no.. 02:07:23 new bdi based on debian 02:07:28 bdi-4 is anyway 02:07:39 eww say it isn't so! 02:07:39 debian sucks! 02:07:54 and rh7.2 is so much better? it's ancient 02:07:59 hate their package management system hate their politics 02:08:04 no BDI is delbial 02:08:04 delbian 02:08:08 debian 02:08:14 at least spell it correctly ;) 02:08:18 lol 02:08:19 gawd guess I'll go with the rtai deal then 02:08:37 debian is the freaking worst linux distro 02:08:45 umm I LIKE debian. 02:08:55 yeah no one said you were normal 02:09:01 we can agree to disagree about this however. 02:09:06 nevyn and that's comparing it to? 02:09:43 nevyn like what other linux distributions have you used? 02:09:57 rh 5 7.2 8 02:10:06 did some admin on a suse box once 02:10:16 installed mandrake for a few friends 02:10:31 tell me about this suse admin 02:10:36 and fedora core 1,2 havn't played with 3 02:10:48 what version of suse? 02:10:53 old one. 02:10:57 and what was the adminning you did? 02:10:59 probably 6 02:11:12 umm something to do with apache. it was a while ago 02:11:14 ah yes before my time with the distro not before my time with Linux though 02:11:31 and I've deployed hundreds of debian systems 02:11:39 potato -> woody and sid 02:11:50 I've seen people do things wrong for 30 years what's your point? 02:12:39 I donno I've run debian since before the movie came out and even the last time I tried it about a year ago it's still pretty horrible 02:12:45 pfred1: look debian is nice and clean where redhat 7.2 has poor package tools (yum doesn't exist and is really memory intensive) up2date 02:13:06 is no longer availible from redhat and you have to pay etc 02:13:15 oh i wouldn't run 7.2 as a daily driver system 02:13:53 but I'd take it over any debian I've ever seen 02:14:11 I think the current bdi requires something like 4gb? 02:14:20 yeah debian is a mess 02:14:22 before the movie came out? 02:14:33 nevyn Toy Story 02:14:38 pfred1: there's a lot in that bdi install 02:14:38 ah 02:14:58 before the movie they couldn't very well name their releases after characters in it you know? 02:15:09 debian is probably the most popular distribution in melbourne's linux community 02:15:50 I been runing Linux 24/7 since 1995 and even I can't make heads or tails of Debian 02:16:02 it's different to traditional unix 02:16:10 there's a debian way of doing things. 02:16:20 so I can't imagine how a person new to Linux would look at it 02:16:26 this has advantages and disadvantages. 02:16:30 yeah it's called obscure 02:16:48 oh and politically correct 02:17:16 the advantage is I can walk to any debian system and know the basics of how it hangs together without spending 4 hrs working out the maze of twisty scripts the previous admin wrote for 4 hrs 02:17:26 I donno debian it's one of those htings like communism it sounds good on paper but fails in actual practice 02:17:45 the disadvantage is there's a learning curve on it ;) 02:18:17 the real disadvantage is after you've invested in learning you still just have Debian :) 02:18:42 well we can disagree about that being an advantage or disadvantage. 02:18:53 man debian is such low quality 02:18:56 ? 02:19:25 the last time i tried it the stable branch the damned sound drivers the way they had it all packaged up it couldn't have worked! 02:19:30 the thing is debian is debian. whether it's on a embedded 386 or on a E10k it works just the same. 02:19:32 and it didn't 02:19:37 source drivers? 02:19:42 sound 02:19:46 sound drivers? 02:19:56 you know the code in your PC to make the sound card work? 02:20:06 pfred1: stable is a myth ;) 02:20:12 nobody uses stable for a desktop system 02:20:33 yeah seems like in Debian stable branch means the abandoned unmaintained branch 02:20:41 no it's maintained. 02:20:45 and security patched 02:20:47 yeah well 02:21:03 it just doesn't get any new releases of software. 02:21:19 yup and the stuff that's packaged up with it doesn't work with each other 02:21:28 umm yes they do. 02:21:36 look 02:21:39 that's in fact the point of stable. 02:21:47 that you can do 02:21:57 apt-get install apache php3 02:22:02 I did extensive research into the problem I ran into and the versions that debian was shipping simply could not have worked together 02:22:03 and start writing apache scripts. 02:22:07 bleh php 02:22:15 and start writing php scripts. 02:22:43 I basically got to the bottom of what was going on 02:22:45 mmm 02:23:08 and concluded if that was the first thing I had to deal with better to bale than find the next monstrosity 02:23:22 spend an hour everytime i want something to work no thanks! 02:23:27 what was the problem out of interest? 02:23:43 the alsa drivers on the stable didn't work with the module loader 02:24:03 there was no way in hell the module loader could have loaded the drivers 02:24:06 the alsa drivers didn't work with the module loader? 02:24:10 wtf? 02:24:21 the module loader was too old 02:24:29 I have never ever seen such a situation with stable. hell I havn't seen such a situation with unstable 02:24:49 yeah well I guess some of us are more demanding than others 02:25:00 pfred1: so you installed kernel-image-blah and alsa-modules-blah and you couldn't modprobe snd_blah ? 02:25:16 when something's put together so slipshod as Debian is I swerve to avoid 02:25:30 did you use a shipped kernel or build your own? 02:25:36 nevyn this was like 2 years ago but yeah I basically remember it couldn't load the modules 02:25:56 I used all debian packages 02:26:15 and spent at least 2 hours in the #debian channel on this network with it all 02:26:20 if you built your own kernel then it's possible that stable didn't support the current kernel's module system this is true for woody 02:26:27 and we all finally concluded that it simply could not work 02:26:49 and yes the first thing out of everyone's mouth was use the unstable 02:26:58 I don't run Linux for my system to be unstable 02:27:11 unstable doesn't mean what you think it means 02:27:13 or very well care just how stable unstable actually is 02:27:27 unstable refers to packaging not software. 02:27:34 nevyn how do yo uknow what i think? are yo uthe amazing Kreskin? 02:27:52 yeah well if they can bork up stable I'd rather not know what unstable is 02:28:00 on top of it even if it did all work Debian sucks 02:28:12 how so? 02:28:18 wfm 02:28:21 it's amateurish 02:28:25 ? 02:28:58 Debian is great for someone who has nothing better to do than edit a script everytime they want something to work 02:29:10 me i want ot go to a PC turn it on and it simply works 02:29:30 and yes there are Linux distributions today that do just that 02:29:53 it's called MS-DOS 3.31 02:29:58 and no I don't think Debian will EVER join those ranks 02:29:58 there are. but I find them inflexible and they usually don't have the software I use. 02:30:43 nevyn I have yet to run into a flexibility issue with the distribution I prefer over Debian 02:30:55 which is? 02:30:59 SuSE 02:31:09 ah, never tried it 02:31:11 oh and poorly constructed. 02:31:26 SuSE has the maze of twisty simlinks all alike problem 02:31:31 SuSE is about as poorly constructed as a Mercedes Benz 02:31:46 typicak of them rotten Germans! 02:31:51 Personally, I think X86 needs to be trashed and something new to come along. 02:31:52 typical even 02:32:11 Jymmm: XFree86 needs to go yes 02:32:37 suse is nothing short of unbelievable 02:32:38 yast2 is amazing 02:32:44 Xfree is *SO* old and really hasn't evolved as I believe it should have. 02:33:10 actually I believe suse is spearheading the new X 02:33:15 Jymmm: there has been some movement on that recently with the xorg stuff but it's still flawed. 02:33:39 How can Apple dev a GUI for FBSD, and OS can't ? 02:33:46 OSS 02:33:52 pfred1: interesting take a poll sometime of what distribution X developers use. 02:33:58 Jymmm $ 02:34:22 pfred1: I really don't think that's it. 02:34:32 I know keith packard runs debian on his systems ;) 02:34:40 who? 02:34:47 one of the core X types. 02:34:48 Jymmm shame thoughts are so ethereal 02:35:07 nevyn yeah well I'm not keith packard 02:35:17 and furthermore i don't want to be keith packard 02:35:33 I want ot walk up throw in a CD and go! 02:35:39 no. but suse might be funding it but it's not what the X people use ;) 02:35:45 and so does everyone else! 02:35:49 pfred1: so do I . we just achieve it differently 02:36:02 I have never had the sorts of issues you describe with debian. 02:36:09 then I run sid almost exclusivly 02:36:36 I dont' know enough to run any *nix for a desktop. 02:36:54 man i want to install new software i have a nice gui I simply check off a box hit OK and it's done 02:37:06 none of this foul old CLI nonsense 02:37:14 pfred1: so use synaptic 02:37:16 get an apple 02:37:22 apt_get headaches 02:37:41