00:07:16 <A-L-P-H-A> yummy
00:07:38 <A-L-P-H-A> macoroni + cheese salad, coleslaw, buffalo wings, patatoe wedges.
00:11:26 <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, http://lloydleung.com/gallery/Electronics/LCD_Screen_working/ :) woohoo!
00:12:12 <anonimasu> nice
00:14:45 <A-L-P-H-A> took me a freak'n long time to the the atmel 90s2313 to connect to the LCD.
00:15:23 <Jymmm> 2313?
00:15:31 <A-L-P-H-A> yes
00:15:40 <Jymmm> why not the 2400's ?
00:19:06 <anonimasu> I havent gotten my lcd's to work..
00:19:15 <anonimasu> never had enough time to play with it enough
00:21:39 <Jymmm> robin_sz: "Buffalo Wings" (chicken wings coated in a mildly spice bbq and honey sauce) one of marketing's greatest acheivments
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00:29:54 <anonimasu> night everyone
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02:59:26 <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, sorry, cause the 2313 was what I had already.
03:01:53 <A-L-P-H-A> I love the LM Watts think going on in the bdi install.
03:05:30 <A-L-P-H-A> dah.
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04:29:21 <asdfqwega> Jymmm:  I'm currently using a Synrad 10W rf-coupled CO2 laser mounted on a home-made 3-axis router
04:31:02 <asdfqwega> With 10W and shop air for assist gas, I can cut 1/4" poplar/oak at 8-12 ipm
04:31:22 <asdfqwega> With the Synrad, they use a PWM signal for control
04:32:38 <asdfqwega> I'm working crude, so right now I simply have a protoboard with some logic and 2 555 timers and opamps to sample the 555's charging waveform
04:33:52 <asdfqwega> One I set to the 1% PWM for standby, and the other I have on a turnpot for selectable power level
04:35:12 <asdfqwega> With EMC, there's ability for motion-synced digital I/O, which I use to 'fire' the laser
04:36:40 <asdfqwega> My current limitation is that I'm using a stepper driven router, which only gives me 22 ipm max
04:39:41 <asdfqwega> If I had a flying optics table, I could more easily finnesse other things with only 10W, such as cutting butile rubber
04:41:37 <asdfqwega> Need about 60-80 ipm for that - faster cut = shallower cut / less charring / easier ash removal / more passes
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04:49:07 <asdfqwega> And FYI - cauterization produced by laser burns doesn't hurt at first, BUT
04:50:19 <asdfqwega> the ablated flesh get blasted deep into the surrounding tissue, which will REALLY hurt later
04:50:56 <asdfqwega> Google Sam's Laser FAQ
05:04:43 <asdfqwega> An example of something I did on veneer with low power:
05:04:46 <asdfqwega> http://www.bright.net/~janfritz/Laser/gallery/ncf-plaque.jpg
05:16:28 <Jymmm> asdfqwega: Cool. "Flying optics" ?
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10:16:52 <robin_sz> meep
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13:29:10 <alex_joni> greetings
13:31:13 <alex_joni> http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/8572800.swf
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14:39:12 <les> anyone home?
14:42:35 <paul_c> Hi Les
14:50:24 <les> hi paul
14:50:38 <les> still on this side of the pond?
14:51:46 <les> I'm just relaxing, watching westerns, and cooking up a bunch of corned beef/cabbage
14:52:39 <les> emc is sure coming through for me....grossed over $3000 this week running the machine
14:53:18 <les> Have a minor problem on homing in the z axis sometimes
14:53:39 <les> as if home switch opening is premature
14:53:47 <les> noise on the line prob
14:53:52 <les> or a bad switch
14:54:36 <les> I have found I have to "exercise" the home and limit switches sometimes to clean the contacts
14:55:42 <les> well back to the kitchen for me
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16:37:50 <danfalck> hello guys
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16:48:05 <paul_c> Afternoon all.
16:48:54 <dave-e> dave hides
16:49:38 <paul_c> that lets me off the hook then ;)
16:49:44 <dave-e> maybe
16:50:11 <dave-e> so what is this about a sensoray driver?
16:51:01 <paul_c> Have one of their cards now...
16:51:08 <dave-e> good
16:51:23 <dave-e> did you have to buy the one with the adc's?
16:51:39 <A-L-P-H-A> what's the command to untar a tar.gz file?  tar xfgv <filename>?
16:52:03 <paul_c> Can only get a DACless card to special order and in bulk
16:52:04 <dave-e> xzvf
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16:52:22 <dave-e> yes..I know been looking at them for quite a while
16:52:33 <dave-e> afterall...they are almost local
16:52:34 <A-L-P-H-A> dave-e, thanks
16:53:16 <dave-e> yeh...the 25 quantity is a bummer
16:53:17 <paul_c> A-L-P-H-A: man tar - Gives info about all the other options.
16:56:26 <dave-e> paul..which card do you have?
16:58:12 <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c, yeah... I did a tar --help... and thought I remembered it.  [quicker to just ask sometimes]
16:59:23 <paul_c> 526
17:00:09 <dave-e> should be a good one
17:02:31 <dave-e> I'll be interested to see how it goes
17:03:46 <dave-e> opps...gotta run...catch everyone later
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17:03:58 <danfalck> hi paul
17:06:26 <paul_c> Hi Dan
17:07:08 <danfalck> got your postcard
17:08:12 <paul_c> Got home & still can't get that MoDo to work...
17:08:45 <danfalck> was it working at Wierdstuff?
17:09:23 <paul_c> So they say - Wouldn't let me round back to see...
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17:21:59 <alan-001_> is this channel dead
17:22:09 <paul_c> No
17:22:15 <alan-001_> good
17:22:49 <alan-001_> is anyone using emc with a wire foam cutter
17:23:55 <paul_c> don't know for sure - But you'd probably find one of the Germans are...
17:24:29 <alan-001_> do you have much experience with the program
17:24:52 <paul_c> a little
17:25:18 <alan-001_> what do you use to produce .nc files
17:25:52 <paul_c> by hand for small ones...
17:26:23 <alan-001_> have you tried any linux dxf converters or anything of the sort
17:26:26 <paul_c> The only complex part I did, I used a shell script to produce the g code
17:27:29 <paul_c> I think Dan has tried hp2xx
17:28:04 <danfalck> yes
17:28:24 <danfalck> hp2xx works
17:28:52 <alan-001_> do is go straight to gcode or do you  need a ps converter
17:29:14 <alan-001_> "does it"
17:29:25 <danfalck> what are you starting with? DXF?
17:29:36 <alan-001_> preferable
17:29:45 <alan-001_> yes
17:30:00 <danfalck> let me look at the man file for hp2xx again...
17:30:18 <alan-001_> im looking at the website now, it outputs eps, pcx, img
17:30:34 <alan-001_> i guess you need another program for the gcode
17:32:22 <danfalck> you can output g code
17:32:49 <alan-001_> nice
17:32:53 <alan-001_> thanks for looking
17:33:17 <danfalck> I did some conversions from a *.BMP to autotrace -> hpgl through to g-code
17:33:31 <danfalck> used autotrace to convert to vector output
17:33:39 <alan-001_> yeah autotrance is nice
17:33:42 <alan-001_> trace
17:33:48 <danfalck> autotrace -> hp2xx
17:34:09 <danfalck> you can use Sagcad to go directly from DXF to g-code
17:34:22 <danfalck> it's listed on the links page on linuxcnc.org
17:35:20 <alan-001_> thanks
17:35:21 <danfalck> I probably missed how to go directly from DXF to hp2xx
17:36:02 <danfalck> I also found a small program called "cam.py", writte at MIT that will do DXF to g-code
17:36:30 <danfalck> but I'm having problems making the g-code simple and logical
17:36:43 <danfalck> it seems like it makes things way too complicated
17:37:20 <alan-001_> yeah
17:37:29 <alan-001_> i cant get any programs installed on the livecd installation
17:37:32 <alan-001_> so no python
17:37:37 <alan-001_> no internet
17:37:56 <alan-001_> and i cant get rtai working on my gentoo setup
17:37:57 <alan-001_> so...
17:38:10 <alan-001_> slowly fixing things
17:41:35 <danfalck> I need to go. The weather's very nice here today. Just like last Sunday.
17:41:56 <alan-001_> thanks for the help
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17:49:45 <ottos> Good Day gents...
17:51:16 <paul_c> Afternoon
17:52:12 <ottos> Hi Paul got a question for you...kinda dumb but when getting the CVS fikels, and when getting ready to compile, is plat directory to be creaetd in /emc?
17:53:12 <paul_c> plat/ is created at compile time
17:53:51 <ottos> how fresh are the files in 4.18 ?
17:54:27 <paul_c> a couple of weeks
17:55:25 <ottos> do you know if the lastest of Vital board code (homing ) is in or not?
17:55:53 <paul_c> no it isn't.
17:56:19 <Imperator_> Hi Paul, how was your holiday ?
17:57:01 <ottos> :( ...could you give me soem pointers on recompiling..?link ..?running an old tng box..
17:57:47 <paul_c> Imperator_: Apart from a couple of days when it rained...
17:58:05 <paul_c> ottos: Checkout cvs for rcslib & emc
17:58:09 <Imperator_> nice here it is snowing and snowing :-)
17:58:23 <paul_c> cd rcslib/etc ./configure
17:58:36 <paul_c> cd ../src
17:58:54 <paul_c> make PLAT=realtime && make PLAT=nonrealtime
17:59:14 <paul_c> cd to emc/src and repeat the make
17:59:41 <ottos> I was missing the ./compile...thanx a milion..:D
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18:19:42 <ottos> time to play...:D thank you all..later..
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18:53:44 <Imperator_> * Imperator_ hate's NML
18:55:53 <Jymmm> "No More Lactating" ?
19:03:51 <Imperator_> Hmm
19:04:22 <Jymmm> only thing I could think of
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19:05:15 <alex_joni> greetings...
19:05:21 <alex_joni> paul_c: welcome back ;)
19:06:45 <Jymmm> Dumbass question....  They don't mean 1/4-20 threaded rod when they say "acme screw" do they?
19:07:04 <cradek> no
19:07:05 <alex_joni> no ideea ;)
19:07:27 <cradek> Jymmm: the thread profile on plain threaded rod is a 60 degree V
19:07:34 <alex_joni> hello cradek
19:07:45 <cradek> acme screws have a thread profile more like "U"
19:07:49 <cradek> hello
19:07:57 <Jymmm> cradek: Ah, ok.
19:08:41 <Jymmm> cradek: I think watching too many roadrunner cartoons threw me off =)
19:08:51 <cradek> hah
19:09:16 <alex_joni> how are things?
19:09:46 <cradek> they're fine around here
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19:09:55 <alex_joni> nice to hear that...
19:10:01 <alex_joni> * alex_joni has been busy lately...
19:10:08 <cradek> busy is good
19:10:16 <alex_joni> well.. up to a point ;)
19:10:44 <alex_joni> I have to start some robots at a customer
19:10:59 <alex_joni> and they have problems with mounting the parts.. so the weld is tricky
19:11:02 <Imperator_> Hi alex
19:11:09 <Imperator_> how are you ??
19:11:20 <alex_joni> hey Martin
19:11:29 <alex_joni> busy ... (& tired)
19:11:39 <alex_joni> seen some very nice mills lately
19:11:57 <Imperator_> I wake you up !!!
19:12:09 <gezr> Jymmm : hey, I got some acme rod 1/2 10 a few months ago, I went with the inexpensive rolled stuff from msc, its not very good, the more you spend the higher quality you can expect out of good threaded rod
19:12:10 <Imperator_> where ??
19:12:37 <alex_joni> Imperator_: at some customer I'm working right now (http://www.robcon.ro/emc/bigmachines/)
19:13:08 <Jymmm> gezr: rolled rod, as in hollow?
19:13:14 <Jymmm> or cold rolled
19:13:29 <gezr> the thread is formed by mashing it between rolling dies
19:13:49 <Jymmm> gezr: Ah, and it didn't do too well huh?
19:13:50 <gezr> its not hollow
19:13:51 <Imperator_> alex_joni: a lathe
19:14:03 <alex_joni> not only
19:14:20 <Imperator_> big stuff
19:14:24 <alex_joni> about 4 of the big ones ;)
19:14:27 <gezr> Jymmm : its okay, but im talking just okay, it would be great if it wasnt used for motion
19:14:55 <Imperator_> * Imperator_ needs somebody who understands NML
19:14:57 <alex_joni> one has about 20m X-axis, 5m-Y, 5m-Z
19:15:12 <alex_joni> Imperator_: ask away.. I might remember some stuff ;)
19:15:16 <gezr> Jymmm : so if you get some, opt for a higher quality threaded rod, in the acme form
19:15:16 <Imperator_> nice small machine
19:15:31 <Imperator_> I want to add a new command
19:15:44 <Imperator_> or the better word is maybe message ??
19:16:16 <Jymmm> gezr: lol. Well, since this would be my first, I'm debating going cheap initially (threaded rod, draw slides, mdf) to get a feel for everything, then once I do, go for the SS this, and pillow block that...
19:16:56 <gezr> Jymmm :  yeah :), thats what I did. but I paid for it, 
19:17:08 <gezr> Jymmm : just spend a bit more on the rod and nuts
19:17:11 <Jymmm> gezr: how so? too much scrapped material?
19:17:16 <alex_joni> Imperator_: what kind of subsystem?
19:17:41 <gezr> nothing scrapped, just had to spend a lot of time cleaning the threads, and its still not a very fluid turn
19:19:26 <Jymmm> gezr: Ok, makes sense.  My biggest issue is I want large footprint. And not knowing what to enforce here or there just yet. Most plans I've seen so far seem to be lacking in the Z axis.
19:19:38 <Jymmm> design wise
19:20:19 <Jymmm> gezr: but I could be talking out my ass too.
19:20:31 <gezr> yeah, im just mentioning my experience,  youll get out of it exactly what you put in, even in a test case, you dont want to skimp your self too much
19:21:00 <gezr> Jymmm : just go as close to what your going to end up with, so that your more able to predict what will happen
19:21:25 <Jymmm> gezr: I'm just whining about buying 36" now to play/test/ then having to but 60" later on.
19:21:32 <Jymmm> s/but/buy/
19:21:51 <gezr> Jymmm : oh yeah :)
19:22:25 <Jymmm> Unless of course acme rod comes in a Lego (tm) version?!   =)
19:24:28 <gezr> it does, but you have to buy it from lego and its plastic 
19:25:04 <Jymmm> lol
19:31:38 <Jymmm> Is there plans out there that are pretty decent?
19:32:09 <Jymmm> * Jymmm isn't making space shuttle parts or anything =)
19:33:54 <alex_joni> Jymmm: too bad.. those would sell ok ;)
19:34:11 <Jymmm> lol
19:35:33 <Jymmm> Are any slides better than others? I don't know what it's called but the side view of the rail looks like a slice of bread.
19:37:38 <alex_joni> hmmm.. what kind of bread ? :-)
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19:39:47 <Jymmm> like this....
19:39:48 <Jymmm>  _____
19:39:48 <Jymmm> (     )
19:39:48 <Jymmm>  )   (
19:39:48 <Jymmm> |     |
19:39:49 <Jymmm> |     |
19:39:50 <Jymmm> -------
19:40:21 <alex_joni> 4 balls on the sides?
19:40:42 <alex_joni> on the slide?
19:40:57 <Jymmm> That is just the rail. That profile is the whole lengith of the slide.
19:41:05 <alex_joni>   ________
19:41:12 <alex_joni>  o)       (o
19:41:24 <alex_joni>  |          |
19:41:34 <alex_joni> darn.. I suck at ascii art ;)
19:41:49 <Jymmm> It's about 1/2" tall
19:42:30 <alex_joni>   __________
19:42:30 <alex_joni>  o)        (o
19:42:30 <alex_joni>  |          |
19:42:30 <alex_joni>  |          |
19:42:30 <alex_joni>  |          |
19:42:30 <alex_joni>  o)        (o
19:42:32 <alex_joni>    |      |
19:42:34 <alex_joni>    |      |
19:47:50 <Jymmm> Ok, if the edge of the rail looks like this, with mounting holes every 6" or so...
19:47:50 <Jymmm>  _______
19:47:50 <Jymmm> (  | |  )
19:47:50 <Jymmm>  ) | | (
19:47:50 <Jymmm> |  | |  |
19:47:51 <Jymmm> |  | |  |
19:47:52 <Jymmm> ---------
19:48:04 <Jymmm> The bearing looks sorta like this...
19:48:05 <Jymmm>  _____________________
19:48:05 <Jymmm> |     ___________     |
19:48:05 <Jymmm> |    (           )    |
19:48:05 <Jymmm> |_____|         |_____|
19:48:28 <alex_joni> I see
19:48:35 <alex_joni> normal bearings?
19:48:44 <alex_joni> on the sides and on top?
19:49:18 <Jymmm> just the sides iirc, but could be wring.
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20:04:19 <Jymmm> looks like this -->  http://www.qbcbearings.com/RFQ/CoverPg/B615Images/TRKD_Tables.jpg
20:05:12 <Jymmm> though that one is wider and shallower than the one I was attempting to describe.
20:05:13 <alex_joni> looks nice
20:05:34 <alex_joni> * alex_joni leaves for half an hour
20:05:47 <Jymmm> have fun!
20:05:48 <alex_joni> depends on the specs, and what you need
20:06:27 <alex_joni> probably there are a lot of different manufacturer/products looking almost the same
20:06:36 <alex_joni> depends on what forces you need,
20:06:44 <alex_joni> what precision, etc
20:07:21 <Jymmm> Yeah, I just dont know which bearings/slides are intended for which application.... speed, precision, load, etc.
20:07:39 <Jymmm> hort/vert moutning/motion etc.
20:07:50 <alex_joni> for best precision/load there are the ones I tried to describe above
20:08:06 <alex_joni> with 4 lines of balls between the carriage and the slide
20:08:32 <Jymmm> so the rail has four "tracks", one in each corner?
20:09:58 <alex_joni> yes
20:10:18 <alex_joni> but it depends on the app
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20:44:28 <robin_sz> w00t!
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20:49:37 <alex_joni> * alex_joni is back
20:49:41 <alex_joni> hey robin_z
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21:16:48 <robin_z> ooh
21:17:03 <robin_z> bits of me keep falling off!
21:17:40 <alex_joni> lol
21:17:42 <Jymmm> Um... lepracy?
21:17:46 <alex_joni> lost a letter?
21:17:56 <robin_z> leprosy
21:18:33 <robin_z> so, anyting new?
21:19:00 <alex_joni> besides pieces of you?
21:19:09 <robin_z> yes, besides that
21:19:20 <alex_joni> not much ;)
21:19:43 <alex_joni> maybe tomorrow will be more busy
21:19:55 <robin_z> I started sketching up another plasma .. well, You have to dont you :)
21:20:40 <alex_joni> how do you mean that?
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21:22:54 <roel1> hi 
21:24:00 <alex_joni> hello
21:24:59 <Jymmm> Well.... wasn't that an enlightening conversation.
21:25:27 <alex_joni> which one?
21:25:34 <Jymmm> 3:28:00] <roel1> hi 
21:25:34 <Jymmm> [13:29:06] <alex_joni> hello
21:25:40 <roel1> hehe lol
21:25:42 <Jymmm> NO CARRIER
21:25:51 <alex_joni> [23:27] <roel1> hi 
21:25:54 <alex_joni> [23:28] <alex_joni> hello
21:26:11 <alex_joni> roel1: where from?
21:26:23 <roel1> lots of new faces around here 
21:26:28 <roel1> i'm from holland 
21:27:30 <alex_joni> how new? (the new faces you talk about?)
21:27:34 <robin_z> alex_joni: Ijust meant I had a little time on my hands this afternnon, and sure enough, anther plasma cutter start to form on the drawing board :)
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21:27:46 <alex_joni> * alex_joni is about half a year new ;)
21:28:19 <robin_z> hey roel1, not seen you on here for a while
21:28:21 <alex_joni> robin: nice, maybe you can post some designs :P
21:28:22 <roel1> my last connection to this room 7 to 8 months ago 
21:28:29 <robin_z> hows the PCB business ?
21:28:58 <K`zan> * K`zan hates doing PCBs :-).
21:29:12 <K`zan> EVIL necessity :-)
21:29:15 <K`zan> LOL
21:29:32 <roel1> makes them even multi layer 
21:29:39 <robin_z> ooh :)
21:29:40 <roel1> no problem for me
21:29:49 <robin_z> you were doing PTH last time .. 
21:29:57 <robin_z> gone multi layer now eh?
21:29:58 <roel1> thp fully under control on the moment
21:30:06 <robin_z> thats big boys toys :)
21:30:19 <alex_joni> multi = >2 ?
21:30:24 <robin_z> blind vias yet?
21:30:26 <K`zan> Wish I could afford to have them done, perhaps someday....
21:30:31 <roel1> 4 layers i can handle perfect 
21:30:40 <robin_z> wow :)
21:30:45 <robin_z> impressed.
21:31:01 <roel1> but now im waiting for orders :))
21:31:09 <robin_z> heh
21:31:18 <K`zan> roel1: Web site ?
21:31:24 <robin_z> I might have some prototypes coming up
21:31:24 <Jymmm> K`zan: how big?
21:31:27 <roel1> not on the moment 
21:31:45 <K`zan> Jymmm: Ranges from about 1 square inch to 100x150mm
21:32:12 <robin_z> roel1: leave me your email, I might have prototypes in a few weeks
21:32:18 <roel1> 250*200 cm
21:32:29 <K`zan> I do't mind making the boards, it is drilling them that drives me to drink :-0, which of course makes it harder and take longer to drill LOL :-).
21:32:30 <Jymmm> K`zan: I found a place REALLY cheap, but havne't used them yet. They sound very reasonable and cluefull
21:32:54 <alex_joni> K`zan: do it with emc
21:33:00 <K`zan> Jymmm: Sure would be nice, best I have seen, IIRC, was about $2.50US oer sqare inch...
21:33:01 <robin_z> I found one doing 2 euro-cards for 50 GBP
21:33:02 <Jymmm> K`zan: like minimum being $25
21:33:03 <roel1> hehe lol i drill them with me own build graver/driller
21:33:12 <Jymmm> K`zan: let me find it
21:33:49 <Jymmm> K`zan: you need multi layer?
21:33:52 <K`zan> alex_joni: Looking into that, downloaded the BDI iso install last night, but with half a dozen different OS and other partitions, that scares me.
21:34:07 <robin_z> roel1: can you do 'buried' or 'blind' vias on your boards yet? (not that I need them, just curious)
21:34:23 <picnet> picnet has quit
21:34:52 <K`zan> Jymmm: No, most I would need is double sided, I now spend forever revising them in PCB (a *nix tool) getting them to single sided with as few jumpers as possible,
21:35:04 <alex_joni> K`zan: try the Live
21:35:17 <Jymmm> K`zan: 160mm x 100mm == $33 USD
21:35:28 <roel1> buried must go but is a real pain in the ass 
21:35:31 <Jymmm> dbl sided
21:35:33 <K`zan> alex_joni: Will go back and get that today, RH based so that is good :-).
21:35:55 <K`zan> Jymmm: NOT too shabby, where is this place?
21:36:09 <Jymmm> K`zan EU somewhere, but ship to NA
21:36:22 <Jymmm> K`zan: http://www.olimex.com/pcb/index.html
21:36:27 <Jymmm> frames... yuck
21:36:34 <K`zan> Jymmm: if shipping cost aren't like those on ebay, I mightbe able to afford it :-).
21:36:42 <Jymmm> K`zan very reasonable
21:36:53 <Jymmm> $6 USD
21:36:59 <Jymmm> err $9 USD
21:37:05 <K`zan> Jymmm: Checking now... THANKS!!!!!
21:37:17 <roel1> isnt plated he'
21:37:21 <K`zan> Jymmm: Still not bad at all for shipping :-).
21:37:32 <Jymmm> K`zan: np, let me know if you order how it turns out.
21:37:41 <K`zan> Jymmm: Wilco!
21:37:59 <Jymmm> K`zan: and that is there prototype pricing, not their production procing.
21:38:34 <alex_joni> K`zan: Live is not RH based
21:38:35 <K`zan> Jymmm: I hope I can gen the files with PCB, we'll see...
21:38:44 <Jymmm> K`zan lol
21:38:53 <K`zan> alex_joni: Ah, well it was a LATE and fast scan last night :-).
21:39:30 <alex_joni> The older are RH-based (BDI-2.18,2.20, BDI-TNG)
21:39:41 <Jymmm> K`zan: Ah... BULGARIA
21:40:09 <K`zan> Jymmm: Just as long as it isn't france :-) :-) :-) LOL.
21:40:39 <Jymmm> K`zan France bad?
21:40:52 <robin_z> do they make bad PCBs in france?
21:41:00 <K`zan> alex_joni: Do you have a link for the live one, only one I saw last night was RH based.
21:41:08 <Jymmm> or just bad Frenchmen
21:41:31 <K`zan> Jymmm: Dunno, but according to my mother: "The french never forgive a favor" :-), so I just avoid the whole scene.
21:41:44 <Jymmm> Hmmm... they have uC proto kits too
21:42:48 <K`zan> Jymmm: My mother lived in europe for the better part of 20 years, so I trust her judgement in these matters :-).
21:42:54 <Jymmm> pricing isn't too shabby... AVR w/ a 1x16 LCD assembled $34 USD
21:43:03 <Jymmm> K`zan: lol, fair enough
21:43:33 <alex_joni> * alex_joni can only advise you to use Olimex
21:43:49 <alex_joni> I got an JTAG for AVR from them, works great, and very cheap
21:43:58 <K`zan> * K`zan off looking for the live.
21:44:11 <Jymmm> alex_joni: heh, thats where were talking about, but they do PCB's too
21:44:22 <K`zan> alex_joni: define "very cheap", I wouldn't mind having jtag capability.
21:44:24 <robin_z> * robin_z stares at the olimex website
21:44:28 <robin_z> all black ...
21:44:36 <alex_joni> 50$ or so
21:44:49 <alex_joni> robin: not every browser can open it ;)
21:46:19 <alex_joni> lol
21:47:10 <K`zan> robin_z: Works fine with firefox...
21:47:32 <robin_z> * robin_z has netscape 7
21:47:34 <K`zan> alex_joni: es anyone: where is that live CD, I am not seeing anything on it.
21:47:44 <K`zan> robin_z: should get firefox :-).
21:47:51 <K`zan> Or Mozilla...
21:47:56 <robin_z> no
21:48:07 <robin_z> websites should learn to write html
21:48:24 <K`zan> robin_z: masochism is it's own reward :-).
21:48:32 <robin_z> wpnder how many errors they had on that page?
21:48:44 <alex_joni> http://www.olimex.com/pcb/index.html
21:48:45 <K`zan> robin_z: Nice thought, but it ain't gonna happen :-(.
21:48:51 <Jymmm> Netscape® Communicator 4.8 
21:48:51 <Jymmm>                          
21:48:51 <Jymmm>                           Copyright © 1994-2002 Netscape Communications Corporation, All rights reserved. 
21:48:55 <alex_joni> try that
21:49:11 <alex_joni> a LOT ;)
21:49:20 <K`zan> emc live cd
21:49:23 <K`zan> oops ww
21:49:24 <alex_joni> opera crashes too
21:49:41 <Jymmm> on olimex?
21:50:21 <robin_z> ooh, 16 errors
21:50:58 <alex_joni> yup.. just black ;)
21:51:20 <robin_z> K`zan: commercial sites cant afford to not work in various browsers. 
21:51:31 <robin_z> you lose MONEY that way
21:51:35 <K`zan> alex_joni: Is this the one I want?: -rw-r--r--    1 henkka henkka 589342720 Jun 11 10:25 BDI-2.20b.iso
21:51:47 <K`zan> robin_z: Agree, but they do that anyway...
21:52:12 <alex_joni> nope
21:52:20 <K`zan> killing download now...
21:52:29 <alex_joni> that's an RH6 based iirc
21:52:56 <robin_z> well, if they can't get their homepage right (which presumably they care about) perhaps they cant get my PCB right ... dunno.
21:53:49 <K`zan>  BDI-Live_rc46.iso, lets try that one...
21:54:09 <robin_z> that sounds more like it
21:54:18 <Jymmm> K`zan: what pcb you making?  (just being nosey)
21:54:57 <K`zan> alex_joni: Coming down now, bloody slow site...
21:55:29 <K`zan> Jymmm: Various adapter board, several for an anamatronics controller project I am working on, various other things...
21:55:46 <alex_joni> robin: I heard good stuff about them .. ;)
21:55:47 <Jymmm> K`zan: ah, ok.
21:55:50 <alex_joni> dunno
21:56:29 <alex_joni> K`zan: they complained they don't have the bandwith for the mirror
21:56:37 <alex_joni> I'm working on a new mirror ;)
21:56:59 <K`zan> alex_joni: Will be VERY appreciated I am sure!
21:57:02 <robin_z> whats wrong with sourceforge for the mirror?
21:57:36 <K`zan> Jymmm: Some pix of this mess: http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu:8181/~vw/00-4-tp/oldpix
21:58:08 <alex_joni> robin: sourceforge doesn't host ISO's
21:58:28 <robin_z> well, gzip em then ;)
21:58:46 <K`zan> LOL
21:58:48 <robin_z> witch.seastar.org could not be found ...
21:58:56 <roel1> robin_z: this is the last pcb i made http://www.xs4all.nl/~atmel/capt/001.jpg
21:59:08 <alex_joni> they have an issue with big files too
21:59:32 <robin_z> roel1: nice. CNC I/O?
21:59:34 <K`zan> roel1: Nice!
21:59:41 <Jymmm> K`zan: unable to resolve
22:00:11 <Jymmm> seastar.org ?!
22:00:33 <K`zan> Jymmm: used to be :-), just never changed it internally.
22:00:37 <roel1> robin_z: yes it is a i/o 
22:00:53 <Jymmm> K`zan can't resolve either one
22:02:46 <K`zan> Jymmm: Lemme fix your dns for ya ;-)
22:03:09 <Jymmm> K`zan: HA! Not after seeing how your's is maintained!!! 
22:03:09 <K`zan> Jymmm: Some pix of this mess: http://67.182.221.27:8181/~vw/00-4-tp/oldpix
22:03:48 <robin_z> no route to host
22:03:53 <K`zan> LOL, I am not going to pay those people for a fqdn / IP that existed LONG before they started extorting money for it...
22:03:59 <K`zan> wtf...
22:04:22 <K`zan> * K`zan wonders if comcast changed my ip (again) checking...
22:04:35 <roel1> robin: http://www.xs4all.nl/~atmel/capt/box1.bmp and as result http://www.xs4all.nl/~atmel/capt/box2.jpg
22:04:35 <robin_z> you have non-static IP
22:05:18 <K`zan> Oops <BLUSH>:
22:05:23 <robin_z> roel1: ooh, routed too. nice.!!
22:05:27 <roel1> :)
22:05:34 <K`zan> Jymmm: Some pix of this mess: http://67.183.221.27:8181/~vw/00-4-tp/oldpix
22:05:43 <K`zan> Fumble fingers :-[
22:05:49 <robin_z> sigh
22:06:46 <K`zan> Too many all nighters this week...
22:07:00 <alex_joni> k`zan: when posting ip-urls, use a / at the end
22:07:09 <alex_joni>  http://67.183.221.27:8181/~vw/00-4-tp/oldpix/
22:07:10 <Jymmm> K`zan: fix your dns
22:07:25 <alex_joni> else the web-server will return it's standard name
22:07:36 <alex_joni> Jymmm: try the URL I posted, works here
22:07:37 <robin_z> K`zan: look, its never going to work while you are sendign a 301 to witch1.seastar.org
22:07:41 <Jymmm> K`zan: drop that seastar entries big time
22:07:47 <Jymmm> alex_joni that works
22:08:02 <K`zan> Jymmm: alex_joni yes, item 1,475,324 on my list ;-).
22:08:31 <alex_joni> yes, because you don't get a 404/301 whatever ;)
22:09:06 <robin_z> yeah, the other uRI was doing a 301, moved permanently to witch1 etc
22:11:56 <robin_z> * robin_z gets bored
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22:12:33 <alex_joni> * alex_joni joins the boredom
22:12:42 <robin_z> entertain me!
22:12:45 <roel1> nothing to plasmcut! robin 
22:12:59 <robin_z> sigh .. not at the moment roel
22:13:10 <robin_z> got LASERS now :)
22:13:16 <roel1> wow 
22:13:31 <roel1> got a job 4 u :)
22:13:35 <robin_z> a Trumpf :)
22:13:36 <Jymmm> robin_z but you wont't share em!
22:13:51 <robin_z> Jymmm: I'll sell you that 1200w trumpf head ;)
22:14:09 <robin_z> roel1: got DXFs?
22:14:12 <Jymmm> robin_z: I'm still considering the surgical one
22:14:24 <alex_joni> * alex_joni is downloading 2.6.10
22:14:32 <robin_z> Jymmm: just buy it and send the the other 1101 dollars
22:14:34 <roel1> robin: yeh lots of them 
22:14:40 <a70camaro> Hello everyone.......
22:14:58 <Jymmm> robin_z: sure, but you make the laser operational =)
22:15:00 <robin_z> roel1: if yo uhave DXFs, I can laser em in up to 6mm steel, no problem
22:15:16 <alex_joni> hello a79camaro
22:15:39 <robin_z> roel1: http://www.rapidcut.co.uk/images/LY2500.jpg
22:15:54 <a70camaro> I will be ready to invest in a CNC machine soon 
22:15:54 <roel1> robin: its just 0.5 mm mild steel
22:16:07 <robin_z> roel1: cnc press and powder coat too :)
22:16:25 <a70camaro> which would be a good machine to start with ?
22:16:58 <roel1> tss nothing home build, shame on you 
22:17:24 <robin_z> roel1: the powder oven and extract is home build
22:17:34 <robin_z> roel1: LOTS of 500w halogen bulbs
22:17:48 <a70camaro> i have homebuilt already , but not ready to work yet , was able to cash in on a property sale and wouldlike to open up a shop
22:18:04 <a70camaro> oh ur not talking to me :-)
22:18:15 <robin_z> roel1: and I have this http://redpoint.org.uk/photos/lasers/
22:18:19 <roel1> robin : why not infra-red ceramic heaters 
22:18:39 <robin_z> roel1: expensive, halogen bulbs run on half voltage do same job for less $$$
22:19:25 <Jymmm> robin_z: come on.... 10# of lit magnesium will do it cheaper!
22:19:58 <Jymmm> go salvage some old vw blocks =)
22:20:03 <robin_z> 10# ??
22:20:09 <Jymmm> 10 pounds
22:20:14 <robin_z> oh. :)
22:21:05 <robin_z> well, I pump 20kw into the oven for hours on end, might need more than 10lbs
22:21:23 <Jymmm> ok.... 12#'s  =)
22:21:36 <robin_z> why do you use # for lbs?
22:21:41 <alex_joni> * alex_joni takes a shortcut
22:21:45 <robin_z> is that an american thing?
22:21:54 <alex_joni> catch you tomorrow guys
22:21:58 <Jymmm> pound symbol --> # 
22:21:59 <robin_z> night
22:22:07 <Jymmm> telephone
22:22:08 <robin_z> no, thats a hash symbol
22:22:14 <robin_z> £ symbol
22:22:47 <Jymmm> 123 456 789 *0#   <---- pound symbol
22:22:57 <robin_z> hash
22:23:02 <Jymmm> $ <--- dollar
22:23:06 <robin_z> dollar
22:23:18 <alex_joni> alex_joni has left #emc
22:23:19 <Jymmm> get with the times, it's Euro's now =)
22:23:29 <robin_z> not in the UK it isnt :)
22:24:03 <Jymmm> * Jymmm stops here.... could do the UK jokes/bagging all night =)
22:24:15 <Jymmm> and it's onlt 14:00  =)
22:24:21 <Jymmm> brb
22:24:46 <a70camaro> So does anybody have a suggestion on buying a first CNC Machine to open a shop ?
22:24:54 <robin_z> umm
22:24:57 <robin_z> plasma
22:24:59 <robin_z> router
22:25:01 <robin_z> mill
22:25:03 <robin_z> lathe
22:25:07 <Imperator_> did anybody know the command to search a string in all files of a folder ????
22:25:08 <robin_z> laser
22:25:29 <robin_z> Imperator_: yeah ... grep foobar * -r
22:25:36 <robin_z> where foobar is the string
22:25:44 <Imperator_> thx
22:25:47 <a70camaro> hear anything good about the HAAs toolroom mill?
22:25:48 <robin_z> grep "my search string" * -r
22:26:15 <robin_z> Imperator_: that is recursive, will do subfolders too
22:26:51 <Imperator_> thats what i want Robin
22:28:07 <robin_z> a70camaro: depends what market you want to get into, cnc laser is often 'jobshopped' ie just cut and send it out, hilling etc usually is part of a general engineering operation
22:29:28 <robin_z> some places do contract turning, but margins are thin
22:29:43 <robin_z> suspect you need to do mould making or such like to make real money
22:29:55 <a70camaro> well i thought short run jobs which alot of the bigger shops wont touch would be a good market to get into
22:29:56 <robin_z> suspect that needs lots of gear :(
22:30:05 <robin_z> dunno
22:30:16 <robin_z> find out whats going inyour local market
22:30:53 <robin_z> even the big shops are scratching for work here, theyll quote on small runs too
22:31:20 <Jymmm> You know what's sad.... "Build the CNC _________ , and the customers will come" is the mentality. And damnit if I don't have the same thinking!  LOL
22:31:50 <a70camaro> well I have noticed here that the used equipment market is shrinking , I guess that could be a good sign that machine shops are geting busy again
22:32:11 <robin_z> nah, it just means eventhe used resellers have gone out of business
22:32:22 <robin_z> and the cost of shipping to india is falling
22:32:30 <robin_z> and theres nothing left to ship
22:32:50 <Jymmm> I'm don't know about the rest of the world, but in the US has just become a "Disposable Society" anymore.  =(
22:33:12 <a70camaro> speaking of , has anybody called Dell technical support latley ???  it goes straight to india
22:33:20 <Jymmm> Microwave oveen $29, TV broken, buy a new one.
22:33:44 <robin_z> a70camaro: thart started about 5 years ago in the UK
22:33:45 <Jymmm> we wont even mention cellphones.
22:34:24 <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega is a throwback to the old days - I repair everything I can
22:34:25 <a70camaro> I have thought about machining just for my own product ,but i have to think of something to sell first :-)
22:34:38 <Jymmm> a70camaro ditto
22:34:46 <asdfqwega> I just fixed a keyboard with a conductive ink pen
22:34:51 <robin_z> socal was one of the hardest hit areas, around 20,000 small shops went to the wall in the last 5 years there
22:35:15 <Jymmm> a70camaro I have racked my brain with thousands of ideas, but while I can build it, it's a bitch merketing some of them.
22:35:38 <Jymmm> marketing
22:35:40 <a70camaro> yes I have noticed that , seems any used equipment I have found is on the other side in California ,which makes it a pain for me since I am on the east coast 
22:35:49 <robin_z> right
22:35:59 <Jymmm> a70camaro: yeah?
22:36:01 <Jymmm> where
22:36:06 <a70camaro> Florida
22:36:10 <Jymmm> * Jymmm is in Calif =)
22:36:11 <robin_z> tooling is sellign at $3 a pound out there 
22:36:21 <Jymmm> url's?
22:36:32 <robin_z> hell no
22:36:37 <a70camaro> just about any machine that i had interest in has been in Ca
22:36:40 <Jymmm> * Jymmm is a dumpster diving whore!
22:36:51 <robin_z> like you are going to put it on the web at $3 a pound
22:36:59 <robin_z> its effectively scrap prices, 
22:37:04 <robin_z> same for machine tools
22:37:25 <Jymmm> SoCal has/had the TRW swapmeet years ago - you could find amything
22:37:33 <a70camaro> Jymmm , ebay ;-)
22:37:40 <Jymmm> * Jymmm hates ebay
22:38:00 <Jymmm> * Jymmm also lives 2 miles from ebay HQ
22:38:02 <robin_z> lots of perfectly good machine tools went for scrap out there over recent years, even india coulnt take the volume thats come out of socal ..
22:38:21 <a70camaro> a couple weeks ago I wish i had the $$ , some guy was selling a HAAS toolroom mill with 40 hours on it fully decked out for 20k
22:38:24 <robin_z> but, there you go
22:38:42 <robin_z> cheap
22:38:54 <Jymmm> I just want a cnc router with a laser
22:39:05 <robin_z> yeah yeah
22:39:19 <Jymmm> it's all the physical room I have
22:39:25 <Jymmm> seriously
22:39:30 <robin_z> you'll have to build it
22:39:47 <robin_z> lasers have to be enclosed
22:40:00 <robin_z> so you'll not find a commercial one with a router head
22:40:49 <Jymmm> Since December I've been looking at http://versalaser.com/english/ but it's $14,000 USD for only 12" x 24" @ 35 Watts.  I just can't see spending that much for such a small thing.
22:41:10 <robin_z> too small to be of use to anythng but a sign shop
22:41:20 <a70camaro> Actually I lnow a guy that has a product and right now is making them on a "OLD" machine ,I have approached him to come in as a partner if I buy a new machine to run his parts on
22:41:26 <Jymmm> or plastics cutting, photo engraving
22:41:47 <robin_z> a70camaro: good choice. 
22:42:04 <a70camaro> yea but , i am shaky on the partner thing 
22:42:08 <robin_z> Jymmm: you seen what hapens to a laser when you cut plastic?
22:42:22 <Jymmm> robin_z: to the laser or the piece?
22:42:24 <robin_z> Jymmm: lets say "nasty fumes"
22:42:37 <robin_z> sticky black dirty fumes
22:42:38 <Jymmm> robin_z: Oh, yeah.... 950CFM blower  $99
22:42:43 <robin_z> yuck yuck yuck
22:43:34 <Jymmm> robin_z: I can spend the money on nice bearings and such, but w/o a laser I can't see much use for it.
22:44:01 <roel1> for a start use al laserpencil :)
22:44:05 <Jymmm> robin_z: thus when you can across that OR laser, it seriously peaked my interest.
22:44:06 <a70camaro> well I have a lot of thinking to do ,this is a once in alifetime deal I was able to make so I need to be smart with the $$
22:44:17 <Jymmm> roel1 say what?
22:44:40 <Jymmm> laser pencil?
22:44:44 <a70camaro> cyall later
22:44:47 <roel1> handheld laser (kids plaing with it)
22:44:53 <Jymmm> a pointer?
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22:45:27 <roel1> yeh (joke)
22:45:44 <Jymmm> roel1: I finally caught on. But I was being serious.
22:46:05 <Jymmm> If I could find a laser, I'd do it.
22:46:20 <Jymmm> I have about $5K budget for the right thing.
22:46:25 <roel1> were you from !
22:46:33 <Jymmm> Calif
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22:47:29 <roel1> cant be that hard to find in the states i think 
22:47:59 <Jymmm> roel1: it's the cost.... a 10W CO2 (new) is $1600
22:48:14 <Jymmm> 100Watt is $14,000 USD
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22:51:35 <robin_z> Jymmm: as I showed you, ebay is <1000 USD
22:51:50 <robin_z> or search madeinchina.com
22:52:12 <Jymmm> robin_z: are you talking just that one sergery laser? As I couldn't find others on ebay.  
22:52:35 <robin_z> you're kidding me right?
22:53:12 <Jymmm> robin_z: " searched for "CO2 laser" 
22:55:27 <Jymmm> robin_z: I know it sounds bad, but all IO'm finding are $10,000 USD and up
22:56:39 <Jymmm> no, I'm not kidding
22:56:57 <robin_z> searched in title and description
22:56:59 <robin_z> ??
22:57:50 <robin_z> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3179&item=3874633232&rd=1
22:58:10 <Jymmm> robin_z "sold as parts"
22:59:15 <robin_z> no shit
22:59:17 <robin_z> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26237&item=3874666785&rd=1
23:01:09 <robin_z> you'll have to buy a new one for $$$ or a probably OK one for 899 on eaby
23:01:23 <Jymmm> robin_z: the 
23:01:51 <Jymmm> robin_z: the 'ok' one is fine, but I don't want to spend $1000 to find out it's DOA AS-IS
23:02:03 <Jymmm> no returns
23:02:06 <robin_z> well, spend 5k on a new one then
23:02:22 <Jymmm> $5k for 100Watt?
23:02:25 <Jymmm> where?
23:02:43 <Jymmm> tha'ts my problem.
23:02:45 <Jymmm> =(
23:02:59 <robin_z> from CHINA
23:03:18 <robin_z> big country just east of you
23:04:24 <Jymmm> robin_z: Have you bought anything directly fron China?
23:05:10 <robin_z> yes
23:05:32 <Jymmm> robin_z: I dont mean off of ebay, I mean contacting china and buying something directly
23:05:37 <robin_z> yes
23:05:57 <Jymmm> what was that out of curisity?
23:05:59 <robin_z> circuit boards, components, laser tubes, disco lights, speakers, amplifiers, ..
23:06:03 <robin_z> shall I go on?
23:06:09 <roel1> yes :)
23:06:14 <Jymmm> no, that's fine. you speak chinese?
23:06:17 <robin_z> no
23:06:28 <Jymmm> robin_z did you buy bulk?
23:06:33 <robin_z> but, they speak english
23:06:51 <robin_z> bulk? ... not really .. 20 of each I guess
23:06:58 <robin_z> except circuit boards ..
23:07:02 <Jymmm> nah, that's not bulk
23:07:02 <robin_z> 8000 a time :)
23:07:13 <Jymmm> I meant container
23:07:25 <robin_z> nah, not doen a containerfull yet. 
23:07:37 <robin_z> 700GBP for a container to UK we got quoted
23:08:03 <Jymmm> shipping alone?
23:08:18 <robin_z> yep
23:08:34 <robin_z> not bad at all for a container
23:08:44 <Jymmm> yeah... we bought $80 of product, shipping was $100
23:09:10 <Jymmm> not really, no.
23:09:16 <K`zan> sigh, didn't save the bookmark for the live EMC iso, now I got to find it again :-/.
23:09:18 <Jymmm> how long?
23:09:50 <robin_z> does it matter if shipping is 100$ on 80 dollars of product?
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23:10:49 <robin_z> at china prices that 180 dollar total would syill cost you 500 in the US
23:10:58 <paul_c> K`zan: www.sherline.com/emc
23:12:15 <robin_z> Jymmm: so there aer your choices. buy cheap on ebay, pay full whack in the US or import from china ... take your pick
23:12:42 <K`zan> paul_c: THanks MUCH!
23:13:10 <roel1> http://www.laserresale.com/
23:13:17 <roel1> hi Paul :)
23:14:21 <paul_c> Hi Roel
23:17:07 <roel1> robin 
23:19:17 <robin_z> id forgotten about laseresale
23:19:23 <robin_z> lots of goodieson there
23:19:42 <robin_z> roel1: if you want any laser cutting, just ask
23:20:28 <roel1> robin: ok and ask me if u wand some printing done he'
23:20:38 <robin_z> :)
23:20:56 <roel1> just found a picture of me  
23:21:01 <roel1> robin: me and me bike in action 3rd overall dutch champ 2004 http://www.xs4all.nl/~atmel/actie.jpg
23:21:48 <robin_z> heh,
23:21:56 <robin_z> still trying to hurt yourself I see ;)
23:22:14 <roel1> :) going mad on tarmac lately
23:22:50 <robin_z> yeah, better than sand?
23:23:32 <robin_z> hurts more when it hits you on the head
23:24:09 <roel1> yeh its fast with 70 hp ( like a rocket out tha corner)
23:24:34 <robin_z> I can imagine ...
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23:25:55 <paul_c> alan_01: You really shouldn't be logging on as root
23:26:05 <gezr> I just got really lucky, I was putting the crankshaft back in, and I moved a new lamp over, and saw a few glass beads I didnt get washed out. I had to abort the assembly for now.
23:26:21 <alan_01> paul, you are right
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23:26:35 <robin_z> gezr: you will find beads for yeears
23:26:50 <gezr> robin_z : probably :)
23:26:58 <roel1> robin: now im building a cdi-ignition that i can modify on the hanldebar
23:27:42 <robin_z> roel1: yeah, I used to egt bored on my bike too .. mid race, always handy to have a small electronics project to get on with ;))
23:27:54 <roel1> robin: thats the part where some lasercutting is wanted
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23:27:58 <alan_01> * alan_01 slaps asdfqwega around with a small 50lb Unix Manual
23:27:58 <gezr> ill just take my time, and use a power washer to have at it, I dont have the best situation to do cleaning here
23:28:01 <robin_z> ahh :)
23:28:04 <alan_01> uhm
23:28:06 <alan_01> wow
23:28:07 <alan_01> sorry
23:28:53 <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega slaps alan_01 around with a piece of roadkill
23:28:56 <robin_z> roel1: a box for it?
23:28:58 <alan_01> hehe
23:30:09 <roel1> robin: nope the ignition in the engine itself that is made off 0.5 mm sheets 
23:30:31 <robin_z> ahh, the cores of the coil
23:30:46 <roel1> yeh
23:30:50 <robin_z> thats silicon-iron probably, not mild steel
23:31:27 <roel1> same as transformer metal i think
23:31:36 <robin_z> yeah
23:31:46 <robin_z> need a lacquer layer too
23:32:19 <robin_z> do a dxf, I'll see what I have
23:32:30 <robin_z> might have some thin zintec
23:34:18 <roel1> first i have to find the plastic caps were the wire gose on ( cant find the right words for it)
23:34:24 <robin_z> robin(at)refpoint.org.uk
23:34:30 <robin_z> ummm ... bobbin
23:34:41 <robin_z> spool
23:34:46 <robin_z> either of those
23:35:17 <roel1> spool inner parts the plastik parts 
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23:36:00 <robin_z> or make some
23:36:49 <robin_z> cardboard tube with resin, glassfibre PCB for end plates
23:37:45 <roel1> m there fits the routing machine well for the end caps :) 
23:37:54 <robin_z> yeah
23:38:05 <robin_z> I wonder about windows programming
23:38:08 <robin_z> I mean ,..
23:38:14 <robin_z> I look at some linux code
23:38:18 <robin_z> I see how it works
23:38:31 <robin_z> C++ .. java .. perl .. no problem
23:38:50 <robin_z> I look at a windows program in C++ .. I can t even FIND the code
23:39:05 <K`zan> * K`zan was off drooling on the sherline mills and lathes :-).
23:39:17 <K`zan> robin_z: LOL
23:39:25 <robin_z> this is in Borland Builder C++
23:39:40 <K`zan> * K`zan will no longer touch m$ anything
23:39:42 <robin_z> its a program that opens a DXF and displays it ...
23:39:59 <robin_z> it works, so the code MUST be in there ... somewhere
23:41:03 <robin_z> shrug, I hat M$ .. but .. most people have it, so you need to accept that and work with it... 
23:41:18 <robin_z> just keep it away from the raltime stuff ! :(
23:42:34 <K`zan> robin_z: There is that, but a lot of people are going linux, so I'll just bide my time :-).
23:43:03 <K`zan> Having been screwed by m$ since winditz 2.0, I have had ENOUGH of that.
23:43:17 <K`zan> * K`zan masochism DOES have limits :-).
23:44:03 <Jymmm> Mfg has sample pic of "laser marking detonators"!  lol
23:44:36 <robin_z> well, yeah, but windows isnt THAT bad anymore ... 2.0 was orrible .. XP is actually nice
23:45:09 <robin_z> it doesnt even crash anymore!
23:45:10 <K`zan> xp sucks just as badly...
23:45:13 <robin_z> * robin_z touches wood
23:45:31 <K`zan> Horsehocky, it toasts reasonably regularly, NOT as bad as the stuff before, but...
23:45:48 <robin_z> I havent had my XP workstation bluescreen yet
23:45:56 <robin_z> had it 2 years now
23:46:15 <K`zan> I live across the lake from m$ and know people that work there. amazing they can have such GOOD people and turn out such *shit*.
23:46:50 <roel1> lol
23:46:53 <robin_z> well, its not bad ... linux has its purpose, like servers, I always run linux on servers 
23:47:00 <robin_z> desktops, dunno
23:47:20 <robin_z> installing stuff on XP is easy, so is removing it
23:47:24 <K`zan> I have a girlfriend who works over there, she is very prim and propper, and I asked her about IE once (she worked on it, at the time) and she described the code as "shit", the ONLY foul language I ever heard her use...
23:47:24 <robin_z> downside is 
23:47:36 <robin_z> that soemtimes its not justyou doing the installing and removing ;)
23:47:50 <K`zan> Problem is that it still has all the problems it always had and STILL doesn't play nice with others.
23:47:57 <robin_z> IEsucks, thats true
23:48:11 <robin_z> I do use firefox on doze, and thunderbird
23:48:20 <K`zan> IE is just another windoz app...
23:48:39 <K`zan> Me too, only thing I keep winditz around for anymore is games...
23:48:48 <robin_z> yeah, but there are some great apps for doze you cant get on linux (yet)
23:48:56 <K`zan> Various flight sims, OFP...
23:49:11 <robin_z> solidworks, cam packages, blah blah blah
23:49:29 <robin_z> the Xilinx FPGA design tool ! .. now .. that rocks.
23:49:32 <K`zan> yes, true, but if you look around and are willing to deal with it, you can get by with linux apps and even come to love them :-).
23:49:53 <robin_z> yeah, sometimes
23:50:08 <robin_z> linux wins there .. like Eclipse for development
23:50:13 <robin_z> thats awesome
23:50:37 <K`zan> Not for me, all the stuff I used to miss, I just don't worry about anymore, found stuff I can live with to do what I need to do.  FAR less hassle overall.
23:50:51 <K`zan> And far cheaper :-).
23:51:08 <robin_z> I still do 50/50 doze and linux on the desktop, 100% linux on servers
23:51:13 <gezr> I use whatever works
23:51:17 <robin_z> quite
23:51:28 <gezr> linux on the servers for sure, but whatever works,
23:51:34 <K`zan> Same here, I just have found I don't NEED anything from m$ anymore.
23:51:57 <robin_z> well, I do. but that may change in the next few years
23:52:01 <K`zan> NICE place to be, I can say that I never expect that to be possible.
23:52:31 <K`zan> Up until about 3-4 years ago now, I maintained that linux as a desktop / workstation was not possible.
23:52:46 <robin_z> oh its possible, has been for ages
23:52:48 <K`zan> Servers YES, desktop NO, but that has changed.
23:52:58 <robin_z> my laptop has been linux for 7 years now
23:52:59 <gezr> I used linux as a desktop for oh my, since 98 or so
23:53:18 <K`zan> For a long time it was not, the apps just didn't exist, but that is changing at an ever increasing rate now.
23:53:32 <robin_z> but theres still a lot of apps that are doze only ...
23:53:51 <K`zan> Not for me :-).
23:54:17 <robin_z> well, for me there are, and I'll probably develop my next "thing" on doze too
23:54:27 <robin_z> not because I like it ..
23:54:33 <robin_z> I hate it for development
23:54:38 <K`zan> After installing windows, 10,253,354,112,458 times, I am just totally burned out to spending money for that kind of abuse :-).
23:54:46 <robin_z> but my customers will have it, so go with it I say.
23:55:02 <K`zan> Get a better class of customer :-).
23:55:10 <robin_z> yeh, nice thought
23:55:15 <robin_z> wont happen
23:55:18 <robin_z> not in industry/
23:55:35 <K`zan> I refuse to support it anymore.  I'll live under a bridge first.  Fortunately that hasn't become necessary :-).
23:56:01 <robin_z> I dont have that high a set of principles.
23:56:04 <robin_z> whatewver sells.
23:56:17 <K`zan> Once again supporting my theory that most managers in industry are idiots on a good day...
23:56:31 <robin_z> hell, thats very insulting.
23:56:39 <robin_z> to idiots :)
23:57:04 <K`zan> Saw the same thing back in the IBM mainframe days "Nobody ever got fired for specifying IBM"  s/IBM/M$ now...
23:57:19 <robin_z> dunno abu that
23:57:20 <K`zan> True, apologies to iditos ;-)
23:57:39 <robin_z> in server markets .. M$ is a poor choice, and a rare choice these days
23:57:54 <K`zan> BTDT, true...  Sad to say. Since managers started coming from college, it has been a fact...
23:58:02 <robin_z> but desktop, dunno. XP is pretty decent ... way better than anyting they offered before
23:58:50 <robin_z> anyway
23:58:52 <robin_z> bedtime
23:59:00 <K`zan> Never understood that mess until I discovered that a long time ago, that managers were workers who were too old to actually do the heavy work anymore and took a pay cut to keep working and show the workers how to do things :-).
23:59:12 <robin_z> later guys :)
23:59:13 <K`zan> Rest well!
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