00:18:37 febisfebi: to change the pins you have to recompile 00:23:15 :/ 00:23:42 yeah, i know 00:23:52 thtas why emc2 got started ;) 00:23:57 lol 00:24:42 argh .. too much wine 00:24:45 hot fire 00:24:54 and its late 00:25:03 hm, I am hand writing this program.. 00:25:14 stupid cam program that cant generate arcs instead of lines. 00:25:16 and? 00:25:23 oh 00:25:38 2d or 3d? 00:25:59 picnet has joined #emc 00:26:34 2.5dg01 z19 00:26:34 g01 z-5 00:26:35 err 00:26:38 http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/part01.JPG 00:27:12 you have an .stl file? 00:27:17 yes 00:27:24 err iges.. 00:27:36 I think I can export one 00:27:41 iges I always have trouble with ... so many formats 00:28:53 argh ,.. to much wine, i could try and feed it throuhg a cam package but its gone midnight and im a bit ... 00:28:56 errm ... 00:29:02 whats the word? 00:29:24 hm, drunk? 00:29:28 thats it 00:29:30 drunk 00:29:34 slightly 00:30:01 hehe 00:30:07 I wish I were like that also 00:30:45 I got a stl now 00:31:10 holding@redpoint.org.uk 00:32:02 you just want it machining away, in the red shaded bit? 00:32:15 yeah 00:32:21 cutter dia and depth per pass 00:32:32 6mm cutter 00:32:45 50% of cutter dia 00:32:54 or 60% 00:33:01 I am machining plastic :) 00:33:38 loadibg ... 00:33:41 ok 00:34:19 the main problem is probably me & my cam package.. :) 00:36:10 20x60x60 stock? 00:36:54 the stock is somthing like 70x100 00:37:10 x20 00:37:50 tht 00:37:55 thats a lott 00:38:00 to machine away 00:38:13 part os 60x60 00:38:18 e 00:38:23 * robin_sz cant type :) 00:38:24 yeah but I just cut a test piece of the plastic.. 00:38:25 :) 00:38:50 it's to be machined out.. 00:39:07 err contoured out of the platic piece 00:39:15 so I use 60x60 as the stock 00:39:20 damn it wantd 00:39:24 yeah 00:39:25 to cut thods 00:39:30 ? 00:39:32 outside chmfers 00:39:41 want me to remove them? 00:40:00 lets see if the code works first 00:40:04 and mail you it again?ok 00:40:07 :) 00:41:20 sent 00:41:29 ok 00:41:30 :) 00:41:58 oopsy 00:42:05 ballmill not flat 00:42:14 bah, should be the same 00:42:45 iyeah 00:42:50 :) 00:43:03 my mailserver is a bit slow on incomming 00:43:09 since it scans everything :) 00:43:29 damn .. and 12mm ... wait 1 00:44:10 hehe 00:44:46 sent again 00:44:58 thanks 00:45:04 way too much wine! 00:45:08 haha 00:45:21 thats just a roughing pass, want a finish pass with same cutter? 00:45:41 yes plase 00:45:43 please3 00:45:58 heh, your influencing me to make typos too 00:45:59 :) 00:47:16 this is for 60x60 stock, it will try and finish the outside ... 00:47:57 :) 00:48:11 I forget exactly what post htis is now ... shuld be close though 00:48:22 :) 00:48:48 hi guys 00:49:25 hey les 00:49:25 hi 00:49:28 00:49:38 sent ... 00:49:44 just finished my diamond sharpening jig after a long day 00:49:53 nice 00:49:57 tried it? 00:50:03 and does it sharpen your diamonds nicely? 00:50:15 nope...will true the wheel tommorow 00:50:18 heh 00:50:53 I made an arbor accurate enough that I will not have to retrue after breaking setup 00:51:10 couple tenths runout 00:51:11 les: nice 00:51:23 mm/" 00:51:44 .005 mm tir 00:52:23 ah neat 00:52:28 To get that I must align the collet to a radial mark each time 00:52:45 so it goes in exactly the same 00:53:01 robin_sz: I'll try it in like 2 minutes 00:53:23 still has the plunges for the edge chamfers 00:53:40 :) 00:53:46 I am just simulating yet 00:53:51 right 00:54:01 you have grpahical viewer? 00:54:08 emc + backplot 00:54:12 k 00:54:25 it's the machining time that I am looking at 00:54:31 ah, 00:54:38 what did I set as feeds? 00:54:41 I need it to make the o with arcs to get it smooth.. 00:54:47 random I suspect 00:54:50 0.6" 00:54:51 heh 00:54:53 :) 00:54:56 sigh 00:54:59 or well smooth/fast.. 00:55:18 the trouble is that cam packages break stuff like that up in lines.. 00:55:44 perl -pi -e's/F0.6/Fxxx/' foo.txt 00:56:17 running steppersegmod? 00:56:28 yes 00:56:41 emc2 dosent have segmentqueue or does it? 00:56:42 should be fine in segments or arcs really 00:56:44 err.. 00:56:47 no 00:56:47 ah 00:56:49 emc2 00:56:54 motmod.o 00:56:59 or what it's called :) 00:57:07 * robin_sz has no eyed deer 00:57:25 ? 00:57:38 no idea 00:57:55 hmmm checking my email I see I have a request for an acoustics consulting gig 00:58:16 another portable power tool silencing job no doubt 00:59:02 :) 00:59:38 here, have some pseudo random fan blade spacing ;) 00:59:47 yeah 00:59:59 haha 01:00:04 well this is Paslode...an ITW division 01:00:10 pneumatic nailers 01:00:18 right 01:00:44 I cansee that could be fun 01:00:50 hmmm I am a muffler designer again? 01:00:59 plenty of oportunity for using casings as mufflers 01:01:01 my code works great now also ^_^ 01:01:13 yup 01:01:17 I found out how to mill it with in arcs 01:01:24 ah :) 01:01:33 I'll try the one that you sent me too :) 01:01:47 the pices are supposed to take like 5 minutes each 01:01:56 I gave up hand coding years ago ... 01:02:03 oh I dont hand code ;) 01:02:14 I feel the same.. 01:02:14 I should read back...but what are you making? 01:02:22 chips 01:02:26 ha 01:02:31 yeah 01:02:32 and tooling parts 01:02:42 a housing for a tree seed planting device.. 01:02:55 cool 01:03:13 this one I am trying to machine is the first prototype.. 01:03:17 ;) 01:03:49 I hope to have a bit more of that kind of thing after turkey season 01:04:10 we are going to market em with the other stuff we make for making the holes to put the seed in ;) 01:04:17 I had better...I hired a retired engineer part time for the machine tool end 01:04:38 computer controlled? 01:04:49 yep 01:04:51 PLC's 01:05:06 yeah use those cheap super PLCs 01:05:11 haha 01:05:12 LOL 01:05:17 they are expensive but very good.. 01:05:39 but well they do multitasking and stuff like that.. 01:06:08 $200....pid servo....stepper... lots of analog and digital io....progams in basic and ladder 01:06:28 10 amp 24v outputs 01:06:41 programming this in ladder wont cut it :) 01:06:50 I am using that for the spray painting robot 01:07:02 yeah but you dont have 2 chnnels to control.. 01:07:14 it's more like 2 robots.. with sensors and stuff.. 01:07:26 that's running in paralell on the same plc.. 01:07:33 same here...that is why I like the ones that progam in a language 01:07:46 the ones I work with is in some C-ish language.. 01:07:47 Basic is not the best...but it will do nicely 01:07:55 it does c++/c also ;) 01:08:03 neat 01:08:08 or any language that can give a .coff 01:08:33 :) 01:08:51 I have to review basic a little...have not written in it in many years 01:09:03 hehe 01:09:12 I wouldnt enjoy writing this in basic.. 01:09:17 it's too much stuff.. 01:09:28 :) 01:09:50 let's see...instead of switch() it's case_select() 01:10:27 user interfaces and stuff also.. and serial port interface for the PC in the machine's they mount on ;) 01:11:05 robin_sz: you have the same problem with that program that I had with mine earlier 01:11:13 sigh 01:11:14 yeah this one I am using is rs-232 and 485 01:12:14 well I have bugged you enough...off to the music room for a few tunes 01:12:35 Miles and jimi hendrix? 01:12:44 nice 01:12:55 later! 01:12:57 I am listening to infected mushroom.. 01:12:58 :) 01:13:02 haha 01:13:11 keeping my brain spinning.. 01:13:31 I am dead tired.. 01:14:03 me too..took 12 hrs to make that grinding fixture 01:14:07 haha 01:14:16 that beats what I've done today :) 01:14:39 I am looking forward to hearing how it works 01:14:51 Had to do it...I am 6 or so hours from having no sharp cutters 01:15:19 But sharpening carbide spiral end mills will be good 01:15:26 yeah 01:15:37 I think I got myself into some trouble today also.. 01:15:58 a friend asked if I could machine some gears off a gearbox shaft.. 01:16:20 but I think that will go well :) 01:16:35 machining the teeth? 01:16:47 turning them away.. 01:16:49 in the lathe :) 01:17:00 oh! 01:17:28 All the stuff I made today was 1140 prehard 01:17:36 machines nice though 01:17:44 I cant relate to how hard that is 01:17:44 :) 01:17:49 is that brinell? 01:17:54 1140? 01:17:57 rockwell c 30 or so 01:18:25 also known by the trade name "fatigueproof" 01:18:47 used a lot in car transmissions 01:19:05 has a very good machinability rating 01:19:10 ok 01:19:11 :) 01:19:12 80% or so 01:19:27 pretty amazing for something that hard 01:19:37 nice 01:19:53 Get some...you'll love it 01:20:00 :) 01:20:15 oh it's not that hard.. 01:20:30 I machined some 300 brinell hardox on my small mill 01:20:32 331 01:20:32 01:20:38 C35 is 331 brinell 01:20:41 hardened hyoeutechtoid steel that machines like butter 01:20:53 c30 is 285 brinell 01:20:54 eutectoid 01:20:56 oops 01:21:05 although it depends on how sharp cutter you have :) 01:21:19 yes 01:21:31 I just tried it, the metal got all shiny afterwards.. 01:21:31 Machined with cemented carbide 01:21:38 :D 01:21:46 I wish I had a good source for stuff like that 01:21:51 my supplier is limited.. 01:21:59 but I can get stainless and alu now 01:22:09 hard turning is cool...5 times the efficiency of grinding 01:22:16 hard turning? 01:22:40 single point machining of hardened materials 01:22:43 I've never heard about it.. 01:22:44 ah ok.. 01:23:02 with carbide or polycrystalline diamond 01:23:08 neat 01:23:27 I have loads of SECO carbide inserts.. 01:23:28 :) 01:23:46 that I bought off a auction.. 01:24:14 I use either c2 carbide or M43 cobalt for most stuff 01:24:39 :) 01:24:53 I love the questions on cnczone on how to make holes in carbide.. 01:26:08 with the effort it requires it'd probably be cheaper to have somone edm them 01:27:05 yeah I guess 01:28:16 I am looking at my diamond cleaning stick... 01:28:28 :) 01:28:29 It opens the grain after truing 01:28:38 its aluminum oxide 01:28:56 seems strange to use that for cleaning 01:29:12 yeah 01:29:34 I guess it abrades away the resinoid binder 01:29:48 but does not dull the diamond grains 01:30:07 that sounds right 01:30:53 Seems reasonable I guess...I have used the same diamond point to true aluminum oxise wheels on the surface grinder for years 01:30:59 oxide 01:31:29 I wish I had s surace grinder.. 01:31:37 you can take loads off with a dimaond point too. 01:31:43 I found one at a auction for 25$.. 01:31:47 They are handy 01:31:52 but it was too much work.. 01:31:58 I used mine a bit today 01:32:05 first time in months 01:32:16 but when you need them you need them 01:32:17 I'd love to be able to grind steel pices.. 01:32:18 nice little cylindrical grinder is nice if you get one 01:32:29 enirely flat.. 01:32:32 little myford ot the like 01:32:46 I have two themac tool post grinders for the lathe 01:32:48 like jaws for vises and stuff.. 01:33:19 I rescraped the surface grinder with a lab grade surface plate 01:33:24 :) 01:33:27 so it is very accurate 01:33:54 put a ground part on the plate and the indicator doesn't move 01:33:56 i like my lathe too much touse a toolpost grinder 01:34:08 yeah 01:34:23 that's nice 01:34:25 I just tape polythene all aroung the ways 01:34:44 how do you keep it out of the coolant? 01:34:52 cover everything up 01:34:55 I'll be sending my mill table for surface grinding later 01:34:57 I grind dry 01:35:00 I just need more toolmarks into it ;) 01:35:05 err on 01:35:32 but they are slow....01 mm is a DEEP cut for them 01:35:51 surface grinders or toolpost grinders? 01:36:00 tool post 01:36:03 ah yeah 01:36:19 turning first and then grinding :) is a good way to make it quickly.. 01:36:36 today on the surface grinder I was using .06 mm roughing cuts 01:36:44 haha 01:36:48 heavy 01:36:53 then spark off at .005 mm 01:37:55 I used the new norton type 32 hybrid ceramic wheels 01:38:04 They are very nice 01:38:23 robin_sz: that program is still running 01:38:24 :) 01:38:25 I will not buy anymore pink or white wheels 01:38:46 at 0.6" minute im not suprised 01:38:54 oh I am running at 500mm/min 01:38:56 delete all the F words! :) 01:40:17 hehe 01:40:45 * anonimasu yawns 01:41:37 me too...hey wasn't I going to the music room? 01:41:56 yeah you were 01:42:03 well I shall 01:42:10 I'll be heading for the shower.. 01:42:12 have fun 01:42:15 I'll finish this program tomorrow 01:42:16 lol 01:42:22 I hope I dont fall asleep and drown 01:42:27 bye guys 01:42:31 it's 02:47 over here 01:42:34 bye les 01:43:03 robin_sz: thanks for the help! 01:45:30 night everyone 02:11:48 robin_sz has quit 02:59:41 febisfebi has quit 03:16:48 picnet has quit 03:31:32 danfalck has left #emc 03:31:41 danfalck has joined #emc 04:38:48 picnet has joined #emc 07:03:27 jepler_ has joined #emc 07:03:27 jepler has quit 07:20:42 picnet has quit 08:50:44 picnet has joined #emc 09:41:37 asdf-meep has quit 09:57:51 picnet has quit 10:21:49 asdfqwega has joined #emc 10:51:16 picnet has joined #emc 10:58:15 vasquez has joined #emc 13:07:05 hmm 13:15:37 picnet has quit 13:43:44 robin_sz has joined #emc 14:24:43 robin_sz has quit 14:51:53 picnet has joined #emc 14:56:04 alex_joni has joined #emc 15:35:04 alex_joni has quit 15:43:49 SteveStallings has joined #emc 15:51:18 picnet has quit 16:12:42 vasquez has quit 16:12:59 hello 16:30:28 SteveStallings has quit 16:52:28 picnet has joined #emc 16:55:15 hello anonimasu. 17:16:16 robin_sz has joined #emc 17:33:31 picnet has quit 17:42:31 robin - recovered from the wine? 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22:00:43 geckos with servos.. 22:00:52 ok 22:01:04 the ferror is just a virtual thing 22:01:14 put in big numbers 22:01:19 the most I'll ever have are +/- 128 counts.. 22:01:45 right...the gecko controls ferror estop...not emc 22:01:52 yep 22:02:01 so I can just ignore it and put my ferror high.. 22:02:07 is that right? 22:02:19 emc numbers are just for the virtual software servo model 22:02:37 They have no real physical significance 22:02:40 the machine moves at 1000mm/min without problems it just ferrors pretty quickly.. 22:02:43 just like that... 22:03:03 I'll be getting a vital card later on but I need to do some more work on the machine to justify the purchase 22:03:18 Only in full servo mode do the emc ferror numbers do anything 22:03:38 I will use the vital on the second mill coming in 22:03:53 I'll wait for my purchase until you've been testing it for a bit ;) 22:04:00 haha 22:04:01 ok 22:04:05 I think g2002 seems nice also.. 22:04:19 but I like having the feedback like on real machines.. 22:04:25 well buddy, the guy near me, got it to work fine on a real machine 22:04:32 so i'm ready 22:04:38 all I need is time 22:04:42 :) 22:04:52 I dont care much for the money.. I've already invested too much to care 22:05:02 I called and will have so engineering to do in march 22:05:10 nice 22:05:11 some 22:05:31 what kind of? 22:05:31 It's for ITW Ransburg/Gema 22:05:39 that seems cool 22:05:43 The inventors of Powder coating 22:05:52 Robin would like that 22:06:04 hehe yeah :) 22:06:50 well if that's the case with ferror I might be able to machine theese parts tomorrow 22:06:56 We need to develop a method to compete with Graco's air turbine generator that develops high voltage from the air supply 22:07:14 I am going to try a whistle! 22:07:28 whistle? 22:07:48 I've never heard about air turbine generators :) 22:07:56 ultrasonic Piezo reed vibrates in a supersonic air jet... 22:08:02 generates power 22:08:14 ok :) 22:08:16 shuold be challenging 22:08:25 nice 22:08:27 need to make about 6 watts 22:08:33 with a whistle 22:08:38 hm, that's not that much.. 22:08:39 heh 22:09:10 or is it if we are talking about generating.. 22:09:35 I remember dog whistle sounds could be concentrated with a parabolic dish to light little fires like a magnifying glass 22:09:52 hehe 22:09:55 that's cool 22:10:12 or rather violent.. :) 22:10:15 so 6 watts might not be a big deal 22:10:24 yeah if you can use somthing like that 22:10:34 trouble is I must spend some time in Chicago and Indy 22:10:39 long trip 22:10:48 but... 22:11:13 somthing like whistle > dish > to collector mounted on whistle 22:11:17 I charge $1000 a day for plant visits so I think I will survive 22:11:17 or somthing like that :) 22:11:19 heh 22:11:22 haha 22:11:49 cant really complain with that salary :) 22:12:05 not sure...might be a dirctly vibrating reed or a helmholtz resonator coupled to the piezo 22:12:24 but I won't think about it too much... 22:12:37 till the development contract is signed 22:12:46 yeah it's best that way 22:13:01 I get half manic when building stuff.. 22:13:16 I need money when I am hurting my brain thinking and stuff 22:13:23 yeah 22:13:54 I think about the stuff I do until I forget other things that's less nescessary 22:14:11 hmm I was thinking if taking a month off in the spring 22:14:15 oh well 22:14:20 yeah you should :) 22:14:26 I need it 22:14:47 I was supposed to be in brazil last week and this week.. but my mother got ill so we couldnt go 22:14:53 The first spring flowers are blooming now 22:15:03 Ah Brazil...warm there 22:15:08 already? 22:15:10 nice 22:15:16 it's -27c outside over here 22:15:25 oh the first flowers often get snowed on 22:15:34 yikes 22:15:53 +15 here 22:16:36 It got that cold in Chicago 22:16:40 :) 22:16:53 but -27 is really cold 22:17:12 nah 22:17:27 time to frostbite for unprotected skin is a minute or two i'll bet 22:17:32 might be over there 22:17:54 I was expecting it to be around 40 somtime soon 22:18:13 The coldest we get here (up north) is in the -40 range 22:18:22 c or f...doesn't matter 22:18:26 yeah :) 22:18:28 hehe 22:18:30 the scales cross there 22:18:52 I like cold weather 22:18:57 The record for here in Georgia is -16f 22:19:15 how many c is that I never remember how to calc that 22:19:29 about -30 c? 22:19:35 ah ok 22:20:00 over -17 is pretty cold to be outside in 22:20:31 yes that is below zero on f scale I think 22:20:52 or around zero 22:21:29 Oh...one thing I found about grinding carbide... 22:21:40 the dust is not a big problem 22:21:46 ok? 22:22:07 Carbide is so dense it just falls right down next to the wheel 22:22:28 does not float around and get on stuff 22:23:04 I took some pictures...I will put them on the blog later 22:23:12 that's nice :) 22:23:51 Well, I must go to town and get groceries. I am totally out of everything 22:23:58 yeah do that 22:24:00 not even a cracker to eat 22:24:06 ouch that's really bad 22:24:20 just too busy 22:24:25 well 22:24:31 be back on later 22:24:57 yeah laters 22:25:59 I'll be heading for bed in a couple of minutes 22:43:35 meep? 22:44:46 * anonimasu goes *pong* 22:45:08 * robin_sz holds his nose 22:46:29 less drunk today? 22:46:38 yeah, but tired 22:46:41 very tired 22:47:24 hows your tree planter? 22:47:35 it's going nicely 22:47:40 got emc to run with my toolpaths and all.. 22:47:43 works smoothly 22:47:48 but I get ferrors.. 22:47:48 kewl 22:47:59 thats servos for you :) 22:48:11 oh, it's emc that think servos.. 22:48:20 I have geckos so I'll never be more then +/- 128 counts 22:48:41 ah, yes thatweirdness where emc pretends has servos for steppers 22:49:13 need faster PC then 22:49:36 it's a 500mhz.. 22:49:38 it should be plenty 22:49:49 shouldnt it? 22:49:50 true 22:50:00 I would have hoped so 22:50:26 what frq are you trying to get out of it? 22:50:29 pulse wise? 22:50:33 hm, dunno 22:50:43 640pulses per mm 22:51:00 uh huh 22:51:05 err 22:51:16 x mm per second 22:51:20 the scale.. 22:51:33 16.6 22:51:35 1000mm/min 22:52:09 so 10.6666 khz 22:52:18 yeah 22:52:29 that seems low somehow.. 22:52:34 sounds not too bad for a 500mhz box 22:52:47 isnt that hz.. 22:52:50 or if it khz? 22:52:56 howdy guys :) 22:53:03 I said khz 22:53:10 10666 hz 22:53:19 um that's low.. 22:53:19 :) 22:53:22 ho gezr 22:53:27 I ran 25000hz with turbocnc.. 22:53:35 robin_sz : I think my clymer manual has an error 22:53:57 thats normal 22:54:08 isnt turbocnc pretty much set freq? 22:54:21 set freq? 22:54:31 as in it will achieve this rate under normal conditions? 22:54:53 no idea.. 22:55:12 nevermind I was under the idea that it would do a higher rate for some reason 22:55:22 oh it can... 22:55:27 but I ran it at a p200mmz 22:55:29 mmx 22:57:47 :) 23:01:21 hmm, I guess I'll have to set the multiplier on the geckos even more 23:02:01 but that'd give me a stepsize of 0.0125mm.. 23:02:02 :/ 23:02:05 feels large 23:05:23 acemi has quit 23:16:48 picnet has joined #emc 23:52:36 robin - had any time to play? 23:53:37 hi bob 23:53:40 a little 23:53:45 but not in depth 23:53:52 recovered from the wine? 23:54:05 yeah, just the swiss to deal with today 23:55:25 *supposed* to be going to geneva on friday ... but still beating software into shape 23:55:45 ecch - good luck 23:56:12 remember there's always one more bug 23:58:23 1? hell .. I have plenty :) 23:58:34 :-) 23:58:56 of course, the client has no spec, so its hard to deifne bugs and features ;) 23:59:44 Ahh yes - the mind spec 23:59:55 sorta