00:14:45 <robin_sz>  meep
00:19:13 <robin_sz> * robin_sz sticks a penguin gif on the Wiki
00:19:47 <websys> Careful where you stick your penguin
00:20:00 <robin_sz> quite.
00:20:05 <robin_sz> they can give you a nasty peck
00:21:27 <robin_sz> what license do we want on this?
00:21:30 <robin_sz> GPL?
00:21:41 <robin_sz> creative commons non-commercial?
00:24:43 <paul_c> GPL
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00:27:18 <paul_c> Coo.. A new face
00:27:38 <bradleyb> hi
00:28:03 <bradleyb> i'm trying to set up emc for the 1st time and was wondering if anyone might be able to help
00:28:10 <bradleyb> had some specific questions
00:28:21 <paul_c> ask away
00:28:59 <bradleyb> i have steppers - it seems like there are a lot .ini params that are for servos.
00:29:09 <bradleyb> is there a sample ini file for steppers?
00:30:25 <robin_sz> hmm GPL.
00:30:45 <robin_sz> not wuite sure how to do a GPL on stuff ive not written ...
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00:31:49 <robin_sz> * robin_sz waves
00:31:57 <SteveStallings> hi
00:32:58 <robin_sz> any preference between a creative commons free-to-share / non-commercial license or GPL on the wiki?
00:34:32 <SteveStallings> hope you are not asking me, I live in a world that assumes that if it is on the net, its free perios
00:34:37 <SteveStallings> period
00:34:47 <robin_sz> yeah, fair enough
00:35:18 <robin_sz> I slapped a CC license on it, I'll change it to something else if people moan sufficiently :)
00:35:21 <SteveStallings> Paul has some stronger feelings about GPL, at least with respect to code
00:35:54 <robin_sz> slapping GPL on stuff you havent written personally is nigh on impossible from what I understand
00:36:24 <robin_sz> and I didn;t write everyting on the wiki
00:36:34 <robin_sz> so I cant really see how I can GPL it ...
00:36:37 <robin_sz> whatver, 
00:36:42 <robin_sz> life consdiered too short
00:36:49 <robin_sz> im sure it will be fine.
00:38:19 <SteveStallings> I would assume that copyright of any kind could only be apl
00:38:29 <SteveStallings> applied to the organization of the data, 
00:38:56 <robin_sz> shrug
00:38:58 <robin_sz> probably
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00:39:30 <robin_sz> whatever, lets see if we can get enough content thats worth copyrighting first :)
00:39:43 <robin_sz> liked the new front page btw
00:39:46 <robin_sz> cleaner.
00:39:57 <robin_sz> I slapped a small chips on it.
00:40:12 <SteveStallings> by the way, seem to gotten my mIRC client and my firewall happier with each other
00:40:24 <robin_sz> excellent
00:40:33 <robin_sz> told you is was that NAT stuff
00:41:20 <SteveStallings> I would still like to figure out how to modify the banner so that the main title was a stable EMC reference, not just the name of the current page
00:41:32 <SteveStallings> like having Chips there
00:42:35 <robin_sz> yeah?
00:42:45 <robin_sz> liek what do you have in mind?
00:43:10 <robin_sz> EMC Info :: The Page Title
00:43:19 <robin_sz> I'll hack the code ...
00:43:51 <SteveStallings> well, chips is on every page... can we just put a "EMC Knowledgebase" title at the top with a link to the wiki home page just like Chips?
00:44:15 <SteveStallings> still show current page title
00:45:06 <SteveStallings> gee, we already have a EmcKnowledgeBase link, just move it to the top and make it bigger
00:45:21 <robin_sz> you mean like where it says EmcKnowledgebase now, that links to the frontpage, that again, but bigger
00:45:32 <robin_sz> hmmm
00:47:31 <SteveStallings> just updated BasicSteps to remove references to UseMod icon
00:49:01 <robin_sz> hmmm
00:49:12 <robin_sz> im not sure that extra link works ...
00:49:23 <SteveStallings> OK, I get the tune, what are the words....?
00:50:42 <robin_sz> hmmm mmmm ... mmmmm and my dog was dead ...
00:50:57 <robin_sz> * robin_sz changes the colors for fun
00:51:19 <SteveStallings> bingo, it works, color is ...... well it's not white
00:51:30 <robin_sz> FFFFCC
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00:52:40 <SteveStallings> how about e6e6ff to match LinuxCNC.org
00:54:02 <robin_sz> im not sure that extra header line works
00:54:52 <SteveStallings> link works fine, perhaps we need to work on the text...
00:55:09 <SteveStallings> Chips and color lend continuity 
00:56:26 <robin_sz> takes up a lot of spcae
00:56:41 <SteveStallings> for now how about just add to it >> EMC KnowledgeBase for LinuxCNC
00:56:45 <robin_sz> creen real-estate should be used by info, not trimmings
00:57:40 <robin_sz> I put a link in back to linux cnc.org
00:57:44 <paul_c> * paul_c => food
00:59:08 <robin_sz> ach, bored now
00:59:26 <SteveStallings> I don't understand the "backlinks" page that you get when you click on the current page title, does it serve a purpose?
00:59:41 <robin_sz> shows you what pages link to this one
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01:00:15 <robin_sz> imagine .. i dunno
01:00:21 <SteveStallings> perhaps the current page title could be prefixed with "You Are Here >" or something like that
01:00:21 <robin_sz> you are documenting some code
01:00:48 <robin_sz> you might write a page about some function
01:01:00 <robin_sz> it would be nice to see which pages referenced that page ...
01:01:27 <SteveStallings> guess it is useful, just wondering
01:01:53 <robin_sz> it doesnt use any screen space, its judt 'there if you want it'
01:02:34 <robin_sz> You are here? ... nah, thats as bad as 'click here' ...
01:02:45 <SteveStallings> 8-)
01:04:30 <SteveStallings> I like the ones that are a complete clickable path tree home>there>here but that could get out of hand quickly on a wiki
01:04:39 <robin_sz> well, 
01:04:44 <robin_sz> weikis are not trees
01:04:54 <robin_sz> so yo ucant fo the breadcrumb ting
01:05:07 <robin_sz> so you cant do the breadcrumb thing
01:05:19 <robin_sz> they are a flat web ... with a named start page
01:05:56 <robin_sz> theres no hierarchical structure to them
01:06:05 <SteveStallings> so what is the magic for the banner, not style controls I guess
01:06:21 <robin_sz> editing the config file :)
01:06:36 <robin_sz> wanna see it? I can link to it 
01:06:44 <SteveStallings> that basic, I see
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03:21:23 <A-L-P-H-A> where is the wiki??
03:21:34 <A-L-P-H-A> url to the wiki?
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11:48:17 <A-L-P-H-A> morning folks.
11:48:23 <alex_joni> morning
11:48:42 <A-L-P-H-A> so what's up?
11:48:50 <alex_joni> nuttin
11:49:01 <alex_joni> I just got to work ;) (13:50)
11:49:20 <alex_joni> no work to do, but a friend asked me to install a doze on his machine
11:49:21 <A-L-P-H-A> didn't you say you work for your father's company? and it's also a saturday.
11:49:32 <alex_joni> I do work for my dad
11:49:40 <alex_joni> and I know it's a saturday :P
11:49:56 <A-L-P-H-A> hehe
11:50:02 <A-L-P-H-A> all days blur together for me.
11:50:08 <alex_joni> coo
11:50:12 <A-L-P-H-A> downling 4.14, again... it died the first time.
11:50:22 <A-L-P-H-A> maybe I should use getright, or something of the similar elk.
11:51:47 <A-L-P-H-A> is there an ftp dump of BDI 4.14?
11:51:48 <alex_joni> what link do you use?
11:51:55 <A-L-P-H-A> http://sherline.com/emc/
11:52:00 <alex_joni> try mine
11:52:06 <alex_joni> just checking if it's done already
11:52:23 <alex_joni> hmmm.. seems to be stalled too
11:53:51 <alex_joni> * alex_joni downloads again
11:54:11 <alex_joni> alpha, try my link to test the speed
11:54:22 <A-L-P-H-A> okie
11:54:38 <A-L-P-H-A> why don't we use bittorrent?
11:54:48 <A-L-P-H-A> what's the link? :)
11:54:59 <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/
11:55:13 <alex_joni> but you'll have to wait a bit for the download to finish
11:55:21 <alex_joni> for now you can test your download speed
11:55:36 <A-L-P-H-A> 20k
11:55:40 <alex_joni> :(
11:55:43 <alex_joni> slow
11:55:51 <alex_joni> I am getting 90k from sherline
11:56:57 <alex_joni> still 2 hours ETA
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11:59:34 <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, you're hogging all the bandwidth. :) hehe
12:01:05 <A-L-P-H-A> that's better... 85K
12:01:28 <alex_joni> the link is at college
12:01:42 <A-L-P-H-A> "screen" is your friend. :)
12:01:42 <alex_joni> and there's about 150 MBit of bandwith there ;)
12:08:11 <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, what's this win-emc.zip thing you have in there?
12:10:52 <alex_joni> it's a emc compiled for doze
12:15:31 <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... I wonder if I will go to NAMES this year...
12:18:56 <alex_joni> I would have wanted to go to FEST
12:19:32 <A-L-P-H-A> NAMES is in IL.  and that's like a 10 hr drive
12:19:54 <alex_joni> less than I would need to get there
12:19:54 <alex_joni> ;)
12:20:55 <A-L-P-H-A> heh.
12:21:01 <A-L-P-H-A> yeah... where's RO?
12:22:19 <A-L-P-H-A> eta: 105minutes. :(
12:22:36 <A-L-P-H-A> wait, tha'ts not right.
12:22:41 <A-L-P-H-A> yeah it is.
12:22:42 <A-L-P-H-A> nm
12:22:45 <alex_joni> I have 2hrs+ ETA
12:22:46 <alex_joni> :(
12:22:59 <A-L-P-H-A> 1h40m
12:23:10 <A-L-P-H-A> it'd go faster if I wasn't downloading some torrents.
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14:07:33 <anonimasu> hello
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14:29:38 <alex_joni> hey anon
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14:41:08 <rayh> danfalck: Found a good home for the little power supply you got me.
14:42:28 <rayh> It's working with emc to start the spindle, dust collector, and a fan to pressurize the lead screw housings on a router table.
14:42:43 <alex_joni> hey rayh
14:42:53 <rayh> Hi Alex.
14:43:02 <alex_joni> what's up?
14:43:18 <rayh> Weather was up to 40 degrees f. yesterday.
14:43:52 <alex_joni> hmmm.. that's ... above zero C?
14:43:56 <rayh> Found a perfect set of bobcat tracks around the garbage bin and shop.
14:44:39 <rayh> I could even see where she had looked up at the house and stepped back and forth wondering what to do.
14:44:45 <rayh> Must have heard us inside.
14:45:13 <alex_joni> * alex_joni shivers
14:45:45 <rayh> A few years ago I had a pair that I could sit on the porch and toss hot dogs to.
14:45:56 <alex_joni> cool
14:45:59 <rayh> Got within about 20 feet of them.
14:46:36 <rayh> Talk about male dominance.  He was.  Slap her around when she got more meat than he did.
14:46:45 <alex_joni> what would be better to mirror? Live or 2.18 ?
14:47:19 <rayh> I'd say live but then I'm biased.
14:47:36 <rayh> I tried yesterday to load live on a 2.2 Athalon and it was a no go.
14:47:46 <alex_joni> hmmm.. strange
14:50:01 <rayh> * rayh is on the phone for a bit.  Rmv dtuff.
15:00:53 <alex_joni> * alex_joni is away for a while
15:04:31 <rayh> I found that 2.18 was really limited in the drivers that I could use with new hardware.
15:05:02 <rayh> But there are many users that would be content with 2.xx and older equipment.
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15:35:21 <alex_joni> rayh: I plan to mirror them both, but for now I don't have the space neccessary
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16:18:11 <gezr> morning ya'll
16:19:11 <alex_joni> morning gezr
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16:42:13 <alex_joni> hey steve
16:43:19 <SteveStallings> hi alex, quiet today?
16:43:31 <alex_joni> pretty
16:43:42 <alex_joni> I downloaded 4.14, and put it on my mirror
16:44:38 <SteveStallings> OK, I see it, thanks
16:44:46 <alex_joni> no problem
16:44:55 <alex_joni> I'm figuring out a way to increase the disk space
16:45:00 <alex_joni> then I'll mirror them all
16:45:03 <SteveStallings> what is win-emc
16:45:12 <alex_joni> emc compiled for windoze
16:45:51 <SteveStallings> real, or just for play
16:47:06 <alex_joni> it's sim-only
16:47:08 <alex_joni> but it works
16:47:13 <alex_joni> tkemc & backplot
16:47:21 <SteveStallings> eeeek! java!
16:47:37 <alex_joni> nah... I put the java stuff in there, but you don't have to use it ;)
16:47:43 <alex_joni> it's NIST's stuff
16:47:50 <alex_joni> I compiled emcsvr too
16:48:34 <alex_joni> and inivar for the .ini stuff
16:49:02 <alex_joni> I did try to run freqmod on doze
16:49:08 <alex_joni> even got it to compile & run
16:49:20 <alex_joni> but I had problems with winxp output to parport
16:49:33 <alex_joni> so I gave it up (didn't have the nerve to dig further)
16:49:34 <SteveStallings> not a surprise
16:49:46 <SteveStallings> on parport that is
16:49:55 <alex_joni> win2k and xp need a speciall wrapper for direct io access
16:50:08 <alex_joni> normally it's forbidden
16:50:15 <alex_joni> and there's no ioctl() ;)
16:50:22 <SteveStallings> all too familiar
16:50:23 <alex_joni> or ioperm
16:51:23 <alex_joni> how familiar are you with .nml files?
16:51:36 <SteveStallings> not at all  8-)
16:51:42 <alex_joni> ok ;)
16:51:47 <SteveStallings> did you have to hack the source much?
16:52:00 <alex_joni> more the build environment
16:52:05 <alex_joni> dsp & dsw files
16:52:12 <SteveStallings> MS compilers?
16:52:17 <alex_joni> Makefiles for M$
16:52:23 <alex_joni> I used Visual Studio 6
16:52:30 <alex_joni> pretty old, but worked
16:53:21 <SteveStallings> interesting, that would allow all the hooks to extend with VB right?
16:53:31 <alex_joni> no idea :D
16:53:35 <alex_joni> I never used VB
16:53:44 <alex_joni> only once.. but I don't really know what I did then ;)
16:54:22 <SteveStallings> that is one of the things that allows the rampant development in Mach2, users can access variables and write macros
16:54:46 <alex_joni> I agree... but you need an infrastructure to use that
16:54:56 <alex_joni> and I think there are a lot of better solutions than VB
16:55:15 <alex_joni> the problem with emc is that it's not that flexible to add new stuff
16:55:19 <alex_joni> especially to NML
16:55:40 <SteveStallings> you think and I think, but Microsoft has brainwashed millions who are anxious to utilize their skills
16:56:02 <alex_joni> well... I must admit I use M$ stuff too.. at work at least
16:56:21 <SteveStallings> like it or not, a large user base does drive development forward
16:56:36 <alex_joni> I wonder about development with m$ stuff...
16:56:37 <alex_joni> ;)
16:56:45 <alex_joni> not to mention improvement
16:57:31 <alex_joni> anyways...
16:57:42 <alex_joni> linux has some strong points, and some week points
16:57:45 <SteveStallings> the bottleneck seems to be that NML must specifically be modified for each new requirement
16:58:14 <alex_joni> and not only in one place
16:58:37 <alex_joni> but.. then again, depends on what you need to add
16:58:46 <SteveStallings> whereas the M$ environment simply requires the variables be "exposed"?
16:58:50 <alex_joni> for a lot of stuff you don't need to add NML messages
16:59:27 <alex_joni> but that depends on what you want to accomplish
16:59:33 <SteveStallings> showing my lack of knowledge of modern high level languages  8-)
16:59:48 <alex_joni> one thing that would be usefull is to add classicladder to emc
17:00:06 <alex_joni> but here there are a few differential opinions
17:00:19 <SteveStallings> 8-)
17:00:31 <alex_joni> I'd like to see classicladder connected to hal (to modify hal-pins)
17:00:43 <alex_joni> paul thinks it would be best to connect it through NML to emc
17:00:54 <alex_joni> both have their pro and cons
17:01:27 <alex_joni> if you connect it through NML you can distribute it easily (e.g. classicladder running on a different machine)
17:01:41 <alex_joni> if you connect it through hal, you won't have to extend NML
17:02:38 <SteveStallings> could the current EMC2 environment support multiple HALs on multiple machines?
17:02:54 <SteveStallings> that would seem to bypass the issue
17:03:54 <alex_joni> that would be what I thought too
17:04:08 <alex_joni> have classicladder connected to IO stuff through HAL on one machine
17:04:17 <alex_joni> and connect to emc through NML on another machine
17:04:30 <alex_joni> but I don't know if this is the best thing
17:04:38 <alex_joni> it breaks IO into pieces
17:04:46 <alex_joni> stepping on one machine
17:04:51 <alex_joni> limits on another
17:04:59 <alex_joni> I think we need to discuss this more
17:05:11 <alex_joni> maybe tomorrow, when more folks are around
17:05:25 <alex_joni> anyways... gotta head home now
17:05:33 <SteveStallings> well that should happen when all the principal players are available, later
17:05:46 <alex_joni> yes
17:05:48 <alex_joni> bye
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19:03:32 <slomo> anybody home ?
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19:35:42 <A-L-P-H-A> Anyone else ever get rayh's email labelled as spam by spam assasin?  he's on a bad server or something.
19:37:23 <cradek> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=4.5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,
19:37:23 <cradek>         RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY,RCVD_IN_SORBS_MISC autolearn=no version=3.0.1
19:37:38 <cradek> so, yes, but my autowhitelist and bayes more than compensate for it
19:37:52 <cradek> if you are not using bayes and autowhitelist, you should.
19:40:26 <slomo> had any feed back inre 4.14 problems ?
19:40:37 <cradek> haven't heard anything about it
19:42:05 <A-L-P-H-A> I don't run my server, and I don't know procmail, or how to setup the whitelist for freebsd.
19:42:15 <A-L-P-H-A> my server = my mail server
19:42:19 <slomo> just installed to this one, 800 mghz Mem:  659152896 lots of lock-ups and freezing of the system
19:42:44 <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: oh if your ISP runs SA at the MTA you're probably out of luck with bayes and AWL.
19:43:49 <cradek> slomo: ugh.
19:44:38 <slomo> yea, totally unuseable here
19:44:51 <cradek> is the machien good (with another distribution)?
19:44:53 <cradek> machine
19:45:00 <cradek> does it freeze only when running emc?
19:45:09 <slomo> yea, 4.08 ran excellant
19:45:59 <slomo> no, system is very sluggish, tried running time ./emc.run, system total lock up
19:46:25 <cradek> so it is sluggish even when emc is not running?
19:46:41 <slomo> seems like there was lots of modules that were not unloaded on start up
19:46:56 <slomo> there was an error, they were all busy
19:47:22 <slomo> yes, like the refresh rate was turned waaaay down
19:47:40 <cradek> I bet paul will be around for the meeting tomorrow
19:48:30 <slomo> must be something with all the modules not unloading, two screen fulls doing lsmod
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19:51:29 <A-L-P-H-A> is paul_c still in seattle?
20:21:32 <gezr> just got back from getting myself 25lbs of beads :)
20:21:59 <gezr> how are you guys doing today?
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21:21:11 <slomo> dam power outages !
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21:40:01 <alex_joni> greetings
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23:36:34 <asdfqwega> Woo!  New BDI is good!
23:37:18 <asdfqwega> That being said, I'd like a little diagnostic help to get Axis running
23:38:18 <asdfqwega> tkemc works, but axis pauses at one point, and does not come up until I hit Ctl-C
23:42:06 <slomo> are using 4.14 ?
23:42:08 <asdfqwega> Ctl-c interrupts something with tkinter
23:43:09 <asdfqwega> Axis then comes up, but is unresponsive to F1/F2
23:43:09 <asdfqwega> Yes
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23:44:18 <slomo> asdfqwega: any problems with the install ?
23:45:17 <asdfqwega> I'm glancing over the axis script now, and first thing it deals with is tkinter (and some bug workarounds)
23:46:11 <asdfqwega> No
23:46:49 <asdfqwega> Axis displays properly (3D, can switch views) - it is not a dead window
23:47:59 <slomo> i had problems installing, to the point that the system was not useable
23:48:01 <asdfqwega> Just can't get out of estop
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23:48:50 <cradek> can you click the estop icon?
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23:50:51 <asdfqwega> I can click it, but nothing happens - but things seem to get a little slow for a moment
23:51:12 <cradek> I wonder if paul tested it.
23:51:36 <asdfqwega> Let me fire it up again - I've got tkemc at the moment
23:51:37 <slomo> do an lsmod and see how many modules are loaded
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23:58:04 <asdfclone> inivar = plat/nonrealtime/bin/inivar
23:58:12 <asdfclone> INIFILE = generic.ini
23:58:12 <asdfclone> RS274NGC_PARAMFILE = generic.var
23:58:12 <asdfclone> starting emc...
23:58:12 <asdfclone> starting EMC MOTION PROGRAM -- freqmod...
23:58:12 <asdfclone> IO_BASE_ADDRESS 0xc000
23:58:13 <asdfclone> modprobe freqmod  PERIOD=24000 IO_BASE_ADDRESS=0xc000 SHMEM_KEY=100
23:58:15 <asdfclone> done
23:58:17 <asdfclone> starting EMC IO PROGRAM --  bridgeportio...done
23:58:19 <asdfclone> starting EMC TASK PROGRAM -- bridgeporttask...done
23:58:21 <asdfclone> emcTaskInit: adding user-defined function programs/M101
23:58:23 <asdfclone> running EMC DISPLAY PROGRAM -- axis...
23:58:44 <asdfclone> this is where it sits