00:00:02 2k a month .. 00:00:05 it seems so 00:00:41 I have to get some pencil and paper and figure this out 00:00:41 you need to be careful you dont say 108 when 40 of them were sanded the day before and paitned today 00:00:49 or a psread sheet :) 00:00:54 I was always r&d 00:01:03 I like production 00:01:18 I like organising production .. 00:01:24 but not doing it! 00:01:25 but I may be kidding myself or ignoring things here 00:01:53 well..we have the counts in the boxes 00:02:00 it's getting done 00:02:07 but ... if you do 100 a day, thats enough, right? 00:02:12 but should be MUCH more 00:02:18 les_away: ofcourse buying lots makes it cheaper.. but well I might need 5 kg in total.. 00:02:36 the customer will buy EVERYTHING we make 00:02:46 sounds like the cnc could feed two sanders 00:02:48 of all kinds of alu, both blocks, and shafts stuff.. 00:02:53 so I guess it's not enough 00:03:01 les has quit 00:03:04 yes cnc could feed 2 00:03:18 les_away: how much do you have to watch over the cnc? 00:03:24 and, batched, you could paint 200 in an hour if you had to 00:03:33 ANON: I but in 100 kg or so 00:03:54 Robin: yeah I could do that many 00:03:58 les_away: took breakage and stuff? 00:04:08 * robin_sz wonders if you could make up enough bicycle chain conveyor to hold 200 00:04:18 tool brakage? 00:04:20 hmm 00:04:28 breakage 00:04:32 then it would be worth automating the paint ... on they go as you do them, out they pop 00:04:33 breakage.. 00:04:34 yeah 00:04:35 :) 00:04:42 6 hours later 00:05:01 oh...I am getting about 10 hrs/tool 00:05:04 max 00:05:21 that's not bad 00:05:30 :) 00:05:39 $50 to buy 00:05:46 $12 to sharpen 00:05:50 I was mostly curious if you have to watch the machine work or if you can just leave it running 00:05:54 no problem there 00:06:13 anon: very good question 00:06:31 I monitor the machine pretty closely 00:06:34 the other thing might be to 'palletise' the blanks on MDF pallets, speed up the change over 00:06:36 mostly for your own sake, I remember you saying you were watching it for 2 hours.. 00:06:42 I wonder If I should 00:07:06 Robin: good idea 00:08:39 anon: It is tense watching it a lot...but you still get sleepy after a while 00:08:45 strange 00:08:53 yeah 00:08:57 I know the feel of it 00:08:57 I used to watchthe laser, 00:09:06 now I just hit go and leave it. 00:09:19 I've been watching my machine roughing for a hour. 00:09:26 stupid turbocnc 00:09:33 just waiting for an alpha partice to hit a memory cell anf 500 kg of iron to go wild 00:09:42 so I watch 00:09:47 but fall asleep 00:09:58 hm hard stops? 00:10:13 bet the limit switches grab it before you do! 00:10:25 err that was what I thought about 00:10:29 have linmit switch and hydroulic shocks on all axes 00:10:42 blah 00:10:51 I so want your machine les :) 00:10:52 well then, off to the paint booth with ya! 00:11:07 hows the spindle search going? 00:11:29 switching to computer glasses...I am not a touch typist 00:11:46 no joy on spindles so far 00:12:36 Ideal would be a 5 hp colombo I think 00:12:41 night guys it's getting way past bedtime :) 00:12:50 night anon 00:13:04 hope you get some good ideas :) 00:13:20 ha... me too... thanks 00:14:09 I have to go out to the shop and epoxy some reinforcing to the spoilboard 00:14:20 vwtdi01 has joined #emc 00:14:24 no rest for the wicked 00:14:30 some hold down bolts puuled through 00:14:35 pulled 00:14:41 nasty 00:14:48 not using toggle clamps? 00:14:51 mdf is just very thick Kraft paper 00:15:08 no...I made a clamshell thing 00:15:20 right 00:15:26 works good...but tightened the bolts too much 00:15:35 tore right through 00:16:12 putting some steel angle iron reinforcement on 00:16:17 epoxied 00:16:25 I used to mount the blank on an MDF pallet, and use plain ol pozi screws from the back 00:16:33 must glue tonight 00:16:46 toggle clamps held the MD pallet agaisnt astop 00:16:51 for epoxy to be cured 6 am tommorow 00:16:57 * robin_sz ndos 00:17:02 toggle clamps=good 00:17:08 quick! 00:17:24 and repeatable 00:17:30 also need to glue poy backed sandpaper to the board 00:17:46 then I would not have to clamp so hard 00:17:52 hey :) 00:18:01 Have not measured forces 00:18:15 but it's pretty big when the tool gets dull 00:18:25 100 lb? 00:18:44 with MDF pallets you could vacuum clamp, with some sort of register pin 00:19:05 right...good idea...must think about that 00:19:12 vwtdi01 has quit 00:19:39 you could prep a whole bunch, instead of just watching :) 00:19:49 we are talking a lot of wood here...I think we have gane through 500 kg of cherry this month so far 00:20:26 doesnt sound a lot to be honest ... 00:20:40 no it isn't really 00:20:54 ive seen big routers at carcas plants with multi-tonne stacks of MDF 00:20:58 on auto-loaders 00:21:12 but seems big when before the machine was idle most of the time 00:21:22 yeah 00:21:28 paying its way now though 00:21:34 I think 00:21:40 hope so" 00:21:48 or you are working for peanuts :) 00:22:01 and thats a monkeys job :) 00:22:09 * paul_c disappears for tea. 00:22:13 3 min= $4 is not great but ok 00:22:23 that is just value added 00:22:23 see you all tomorrow. 00:22:29 sell for 6 00:22:32 paul_c has left #emc 00:22:34 night paul 00:22:48 argh he's too fast for me 00:24:18 My goal coming down here wasd to perhaps make half a corporate salary working half the time 00:24:29 and play the rest 00:24:34 so what you really need to know is how much does it contribut to fixed costs 00:24:50 yeah 00:25:03 good part is: 00:25:13 I don't pay for the cherry 00:25:23 It's supplied 00:26:17 I am getting enough scraps to make an awful lot of cherry glued up butcher block too 00:27:24 This whole deal is not as huge money maker...just ok 00:27:54 combine that with doing a bit of engineering and I'm fine 00:28:22 I'm just wanting to improve the productivity because I am working too much 00:28:27 yeah 00:28:51 money is good, but work sucks :) 00:28:53 I should not be working at all...just watching haha 00:29:02 yip 00:29:41 I have an arts & crafts remodel and a two hole golf cours to do... 00:30:17 and a bridgeport retrofit...which one better categorise as a hobby 00:30:21 haha 00:30:59 like when I rescrape machine ways... 00:31:30 I must tell myself " this is not work, but recreation" 00:31:41 only way to justify it 00:33:52 well had better go out and epoxy that spoilboard so it will be ready tommorrow 00:34:20 laters robin 00:41:33 febisfebi has quit 00:53:43 picnet has quit 00:53:43 Xuria has quit 01:00:14 robin_sz has quit 01:19:20 SWPadnos has joined #emc 01:20:02 hello? 01:20:33 SWPadnos has quit 02:28:02 picnet has joined #emc 02:41:43 Xuria has joined #EMC 02:49:04 whew, almost finished making my new bead blasting cabinet :) 03:05:22 picnet has quit 03:05:22 Xuria has quit 04:14:10 pemmet has joined #emc 04:17:44 so much fun... I drill and tap a 6-32 hole... and order 6-40 set screws. SMART! :) 04:17:50 so smart. 04:17:51 :) 04:17:52 heh. 04:18:26 gezr... :) fun! Rivets or welds or bolts? [I'd prefer rivets and then weld it.] 04:18:34 or tac weld it in place first. :) 04:28:46 picnet has joined #emc 04:49:23 Xuria has joined #EMC 05:10:26 picnet has quit 05:10:26 Xuria has quit 06:29:25 picnet has joined #emc 06:46:44 vasquez has joined #emc 06:49:36 Xuria has joined #EMC 07:09:31 picnet has quit 07:09:31 Xuria has quit 07:10:57 [Global Notice] Good morning, all. The freenode network will be experiencing a significant late-scheduled outage later this morning. 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For information, please consult http://freenode.net/news.shtml .... thanks in advance for your patience, and thank you for using freenode! 13:17:11 Xuria has quit 13:23:05 picnet has quit 13:37:04 robin_sz has joined #emc 14:15:25 hello 14:27:52 hi alex_joni, what's new? 14:29:34 been painting today ;) 14:30:22 I think I need to install a 2.6 system 14:30:36 a lot of people are complaining about 2.6 compile failures.. :( 14:44:26 picnet has joined #emc 14:56:06 * alex_joni gone home 14:56:09 alex_joni has quit 15:01:52 Xuria has joined #EMC 15:04:59 picnet has quit 15:24:45 paul_c has joined #emc 15:24:46 Xuria has quit 15:42:09 slomo has joined #emc 16:02:34 SteveStallings has joined #emc 16:07:05 Morning Steve 16:07:20 morning Paul 16:17:05 cmart has joined #emc 16:17:43 cmart has left #emc 16:26:54 * paul_c checks emails... 16:37:31 darn - I wish I could send replies to the list at the mo. 16:39:07 surely you have some sort of web to e-mail bridge available to you.... 16:41:46 yes, but it's not nice to use. 16:45:07 picnet has joined #emc 16:52:57 paul_c: if you can remember your login on quacky, you should find http://www.quacky.co.uk/sqwebmail works as a web based email client, you can send with any id you choose 16:59:16 bobh has joined #emc 17:00:13 bobh is now known as rayh 17:01:21 Morning Ray. 17:03:00 Hi Paul 17:03:09 Did 4.10 install. 17:03:37 yes - CD in the post. 17:03:59 Fantastic. 17:04:20 Cause this knoppix is just about dead. 17:04:46 And I am ready to completely quit my own kernel stuff. 17:05:11 Xuria has joined #EMC 17:05:15 Have you got a plan for getting the 2.6 versions of emc stuff into sf. 17:05:55 some of it is there, juust need to clean up a few more files and commit the remainder 17:06:18 A tag? 17:08:31 will probably tag with the deb version number 17:10:03 again I request that you tag whatever is in each BDI release with that BDI's number. 17:10:26 can use multiple tags. 17:10:31 otherwise I can't help anyone who is using BDI. 17:13:27 picnet has quit 17:14:04 rayh: Did you have any docs you wanted adding to this CD ? 17:15:57 Linux cookbook and apt howto. 17:18:01 I'll second the apt howto especially 17:20:35 If you want them included, now's the time to send them over. 17:24:32 What do you think of the idea of splitting the kernel modules in to a seperate package ? 17:25:36 Does that get us back near rcslib and emc or is this different. 17:26:55 freqmod, smdromod, etc in one package, and all the plat/nonrealtime stuff in another (along with the configs & docs) 17:28:09 Will that get us around the issue I had with the reinstall? 17:28:37 It would help 17:29:17 vasquez has quit 17:40:42 there seems to be a debian tradition of splitting an app into 17:40:42 Xuria has quit 17:40:50 foobar and foobar-modules 17:41:27 foobar-modules being the kernel modules, obviously 17:43:16 how about a emc pseudo-package that includes the emc-application and emc-modules, and depends on kernel-image-rtai_whatvere 17:44:08 then any debian user can just add a source to his/her /etc/apt/sources and apt-get install emc 17:44:49 just choose whther you want the stable or bleeding-edge emc by changing the source line 17:45:16 Would there ever be a time that one would want one half of the whole without the other? 17:45:23 no 17:45:37 oh 17:45:39 without 17:45:42 yes possobly 17:45:52 if you just wanted the sim stuff 17:46:12 I guess only emc-modules should depend on the kernel-image-rtai 17:46:23 emc-app neednt I guess 17:46:53 From past experience I'm skeptical. 17:47:13 Although one might upgrade the interpreter or gui and use the same motion modules. 17:48:09 I see the stable and bleeding edge being .debs that anyone who can type a command can install 17:48:20 if you want to mix and match, you'll need the source 17:48:49 but again, it should be the debian source package 17:49:13 apt-get source emc-application 17:49:47 paul_c: would you also split the source into two packages? 17:51:47 no - Single source 17:52:09 So it would need to build and replace both of the bin packages? 17:52:21 there could be two make commands 17:52:29 make install_app 17:52:34 make install_modules 17:52:34 Right. 17:52:40 nope 17:52:51 kpkg-buildpackage 17:53:05 then use dpkg to install. 17:53:05 kpkg? whatthat? 17:53:17 dpkg-buildpackage 17:53:31 right, 17:53:44 sounds sane 17:54:00 The only remaining bothersome detail is throwing out a good working EMC in order to test another. 17:54:28 not really a problem is it? as you can just apt-get it back? 17:54:42 As if... 17:54:54 presumably thats where it cam from 17:54:56 you can use dpkg to install an older version 17:56:15 one advantage of splitting the RT modules - You can have multiple kernels that should all be able to run EMC 17:56:44 sounds sane 17:57:11 back in a bit - gotta go and do some testing. 17:57:12 I've not had any luck with dpkg backing up. With knoppix here is is a disaster. 17:58:44 'course that's the bleeding edge version rather than testing. 18:22:25 stevestallings2 has joined #emc 18:27:22 rayh: ive not had any luck with the knoppix stuff, my boxes dislike the installer 18:27:54 I'll look at splitting up the package when I do a 2.6.10 build - Use that version to correct a number of other issues at the same time. 18:28:14 rayh: I get some error about 'broken or incompattible bios' 18:28:47 rayh: I get a similar one with debian sarge, but I can get around that with floppies 18:37:14 bobh has joined #emc 18:38:17 bobh has quit 18:39:57 SteveStallings has quit 18:42:09 rayh_ has joined #emc 18:42:42 rayh has quit 18:43:24 rayh_ is now known as rayh 18:45:49 picnet has joined #emc 18:48:40 * robin_sz wonders if the realtime features of 2.6.10 will be useful 18:49:28 not for hard realtime control. 18:50:18 possibly not for stepper based stuff 18:50:35 makes me wonder about servo loops though 18:50:55 esp. with the availablity of high resolution realtime timers 19:05:15 robin_sz: I think the MatPLC folk are using the stock 2.6 in a series of experiments. 19:07:07 rayh: ive seen a couple of projects switch from other RT solutions to the 2.6 native timers 19:07:50 picnet has quit 19:07:58 one was using quite a novel idea, theres a hardware timer in the USB_UHCI stuff you can genenrate predicatabel interrupts with 19:08:53 I saw something about that. 19:10:03 Was thinking of a little hardware interface that would store a few loops of the motion stuff. 19:10:33 enough to cover one usb loop. 19:12:37 acemi has joined #emc 19:29:27 Xuria has joined #EMC 19:35:36 A-L-P-H-A has quit 19:35:48 A-L-P-H-A has joined #emc 19:46:58 rayh has quit 19:46:59 Xuria has quit 20:02:05 robin_sz has quit 20:02:43 robin_sz has joined #emc 20:04:47 numist has joined #emc 20:04:51 numist has left #emc 20:05:03 numist has joined #emc 20:05:05 sorry 20:05:15 have to check modes for a user 20:05:36 sorry bout the interruption 20:05:40 numist has left #emc 20:06:05 LoRez has joined #emc 20:06:09 LoRez has left #emc 20:07:01 A-L-P-H-A has left #emc 20:07:04 A-L-P-H-A has joined #emc 20:09:22 asdfqwega has joined #emc 20:13:15 * asdfqwega prods paul_c 20:14:08 My Knoppix is dead (and broken), long live the Debian 20:15:35 mirc is having such issues. :( 20:16:08 paul, I got the impression from some things on here and your email on emc-users, that the .deb builds have problems? 20:17:22 I was having problems with homing in emc-0.0.1-11-i386.deb, and I really hope it wasn't just me :P 20:19:30 Namely, hardware was OK, IO_Show said signals were good, but homing wasn't getting them. 20:20:33 I had some other problems, but they were probably Knoppix or hardware related - I'll find out when I test the old motherboard 20:46:28 picnet has joined #emc 20:47:09 asdfqwega: emc-0.0.1-11 has a bug that homing triggers. 20:47:28 it is fixed in 0.0.1-14 20:49:43 * paul_c sneaks off for lunch. 20:50:14 Cool. 20:50:55 I'll bre-...er, try it out right away ;) 20:55:23 Hm...I'm getting about 1% dropped packets on the wireless link... 20:55:44 I guess it's so cold, they're freezing in mid-air and falling on the ground :) 20:59:45 asdfqwega has quit 21:01:25 acemi has quit 21:03:56 picnet has quit 21:04:22 stevestallings2 has quit 21:16:07 robin_z has joined #emc 21:24:39 robin_sz has quit 21:24:46