00:31:21 paul_c has joined #emc 00:45:20 SteveStallings has joined #emc 00:48:10 Yo Steve 00:48:26 Hi Paul 00:49:15 How's the weather over your way ? 00:50:39 A little cold for us. Expecting 10 degrees F again tonight. 00:52:54 * paul_c considers having a swim in the sea this evening.... 00:57:23 Which sea? 00:57:46 Pacific. 01:02:49 picnet has quit 01:13:29 pemmet has quit 01:28:25 paul_c has left #emc 01:28:50 SteveStallings has quit 02:18:02 if its not one thing its another 02:18:10 im going in for a full rebuild 02:31:55 picnet has joined #emc 02:32:45 jmkasunich has joined #emc 02:57:05 picnet has quit 02:57:05 CIA-9 has quit 02:57:34 gezr, about that fuse thing... how much should I give? if the thing is motor and reheostat are rated for 10amps... should I go for a 10amp or what rating? 02:58:25 pemmet has joined #emc 03:00:23 picnet has joined #emc 03:00:23 CIA-9 has joined #emc 03:00:36 bobh has joined #emc 03:01:27 CIA-temp508 has joined #emc 03:03:13 CIA-9 has quit 03:12:41 picnet has quit 03:22:11 bobh has quit 04:04:23 jmkasunich has quit 04:32:30 picnet has joined #emc 07:41:47 alex_joni has joined #emc 07:59:24 picnet has quit 08:33:09 picnet has joined #emc 08:55:23 hello 08:55:24 :) 08:56:24 that nice little package broke my box.. 09:02:31 backups? 09:02:34 anonimasu? 09:02:49 nope.. 09:02:54 critical? 09:02:58 mission critical? 09:03:00 it autoinstalled and overwrote my grub.. 09:03:03 nah 09:03:21 'ight, so not too bad then. bad. but not BAD bad. 09:03:22 reinstalled it this morning before I went to work.. 09:03:30 I haven't slept yet... it's 4am. 09:03:31 yeah.. 09:03:34 been programming. :( 09:03:43 I suggest somone removes that package off the web.. 09:03:43 :) 09:03:55 it booted but the screeen remained black.. 09:03:56 RTAI package? 09:04:00 same as when I installed a older rtai.. 09:04:22 can't help... I use the BDI when need be. :) 09:04:29 that was the BDI package.. 09:04:30 :) 09:04:46 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bdi-emc/debian/kernel-image-2.4.27-adeos_bdi.100_i386.deb 09:05:50 I don't even know what adeos is. 09:07:09 :) Adaptive Domain Environment for Operating Systems 09:07:18 or somthing like that 09:07:24 and it does? 09:09:49 provide stuff for sharing hardware rescources.. 09:10:02 To this end, Adeos enables multiple prioritized domains to exist simultaneously on the same hardware. For instance, we have successfully inserted the Adeos nanokernel beneath the Linux kernel, opening a full range of new possibilities, notably in the fields of SMP clustering, patchless kernel debugging and real-time systems for GNU/Linux. 09:10:08 off the page 09:12:34 I'm drowning. 09:12:38 picnet has quit 09:12:50 oh well... I'm gonna lay down... and try to sleep. 09:13:03 ok 09:13:03 I'll be back around noon, probably. EST. 09:13:07 goodnight 09:13:11 later 09:13:14 I'll be working until later :) 10:44:58 picnet has joined #emc 11:34:11 * alex_joni is back 11:51:59 picnet has quit 12:03:31 hey alex 12:03:32 :) 12:03:54 hey anon 12:03:58 what's up? 12:04:04 working 12:04:09 coo 12:04:13 that package with the kernel broke my install.. 12:04:18 overwrote my GRUB.. 12:04:28 ehh.. that's fixable 12:04:33 nope.. 12:04:40 you only need to boot a rescue disk 12:04:41 when the kernel booted it was all black.. 12:04:45 and reinstall GRUB 12:04:56 I reinstalled it all it was quicker.. 12:06:04 *yawns* 12:06:19 I don't like reinstall ;) 12:06:30 me neither.. 12:06:38 I would have fixed it 12:06:54 I had 10 minutes to start a install this morning.. 12:06:54 it probably crashed because you had a different partition set-up 12:07:09 it didnt crash.. 12:07:12 it didnt boot :p 12:07:26 same thing 12:07:26 it woulsnt even init the screen when I booted the kernel.. 12:07:29 that early in the boot 12:07:41 did you get the grub prompt? 12:07:47 it didnt show it.. 12:07:53 strange 12:07:59 the package ate my grub config.. 12:08:01 litterally.. 12:08:02 maybe grub didn't get written 12:08:05 :P 12:08:05 and all my images.. 12:08:27 that's why for such system-deep stuff I like to do it manually 12:08:32 compile kernel / rtai 12:08:32 yeah I do too.. 12:08:43 but I got told to try the package.. 12:08:44 heh 12:08:49 but you need to make sure you do it the proper way 12:08:55 I know.. 12:09:01 you can always test stuf... 12:09:02 might not work though :D 12:09:10 yeah 12:09:13 I'll recompile it today 12:09:22 and get somone to tell me what version of adeos to use.. 12:09:25 that seems to be the problem 12:09:27 and rati.. 12:09:34 the 3.0p3 has some changes.. 12:09:39 r3 12:09:41 that breaks apps.. 12:09:43 err yeah 12:09:48 I have r3 which works 12:09:58 I also have a 24.1.13 which works 12:10:08 hm, did you modify it or if it enough to compile it with the backwards compability thing set? 12:10:13 both with 2.4.21 12:10:29 I just followed the standard ./configure, make, make install 12:10:39 thats strange :) 12:10:48 not really ;) 12:10:48 :D 12:10:53 it didnt seem like adeos would load correctly either.. 12:11:06 maybe you messed up the config of the kernel 12:11:45 well, it's not like that should break adeos.. :) 12:11:49 I loaded the standard kernel-config 12:11:52 well it does 12:12:07 yeah but not totally.. 12:12:39 when I tried to load the module when I had it as a module it said that the module werent compatible with my kernel.. 12:12:43 :) 12:12:46 yup 12:13:59 I love documentation.. 12:14:01 :) 12:15:42 alex_joni_ has joined #emc 12:15:51 darn... my connection broke 12:15:58 now.. where were we? 12:15:59 ahh.. right 12:16:09 I remember using the rthal5 patch for 24.1.13 12:16:18 for 3.0r4 there is no rthal5 any more 12:16:22 so you'll use adeos 12:16:44 3.x I mean (3.0, 3.0r1..3.0r4, 3.1) 12:16:52 yeah :) 12:17:27 ok.. now there is an option in the kernel 12:17:36 that you need to unset or rtai won't work 12:17:50 it has smthg to do with module_version 12:17:55 yeah 12:18:05 set kernel_module_version_loader 12:18:11 you need to unset it (if I remember it correctly) 12:18:15 or somthing similiar under modules.. 12:18:59 CONFIG_MODVERSIONS 12:19:02 needs to be unset 12:19:09 yeah that's it.. 12:19:26 it says that it's wrong when you try and build rtai 12:21:05 http://www.captain.at/programming/rtai/kernel-2.4.php 12:22:36 this is what I'd use 12:23:35 hm didnt find that :D 12:23:36 thanks 12:23:54 I think that's what I used the last time :D 12:24:09 I didnt apply that hal patch.. 12:24:12 I couldn 12:24:19 couldnt find anything about somthing like it anywhere.. 12:24:39 ahh.. let me check 12:25:33 ok 12:26:10 I see the following in /rtai3.0r4/rtai-core/arch/i386/patches/ 12:26:52 hal12-2.4.20 (up to 25) and legacy-2.4.19 (up to 25) 12:27:23 and what kernel did you run? 12:27:26 2.4.27 12:27:35 ? 12:27:36 2.4.21 12:27:39 ok 12:27:48 I downloaded the 2.4.21 sources from kernel.org 12:28:05 yep.. 12:28:12 first I tried with the SuSE-kernel sources (but I couldn't patch those) 12:28:41 because SuSE modified a lot in the sources ;) 12:29:10 yeah 12:29:12 :) 12:36:49 hm.. 12:37:09 what? 12:38:27 alex_joni has quit 12:38:56 nothing.. 12:39:12 let see if this works 12:39:13 alex_joni_ is now known as alex_joni 12:40:50 hm.. I guess I need to install ncurses.. 12:41:04 for menuconfig? 12:41:17 yeah 12:41:30 I guess you should :D 12:41:53 but debian upgrades 241 packages that it depends on 12:41:54 :) 12:42:02 or rather that depends on it.. I think 12:43:04 lol 12:43:04 that's stupid 12:43:04 still stupid :D 12:43:04 if they depend on it.. then ncurses should have been installed 12:43:38 yeah.. 12:43:42 even more stupid 12:43:44 :) 12:43:47 lol 12:43:49 xfonts100dpi 12:43:49 heh 12:43:57 how does that depend on ncurses.. 12:44:09 or well, they might just upgrade that too because they think it suits.. 12:45:41 picnet has joined #emc 12:45:44 asdfqwega has joined #emc 12:58:41 darn wireless 12:58:41 I still got around 200 kB transfer rate 12:58:55 but also 50% packet loss 13:00:08 can't browse with 50% loss ... 13:02:06 :/ 13:02:43 yeah... :( 13:07:13 picnet has quit 13:07:39 module freqmod not found? I'm looking at it right now! 13:08:18 where is it? 13:08:18 does the script use insmod or modprobe? 13:08:18 the .run script 13:08:27 try running -v, and see what it does 13:08:32 emc1 or emc2? 13:09:44 paul's emc-0.0.1-11.deb 13:10:05 and generic.run uses modprobe 13:10:16 can you look at emc.run ? 13:10:32 And look for what? 13:10:38 there's not much there 13:11:01 generic.run is what you're using? 13:11:06 try modprobe manually .. see if it works 13:11:14 modprobe can't find it 13:11:21 how about insmod? 13:12:07 It's located in /lib/modules/2.6.9-adeos/extra 13:12:14 no go with insmod 13:12:43 Hm, I had it (mostly) working with the last computer 13:13:09 try running depmod 13:13:41 I've done that - I had to make an initrd.img 13:16:00 vasquez has joined #emc 13:32:15 What's perplexing is that freqmod is listed in the modules.dep file 13:42:50 very strange 13:48:24 Well, that's enough trying to use Knoppix...I'm just to going to do a debian netinst 13:48:54 Knoppix is interesting, but some things about it are kinda hinky 13:49:02 :) 13:49:14 still.. the module loading should work 13:49:26 did you try using insmod with the module+path? 13:49:41 No I hadn't 13:49:43 insmod /lib/modules/2.6.9-adeos/extra/freqmod.o 13:49:58 should work, even if the module doesn't get found normally 13:50:34 I wonder what accidentally got tromped on this time, to make that not work 13:50:53 could be a env-variable 13:51:05 I remeber there is one insmod uses for locating modules 13:51:20 if there is none defined it works 13:51:27 if you define one it looks only in that dir 13:51:33 Heh...it's kinda hard to do an autopsy when I'm in the process of ressurecting the body :P 13:51:34 not into the default /lib/modules/... 13:51:50 I agree 13:52:24 I'll pay attention to that next time 13:52:32 ;) 13:52:41 there are a bazillion things you need to pay attention to... 13:53:12 most of them you only learn abou twhen you break something :D 13:53:33 Hey, I like breaking things 13:53:59 me too.. I don't like having to read two days to fix a minor thing... 13:54:32 "Experience is the BEST teacher. That's why it shows up in a puff of smoke, a flash of light, and fireworks...and a BILL to pay afterwards." 13:55:01 lol 13:55:37 Perhaps a parody of a certain pop song here in the US - "Who let the smoke out?" 13:55:49 yeah... 13:56:09 sounds like Al Yankovich 13:56:55 Unfortunately, only electricians/electronics hobbyists would get it 13:59:17 * asdfqwega put Weird Al in the player 13:59:52 yeah... 13:59:57 you knwo amish paradise? 14:00:04 s/knwo/know/ ? 14:00:36 yeah :) 14:00:54 You know 'Alberquerque'? 14:01:05 don't think so... 14:02:19 It's a long song, a long story, and he sums up at the end "Well, the whole point I was trying to make - I HATE SAUERKRAUT!" 14:02:34 I love sauerkraut :P 14:03:32 Hm...I wonder how many CD's of Debain Sarge would make a complete install 14:04:00 I think 16... 14:04:06 paul downloaded them all.. 14:05:05 It takes me about 4 days to get a single .iso 14:05:35 lol 14:06:19 I've got 3 of Sarge 14:06:28 ;) 14:07:50 I get so tired of futzing with slow downloads, I start thinking of wardriving for some bandwidth 14:08:16 hehehe 14:08:29 yeah.. I think I got my cantenna lying around somewhere 14:09:07 I'm just waiting for my 4' cable to show up 14:09:15 4' ? 14:10:13 reverse SMA to N-male pigtail? 14:10:23 that I know ;) 14:10:42 I am having a hard time making a reverse MMCX to SMA reverse pigtail 14:11:11 I'm not familiar with MMCX 14:11:19 it's small ;) 14:11:21 very small 14:11:42 the kind on those compact-PCI cards? 14:12:25 I have a cardbus adapter (SMC EliteConnect 2502W) 14:12:36 it's a little bigger than on those compact-PCI 14:12:40 (mini-PCI) 14:13:41 I've seen those. They're just too small and too delicate to survive around here 14:13:51 I know... 14:14:01 but it is wonderfull for wardriving 14:14:12 use a 24 dBi antenna on your laptop ;) 14:14:20 with 200 mW power from the SMC 14:14:41 Oh, you got one of the high-power cards 14:14:56 yup.. it was around 60$ 14:15:01 worth every penny 14:15:09 That's not wardriving, that's shooting things with a microwave deathray 14:15:14 lol 14:15:19 200mW is not deadly 14:15:21 :D 14:15:26 you know arecibo? 14:15:37 no 14:15:52 it's a big telescope (somewhere in south america) 14:15:59 it's actually a radio-telescope 14:16:12 they use some GW radio power output 14:16:35 on a big antenna (300 m or more, don't remember exactly) 18:43:21 logger_aj has joined #emc 18:43:21 topic is: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum | Regular Developer's meetings every Sunday between 14:00 & 18:00 GMT 18:43:21 Users on #emc: logger_aj alex_joni les CIA-temp508 pemmet febisfebi websys gezr @ChanServ ccjoe A-L-P-H-A cradek danfalck anonimasu learath @pc_op jepler zwisk 18:44:36 picnet has joined #emc 18:44:41 an0n: any luck? 19:00:03 anybody around? 19:08:35 picnet has quit 19:24:52 nope. 19:25:22 ;) 19:35:13 seems like it... 19:44:35 hello 19:44:37 alex_joni: YES! 19:44:47 works? 19:44:50 :] 19:44:53 I dont know about emc yet.. 19:45:01 rtai works? 19:45:03 but I can run the latency rtai thingie.. 19:45:05 that's a start 19:45:21 so I guess I just need tklib and some other things.. 19:45:58 coo 19:47:27 ;) 19:47:28 so.. you're pretty close ;) 19:47:36 just need to reboot and add mouse support so I can boot X 19:47:38 darn.. my eyes hurt 19:47:46 why? 19:47:50 welding? 19:47:54 think I watched the welding spot too closely 19:48:00 yeah.. I had a class today 19:48:11 teaching 2 dudes how to weld with a robot 19:50:14 what's the rename command inlinx? 19:50:17 luckily I don't have to stare at an CRT 19:50:18 rename a file. 19:50:26 mv 19:50:37 thanks 20:02:15 anyone wanna tell me how to make this work off of .bashrc, or .bash_profile http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html#SAVING-COMPLEX-PROMPTS 20:06:07 alpha: 20:06:13 you need to follow those 5 steps 20:06:18 1. go the desired dir 20:06:31 2. open a text-editor (vim is used in the example) 20:06:44 3. paste the script from the gray box into the file) 20:07:02 save the file under the name tonka 20:07:16 4. import the settings from the file ('source tonka') 20:07:37 5. execute the function tonka (for the environment) 20:07:51 6. unset tonka (when you want to remove the function) 20:08:21 asdfqwega has joined #emc 20:09:25 paul_c has joined #emc 20:14:45 hello paul 20:15:11 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/emcmodule.c: File changed. New revision:1.1.2.15 20:15:14 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/mill_inch_freq.ini: File changed. New revision:mill_mm_freq.ini 20:15:24 still busy I see... ;) 20:15:25 alex_joni, I can't do step5. 20:15:36 just run 'tonka' 20:15:42 nogo 20:15:46 are you sure you are using bash? 20:15:50 or wait... did I neet to set the permission? 20:15:56 yeah, 100% positive. 20:16:23 source tonka 20:16:24 : command not found 20:16:24 'ash: tonka: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `{ 20:16:24 'ash: tonka: line 3: `function tonka { 20:16:34 I typed "source tonka" 20:16:39 the file exists. 20:16:52 I see is... and it has 0744 permission set. 20:19:23 did you copy the #!/bin/bash too? 20:21:04 yeah 20:21:27 strange... dunno :( 20:23:31 --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)-- 20:23:31 --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )-- echo $BASH_VERSION 20:23:31 2.05b.0(1)-release 20:23:31 --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)-- 20:23:31 --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )-- 20:23:33 --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)-- 20:23:33 --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )-- echo $BASH_VERSION 20:23:35 2.05b.0(1)-release 20:23:37 --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)-- 20:23:40 --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )-- 20:24:08 --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)-- 20:24:08 --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )-- echo $BASH_VERSION 20:24:08