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00:14:19 <A-L-P-H-A> `done
00:14:33 <A-L-P-H-A> that took 40 minutes... though I did wash the parts too.
00:14:53 <alex_joni> * alex_joni is slowly getting tired
00:15:30 <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, what timezone?
00:16:06 <alex_joni> GMT+2
00:18:47 <A-L-P-H-A> fun... so it's like 0218h for you. :)
00:19:00 <alex_joni> yup
00:20:23 <A-L-P-H-A> I'm beginning to realize that overclocking my AMD athalon CPU has some strange consequences... the system time is always drifting faster.
00:20:32 <A-L-P-H-A> like every two days it's off by 30 seconds.
00:20:35 <alex_joni> really?
00:20:51 <alex_joni> strange... it shouldn't do that
00:20:53 <A-L-P-H-A> seems like it.  My laptop, [not overclocked, intel] holds it time very well.
00:20:58 <alex_joni> the clock is on an RTC
00:21:01 <A-L-P-H-A> well... it does... and I don't know why.
00:21:08 <alex_joni> that works even when powered down
00:21:12 <alex_joni> ;)
00:21:15 <A-L-P-H-A> My system doesn't shut down.
00:21:16 <A-L-P-H-A> Time: 19:21:20 -0500 GMT, Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), AMD XP 2800+ running at (1-AMD , 2123MHz, 512KB (12% Load)), DDR400 RAM Usage: 612/1024MB (59.77%), C: 59.84gb of 75.42gb free, D: 21.9gb of 39.05gb free, E: 142.68gb of 372.62gb free, Current Uptime: 1wk 7hrs 47mins 27secs, Record Uptime: 3wks 6hrs 56mins 16secs, 3 Samsung 19" flat monitors (1 Trinitron, 2 CRT).
00:21:52 <alex_joni> where did you take this from?
00:22:08 <alex_joni> I mean what program/command?
00:22:11 <A-L-P-H-A> take which? that's moo.dll for mirc.  with my own script.
00:22:28 <A-L-P-H-A> some of it is hardcoded. :)
00:22:34 <A-L-P-H-A> like the monitor description. :)
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00:23:22 <alex_joni> coo
00:23:33 <A-L-P-H-A> If you want it, just ask.
00:23:50 <alex_joni> think it would be usefull :D
00:26:19 <robin_sz> * robin_sz searches boxen for decent  uptimes
00:26:31 <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, dcc?
00:26:34 <A-L-P-H-A> 'ight
00:26:36 <A-L-P-H-A> nm. :)
00:26:47 <alex_joni> my best was around 280 days
00:26:56 <robin_sz> hmmm, nothing over a year at the moment
00:27:05 <robin_sz> [robin@quacky robin]$ uptime
00:27:05 <robin_sz>  12:26am  up 311 days,  8:10,  1 user,  load average: 1.49, 2.00, 1.92
00:27:08 <alex_joni> me neither ;)
00:27:12 <robin_sz> best I can do right now
00:27:21 <alex_joni> had some power outages lately (some long ones)
00:27:27 <alex_joni> coo
00:27:44 <A-L-P-H-A> UPS is good for me... I had lots of little brownouts... now sure if they would have shut my computer down or not... but they did stay up.
00:27:57 <robin_sz> yeah we luurrrrvv ups
00:28:02 <A-L-P-H-A> there were one or two blackouts... but my ups saved me.
00:28:10 <alex_joni> me loves ups too
00:29:41 <alex_joni> don't seem to have a variables.txt
00:30:08 <A-L-P-H-A> nono.
00:30:23 <A-L-P-H-A> those are the within the menus when you hit alt-r.
00:30:33 <A-L-P-H-A> see the aliases and varibles tabs?
00:30:44 <alex_joni> yup
00:30:58 <A-L-P-H-A> the contents of those files go into those corresponding places.  just cut and paste. :)
00:31:27 <alex_joni> and the dll?
00:31:34 <A-L-P-H-A> same folder as mirc.exe
00:31:50 <alex_joni> ok
00:31:55 <alex_joni> then just F9 I guess
00:32:00 <A-L-P-H-A> :) yup
00:32:06 <A-L-P-H-A> edit whatever variables/text you desire.
00:32:12 <alex_joni> * Identifier locked in options dialog: $dll (line 28, aliases.ini)
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00:34:03 <A-L-P-H-A> did you put the %uptimerec in Variables?
00:34:31 <alex_joni> yes
00:34:50 <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... strange.  it's worked for everyone else I've given the script to.
00:35:03 <A-L-P-H-A> what's on line28?
00:35:48 <alex_joni> Record uptime: ....
00:36:21 <A-L-P-H-A> comment out that line with a ; at the bginning of it... and see what happens.
00:36:52 <A-L-P-H-A> are you sure you put the "$uptimerec 0" in Variables?
00:37:17 <alex_joni> it's %uptimerec
00:37:22 <alex_joni> in Variables
00:37:27 <A-L-P-H-A> yeah. % sorry
00:37:36 <A-L-P-H-A> I so used to php.
00:40:43 <alex_joni> Time: 02:40:43 +0200 GMT, Current Uptime: 2days 17hrs 6mins 37secs, Record Uptime: 2days 17hrs 6mins 37secs, 3 Samsung 19" flat monitors (1 Trinitron, 2 CRT).
00:40:56 <alex_joni> I did take out a few ;D
00:41:07 <A-L-P-H-A> Oh... you're HDs. :) I forgot. heh.
00:41:24 <alex_joni> not the HDs
00:41:33 <A-L-P-H-A> what was wrong?
00:42:33 <alex_joni> I think all the dll stuff
00:42:37 <alex_joni> is not working
00:43:03 <alex_joni> I had dll locked out
00:43:06 <alex_joni> ;)
00:43:15 <alex_joni> Tools->Options->Lock
00:44:36 <alex_joni> Time: 02:43:34 +0200 GMT, Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), AMD XP 2800+ running at (1-Intel , 599MHz, 0KB (0% Load)), DDR400 RAM Usage: 246/503MB (48.91%), C: 8.42gb of 37.25gb free, Current Uptime: 2days 17hrs 10mins 29secs, Record Uptime: 2days 17hrs 9mins 29secs, 3 Samsung 19" flat monitors (1 Trinitron, 2 CRT).
00:46:44 <robin_sz> * robin_sz points out that a trinitron *IS* a crt
00:47:34 <alex_joni> nope
00:47:38 <anonimasu> :)
00:47:40 <robin_sz> yep
00:47:41 <alex_joni> ohh.. yes
00:47:48 <alex_joni> not my setup
00:47:54 <alex_joni> I have 1 TFT
00:47:58 <alex_joni> 15 ''
00:48:02 <alex_joni> on my laptop
00:48:12 <alex_joni> and one giant 21'' ancient Trinitron
00:48:16 <alex_joni> ;)
00:48:32 <anonimasu> :)
00:48:40 <anonimasu> tft's nice for the eyes
00:48:48 <robin_sz> yeah
00:48:52 <alex_joni> you can't mistake it for beeing anything else than a CRT
00:48:57 <alex_joni> @ 45 kg
00:49:00 <alex_joni> :D
00:49:01 <robin_sz> heh
00:49:02 <anonimasu> crt's gleam like hell :/
00:49:13 <robin_sz> I dislike the wires on trintron crts
00:49:25 <robin_sz> the horizontal ones ..
00:49:29 <alex_joni> you can barely see them on mine
00:49:43 <alex_joni> * alex_joni knows the wires robin is talking about ;)
00:49:48 <robin_sz> I always notice them for some reason
00:49:54 <alex_joni> but hey
00:50:08 <alex_joni> it's a 21'' placed about 3m from where I'm sitting
00:50:13 <alex_joni> ;)
00:50:17 <robin_sz> you know why they are there?
00:50:26 <alex_joni> my vision is good, but not that good to see the wire
00:50:40 <alex_joni> something about picture ...
00:51:02 <robin_sz> normal TV mask is a sheet full of holes in a trangle pattern
00:51:09 <robin_sz> => stable
00:51:21 <robin_sz> trinitron is verticle slots
00:51:45 <robin_sz> the wires are welded to all the slots, stops them waving about and distorting
00:52:05 <alex_joni> coo
00:52:47 <anonimasu> :)
00:52:58 <anonimasu> I am lucky not to work as a welder wherever they make thoose.
00:53:35 <alex_joni> don't think those are made manually
00:53:54 <anonimasu> just kidding
00:54:30 <alex_joni> although... my company sold some spot welders for a resistors factory lately
00:54:34 <alex_joni> ;)
00:54:48 <anonimasu> lol
00:55:18 <robin_sz> yesterday was resistor ordering day again ..
00:55:28 <robin_sz> another batch of 100,000 :)
00:55:43 <alex_joni> how many pounds?
00:55:46 <alex_joni> :D
00:55:56 <robin_sz> cost or weight?
00:56:07 <alex_joni> weight :D
00:56:19 <robin_sz> oh, not many ... 5 maybe?
00:56:32 <robin_sz> 2kg
00:56:50 <alex_joni> ;)
00:56:53 <alex_joni> SMD?
00:56:58 <robin_sz> uh huh
00:57:10 <alex_joni> that's a lot :P
00:57:31 <robin_sz> 2 months worth
00:59:31 <robin_sz> 0.0014 pence each I think :)
00:59:45 <robin_sz> no punds
00:59:53 <robin_sz> 0.14 pence each
00:59:57 <robin_sz> thats better
01:02:09 <robin_sz> I am *so* glad its not me that has to assemble the damn things ...
01:02:30 <robin_sz> id go mad after 100, never mind 100K
01:14:37 <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed...
01:14:45 <alex_joni> see you guys later today ;)
01:15:07 <anonimasu> laters
01:16:02 <alex_joni> I'll wait for some downloads to finish
01:19:27 <alex_joni> robin: how's the plasma-table selling?
01:23:24 <A-L-P-H-A> ouch... cut myself on my part... I needed to break apart a cut I had... and it broke, but also cut me.  Stupid part.
01:23:50 <alex_joni> ouchy
01:25:17 <anonimasu> :(
01:25:52 <A-L-P-H-A> it's like a paper cut that won't stop bleeding... it's just right between the last knuckle, and the fingernail... where just a mm or two below the cuticle.
01:26:07 <alex_joni> bummer
01:26:26 <A-L-P-H-A> bandage seem to do the trick.
01:26:34 <A-L-P-H-A> horray for sports tape. :)
01:26:52 <A-L-P-H-A> well... the bracket is almost done as well. :) hehehe.
01:28:54 <alex_joni> night
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01:28:58 <A-L-P-H-A> later.
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03:26:25 <asdfqwega> anyone about?
03:27:28 <asdfqwega> Hm.
03:28:16 <asdfqwega> I really must put a Post-it-note here on the screen with the "hours" I expect people to be here
03:28:36 <asdfqwega> Sometimes it's hard being a midnight freak
03:47:59 <gezr> im sorta around
03:48:02 <A-L-P-H-A> I'm here.
03:48:30 <gezr> working on the bike parts, I just found out i have a very serious issue with my water/oil pump
03:48:38 <A-L-P-H-A> :( shibby
03:49:50 <A-L-P-H-A> I think this is going to be interesting... as I don't know exactly where to drill yet.
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04:53:30 <asdfqwega> gezr: Well, I don't know if you'd be able to answer my question
04:53:51 <asdfqwega> I'm using the new emc stuff paul's been compiling
04:54:00 <A-L-P-H-A> if you asked your question... we might be able to better know. :)
04:54:12 <asdfqwega> and this means that I'm finally going to have to add home/limit switches
04:54:17 <gezr> ask by all means
04:54:20 <asdfqwega> (long overdue)
04:54:38 <A-L-P-H-A> ohoh! What do you people use for repeatable home switches?
04:54:59 <gezr> servos with encoders with an index pulse
04:55:06 <gezr> I dont know much about all that
04:55:08 <asdfqwega> To simplify things, I was going to make either the +/- limits do double duty as home
04:55:21 <A-L-P-H-A> asdfqwega, lots of people do.
04:55:31 <gezr> I dont know how they do it
04:55:38 <asdfqwega> I was curious as to the current logic used in the homing
04:55:50 <gezr> I dont know
04:55:52 <A-L-P-H-A> if home then homed? :) hehehehehe
04:55:54 <A-L-P-H-A> hahahaha
04:56:09 <A-L-P-H-A> sorry, I thought it was halarious... maybe cause I'm just an idiot.
04:56:12 <gezr> it faries from situation to situation
04:56:18 <gezr> varies
04:56:43 <asdfqwega> If you could still trip the limits while homing - otherwise I'd have to make a manual switch to turn off the limits while homing
04:56:45 <A-L-P-H-A> some people have a limit switch before, or after... and an optical limit switch for home.
04:57:15 <A-L-P-H-A> limit ----------- limit ---- home   or limit ------- home ------- limit
04:57:34 <gezr> ------------home-------limit
04:57:45 <A-L-P-H-A> where's the other limit? :)
04:57:48 <A-L-P-H-A> should have two...
04:57:50 <gezr> accually,  limit---------------limit----home
04:57:53 <gezr> my bad
04:57:53 <asdfqwega> It fell off?
04:58:01 <A-L-P-H-A> hehe
04:58:27 <gezr> eot----limit---------------------limit--home----eot
04:58:39 <gezr> eot end of travel
04:58:42 <A-L-P-H-A> man... I'm dreading drilling the set screw holes in the stainless steel coupling I made.
04:58:59 <A-L-P-H-A> some people have it like this...
04:59:19 <A-L-P-H-A> eot --- limit ------- home --- ZERO point --- home ------- limit --- eot
04:59:38 <A-L-P-H-A> where it's a measured and thus known distance between the two home switches.
04:59:49 <A-L-P-H-A> so they use that are teh Zero point.
05:00:10 <gezr> I dont like that at all
05:00:23 <asdfqwega> Well, that'd be nice, Alpha, but that kinda in the opposite direction I'm aiming
05:00:49 <A-L-P-H-A> I currently don't even have switches...
05:01:00 <gezr> asdfqwega : here is the catcher, unless you have a i/o card you cant really have that many inputs
05:01:08 <A-L-P-H-A> I have a hardstop on my ways on my lathe... so they won't hit the chuck.
05:01:18 <A-L-P-H-A> [which I've done before] [magic sparks everywhere]
05:01:33 <asdfqwega> gezr:  I know how EMC works - common mode switches, and home one axis at a time
05:01:51 <gezr> I dont know how its able to be done
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05:02:19 <gezr> there is only one way to keep it always the same at power on , and thats with an encoder with an index pulse
05:02:31 <asdfqwega> Hm...I'm going to have to use microswitches for the limits, and rig up something else for optical home
05:03:02 <asdfqwega> I'm using steppers, so no index pulse :P
05:03:05 <gezr> thats probably just as accurate
05:03:25 <gezr> you know, I just dont know how its done, you can try different combos
05:04:46 <A-L-P-H-A> attempting to drill stainless steel now... 1.) centre drill. 2.) drill to size. 3.) tap.
05:04:59 <asdfqwega> I've got the optical sensors - just needs to make up the circuits for power, etc
05:05:06 <asdfqwega> And that's the bit of work I wanted to avoid - I'm out of proto-PCB stuff, and I don't want to wait for stores opening or shipping for parts
05:05:21 <asdfqwega> Alpha:  Perpendicular into a round?
05:05:35 <asdfqwega> Or somewhat tangential?
05:07:22 <asdfqwega> I hate trying to drill small holes off-center on a round for clamp/couplings...
05:37:56 <gezr> good night you guys
05:38:23 <gezr> off-center you spot first with an endmill :)
05:38:34 <gezr> one thats centercutting of course
05:38:49 <gezr> I got to sleep now
06:20:18 <A-L-P-H-A> asdfqwega, I got it.
06:21:08 <A-L-P-H-A> Except the set screws someone gave me, said they were 6-32.  They were mistaken.  They're like 10-24, or something silly.  So now I gotta order TWO 6/32 setscrews hehe.  GREAT!  That'll have to wait till month.
06:21:35 <A-L-P-H-A> Yes I could drill and tap them again, but I'm not going to.  If I do, I run the risk of breaking a tap in the part, or a drill or whatever.
06:21:54 <A-L-P-H-A> And I got good at sharpening drills. :) What you learn when you're forced to.
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10:36:44 <anonimasu> good morning
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14:12:45 <alex_joni> greetings
14:21:26 <anonimasu> hello
14:21:26 <anonimasu> :)
14:21:33 <anonimasu> I just grabbed a new version of emc off cvs..
14:21:40 <alex_joni> hey an0n
14:21:43 <alex_joni> and?
14:21:50 <anonimasu> I havent had a change to try it out yet
14:21:58 <anonimasu> but I changed the computer and the bug's still there
14:22:23 <anonimasu> do you know if the bug was with the kernel paralell port drive?
14:22:28 <anonimasu> driver or within emc?
14:22:59 <anonimasu> freqmod.. :)
14:23:55 <alex_joni> afaik freqmod doesn't use a driver to output to parport
14:24:02 <alex_joni> it does that directly
14:24:04 <anonimasu> ah ok..
14:24:07 <alex_joni> lemme check
14:24:13 <anonimasu> ok
14:24:28 <alex_joni> nah .. that's bull ;)
14:24:37 <alex_joni> it does output to a parport "driver"
14:24:42 <anonimasu> I wanted to know since I am going to burn the cvs to a cd..
14:24:43 <anonimasu> :)(
14:24:45 <alex_joni> but the driver only does some outb's
14:24:48 <anonimasu> for moving it out
14:25:29 <alex_joni> I suggest you compile on a fast machine ;)
14:25:34 <anonimasu> emc?
14:25:35 <anonimasu> heh
14:25:38 <alex_joni> if you have the same kernel/stuff installed
14:25:44 <alex_joni> emc/rcslib
14:25:44 <anonimasu> I have a 500 out in the shop..
14:25:56 <alex_joni> should do the trick
14:26:04 <alex_joni> but it'll take you a while
14:26:11 <anonimasu> hm, so I just need to grab emc + rcslib
14:26:47 <anonimasu> *grabbes rcslib off the cvs too*
14:27:19 <anonimasu> I hope this fixes it..
14:27:24 <anonimasu> I want to mill stuff :/
14:29:43 <alex_joni> what linux/rtai do you have installed?
14:30:01 <anonimasu> the stuff off the BDI4.x cd
14:30:23 <anonimasu> 4.08
14:30:30 <alex_joni> you need to install devel stuff
14:30:46 <anonimasu> yeah but that's on the cd isnt it?
14:30:50 <alex_joni> that's not on the BDI4.0x yet
14:31:00 <alex_joni> nope :(
14:31:19 <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
14:31:27 <alex_joni> you need to network the machine you plan to build emc/rcslib
14:31:31 <alex_joni> to get gcc & such
14:31:53 <anonimasu> the problem is that I have no network cards and no cabling out to the shop
14:32:17 <alex_joni> that's why I'd suggest building on naother machine
14:32:43 <anonimasu> hm, I have a machine I could build it on but it's slackware so it'd be alot of more work..
14:33:38 <anonimasu> I think I'll grab the debian isos and burn em to a dvd and loopmount em..
14:35:36 <alex_joni> * alex_joni is afraid he can't help on deb stuff
14:35:53 <anonimasu> or I might go off to work and get a network card..
14:35:54 <anonimasu> :/
14:36:41 <alex_joni> heh
14:36:44 <alex_joni> and some cable
14:36:46 <alex_joni> ;)
14:36:51 <alex_joni> or.. some wifi cable
14:36:59 <alex_joni> which reminds me...
14:37:12 <alex_joni> there was a dude selling 150m of wifi cable on ebay :D
14:37:28 <anonimasu> wifi cable?
14:37:32 <anonimasu> ?
14:38:04 <alex_joni> wireless cable
14:38:06 <alex_joni> e.g. air
14:38:12 <anonimasu> ah :)
14:38:16 <anonimasu> got cable like that..
14:38:38 <anonimasu> but it's the inside of the shop that's harder :)
14:38:49 <alex_joni> well... depends on power
14:38:51 <alex_joni> :D
14:39:08 <anonimasu> I'll move the box inside..
14:39:20 <anonimasu> damn this stuff better work when I've recompiled it..
14:39:26 <alex_joni> lol
14:40:16 <anonimasu> messing is nice to a point.. but this is going too far..
14:41:13 <anonimasu> I'll be back later
14:41:20 <alex_joni> ok
14:41:20 <anonimasu> going to go to work and grab a network card..
14:41:28 <anonimasu> :)
14:41:34 <alex_joni> ;)
15:03:23 <anonimasu> iab
15:03:32 <anonimasu> I'll be here in a bit just need to boot the computer
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15:06:11 <alex_joni> gmorning les
15:08:01 <les> good morning
15:08:20 <alex_joni> how's the homing working?
15:09:01 <les> still not using segmentqueue...I have so much production that I cannot test it now
15:09:16 <les> homing works in the old version
15:09:16 <alex_joni> that's ... good :)
15:09:29 <les> sure would like a break
15:09:47 <les> running the machine a lot and making money is good but
15:09:51 <alex_joni> yeah... a break is nice once in a while
15:09:58 <les> I would like some time off
15:10:15 <alex_joni> I know the feeling
15:10:37 <les> A business owner rarely gets to take time off
15:11:16 <alex_joni> depends on the size of the business
15:11:27 <alex_joni> one day it'll grow out of your hands :D
15:11:40 <alex_joni> and you'll have managers & such employed
15:11:48 <alex_joni> then you can take a break ;)
15:12:12 <les> Yup...exponential growth right now
15:12:33 <alex_joni> gotta be carefull with that
15:12:33 <les> It is just like the division I worked at in Chicago
15:12:43 <alex_joni> you don't wanna grow too rapidly
15:12:50 <les> So I have been through it
15:12:59 <les> yeah...not too fast
15:13:23 <alex_joni> if it's too fast... it gets out of control
15:13:28 <alex_joni> and can crash
15:14:39 <les> At Chicago we did our first mirror heater run cutting them out with scissors!
15:14:50 <les> 20,000 of them!!!
15:15:03 <alex_joni> ;)
15:15:15 <les> Finally got the dies tooled though
15:15:25 <alex_joni> dies?
15:15:50 <les> Steel rule dies for kiss cutting the sheet plastic
15:16:22 <les> does not cut through the backing in one spot
15:16:34 <les> to make a peel away tab
15:16:53 <les> it's sticky backed on one side
15:16:59 <alex_joni> oh.. I see
15:17:23 <anonimasu> ah now..
15:17:25 <les> just peel off the backing and press on the back of the glass mirror
15:18:02 <les> (also gives anti-shatter feature)
15:18:30 <les> anyway...must go to the bank
15:18:40 <alex_joni> bank is good
15:18:40 <les> deposits :)
15:18:43 <anonimasu> :)
15:18:48 <les> later
15:19:12 <alex_joni> later
15:19:16 <anonimasu> later
15:19:23 <les> les has quit
15:19:27 <anonimasu> alex_joni: hm, so I grab emc.. and rcslib..
15:19:34 <picnet> picnet has quit
15:19:38 <anonimasu> and the stuff it depends on..
15:19:41 <anonimasu> and it should work
15:20:08 <alex_joni> an0n: in hteory .. yes
15:20:11 <alex_joni> theory
15:20:14 <anonimasu> hehe
15:20:37 <alex_joni> hope you'll not get into trouble compiling
15:20:43 <alex_joni> ohhhh
15:20:47 <alex_joni> hang on a moment
15:20:51 <alex_joni> I just remembered
15:21:03 <alex_joni> emc&rcslib won't compile on BDI-4.0x
15:21:10 <alex_joni> because of the 2.6 kernel
15:21:18 <anonimasu> isnt that emc2?
15:21:36 <alex_joni> emc2 too
15:21:53 <alex_joni> but in order to compile emc1, paul_c did a _lot_ of changes
15:22:06 <alex_joni> one of them .. scrapping rcslib
15:22:55 <alex_joni> and replacing it with libnml (a clean-and-mean implementation of rcslib)
15:23:09 <alex_joni> the best thing to do... get a BDI-Live and try that one
15:24:49 <anonimasu> argh
15:25:05 <alex_joni> :(
15:25:21 <alex_joni> if you go with the latest ;)
15:25:32 <alex_joni> unstable :P
15:25:43 <anonimasu> oh, I thought the stuff that was on the isos were meant to work..
15:25:47 <anonimasu> :(
15:25:50 <alex_joni> you could go ahead and try it.. but I think it would be a waste of time
15:26:04 <anonimasu> well, I dont care anymore I just want my mill to work ok..
15:26:07 <alex_joni> it's the latest iso, and it's not fully done yet
15:26:12 <anonimasu> but I am not installing bdi-live..
15:26:13 <alex_joni> paul is still working on it
15:26:20 <anonimasu> err running it..
15:27:00 <alex_joni> why not?
15:27:09 <alex_joni> you can even install it...
15:27:22 <anonimasu> Ill downgrade this kernel instead..
15:27:39 <alex_joni> you really think you wanna go there?
15:27:43 <anonimasu> yes
15:27:49 <alex_joni> or you can do an apt-get ...
15:27:58 <alex_joni> you need kernel, rtai
15:28:01 <alex_joni> modules
15:28:02 <alex_joni> etc.
15:28:06 <anonimasu> kernel source?
15:28:41 <alex_joni> I said I don't know abou tdeb...
15:28:45 <alex_joni> I said I don't know about deb...
15:28:57 <alex_joni> but the proper way to do it is to dl a kernel source
15:28:59 <anonimasu> well, I didnt ask on how to do it.. :)
15:29:03 <alex_joni> then patch it with rtai 
15:29:22 <alex_joni> compile kernel, compile rtai
15:29:26 <anonimasu> yeah..
15:29:27 <alex_joni> install kernel, install modules
15:29:35 <alex_joni> then go over to compiling rcslib
15:29:40 <alex_joni> after thet emc1
15:30:41 <anonimasu> what my emc compile failed at last time was that I didnt have the proper X libraries for installing tk
15:30:44 <anonimasu> and no connection..
15:31:16 <alex_joni> bugger
15:31:17 <alex_joni> ;)
15:33:01 <alex_joni> I was thinking of installing BDI-4.08
15:33:07 <alex_joni> but I think I'll skip that
15:33:15 <alex_joni> I have a SuSE 8.2 right now
15:33:22 <alex_joni> with 2.4.21-adeos
15:33:34 <anonimasu> 179 upgraded, 18 newly installed, 8 to remove and 53 not upgraded.
15:33:36 <anonimasu> heh
15:33:42 <anonimasu> packages for installing tcl/tk
15:33:53 <alex_joni> lol
15:33:55 <alex_joni> nuts....
15:33:57 <anonimasu> upgrades for everything
15:38:11 <anonimasu> :)
15:38:46 <alex_joni> is tehre a rtai-patched 2.4 kernel for deb?
15:40:14 <anonimasu> I dont know.. I'll grab the source and patch it manually...
15:40:29 <anonimasu> :)
15:40:43 <alex_joni> if you grab the same one I have, I can send you binaries
15:40:58 <anonimasu> ok
15:41:07 <anonimasu> I just need to upgrade all this stuff first
15:41:08 <anonimasu> :)
15:41:19 <anonimasu> 5 minutes getting synergy..
15:41:27 <anonimasu> and maybe 5 getting the other packages..
15:41:29 <jepler> http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/apr98/breadbrd.html
15:41:35 <alex_joni> hey jepler
15:42:52 <jepler> hi
15:44:34 <alex_joni> jepler: this is nuts...
15:44:43 <alex_joni> * alex_joni is laughing his ass off
15:44:55 <jepler> I thought it was pretty funny
15:45:03 <alex_joni> crazy
15:45:06 <alex_joni> ;)
15:45:11 <alex_joni> but I'll keep it in mind
15:45:12 <alex_joni> :D
15:45:23 <anonimasu> LOL
15:48:11 <alex_joni> " and smells very tasty as you solder."
15:48:12 <alex_joni> LOL
15:51:33 <jepler> * jepler wanders away
15:51:56 <anonimasu> I got 57 of thoose packages now
15:52:02 <anonimasu> err 70
15:52:03 <anonimasu> :)
15:52:30 <anonimasu> and the kernel and patch..
15:53:33 <alex_joni> nice connection ;)
15:53:37 <anonimasu> yep
15:54:21 <anonimasu> but i's slow as hell atm..
15:56:11 <alex_joni> atm?
15:56:33 <anonimasu> yeah..
15:56:34 <anonimasu> right now
15:56:44 <anonimasu> or well it was the network card of the emc box..
15:56:46 <anonimasu> it's a old isa card..
15:56:57 <anonimasu> it dosent like high speeds..
15:57:03 <anonimasu> downloading it at the server I have instead..
15:57:10 <alex_joni> aha
15:57:11 <anonimasu> it's going in 560kb/s
15:57:16 <alex_joni> nice
15:57:38 <anonimasu> yeah
15:57:41 <alex_joni> I can only dream of such downloads at home ;)
15:57:43 <anonimasu> soon I'll have this working
15:58:40 <anonimasu> I hope
15:58:58 <anonimasu> I cant wait until my isp starts providing higher speeds..
15:59:03 <anonimasu> :)
15:59:08 <alex_joni> I think I'll leave for a while...
15:59:11 <anonimasu> ok
15:59:24 <alex_joni> I'll be back later
15:59:28 <anonimasu> I'll be busy messing around with this for a while
15:59:54 <alex_joni> good luck :)
15:59:59 <anonimasu> hehe
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16:00:00 <anonimasu> I'll need it
16:01:13 <gezr> morning guys
16:01:52 <anonimasu> hey gezr 
16:04:28 <anonimasu> hm nice..
16:04:52 <anonimasu> adeos patched flawlessly
16:14:47 <gezr> sweet
16:14:57 <anonimasu> compiling it now
16:15:08 <anonimasu> :)
16:15:17 <anonimasu> hopefully emc will compile at this box..
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16:59:25 <gezr> anonimasu : what rtai are you gonna be using?
17:01:26 <anonimasu> I have no idea yet
17:01:34 <anonimasu> whatever emc requires..
17:01:35 <anonimasu> :)
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17:37:29 <gezr> www.masternode.net/gallery     
17:37:30 <gezr> :)
17:57:15 <gezr> let me know if you visit and its working okay, things seem okay locally, I cant tell remotely
17:59:44 <danfalck> gezr: checked it out. it works. cool shaper!
17:59:56 <gezr> I did mention it was ugly :)
18:00:05 <gezr> thanks
18:00:22 <gezr> bike first then machines
18:01:31 <gezr> or who knows, pait is cheap compared to other things right now it would seem
18:01:34 <gezr> paint
18:01:59 <danfalck> why worry about paint? just use the hell out of it.
18:02:32 <gezr> I dont know
18:02:46 <robin_sz> * robin_sz visits
18:03:21 <robin_sz> hmmm ... shaper and a horizontal mill ...
18:03:49 <gezr> im probably gonna blast the parts I have masked off, that green tape is insane sticky stuff, some new high bond m3 stuff
18:04:14 <robin_sz> you gonna blast the injectors?
18:04:18 <gezr> yeah
18:04:29 <robin_sz> * robin_sz crosses himself
18:04:59 <gezr> they are either working or not, so I dont care if I run them, It may not be my fault
18:05:07 <gezr> ruin 
18:05:41 <gezr> robin_sz : hey, hmm, my waterpump is in bad shape
18:05:54 <robin_sz> bad shape?
18:06:04 <robin_sz> seal gone?
18:06:18 <gezr> the shaft that drives it, well its shot, and the seals one of them cant be purchased, and well, do you think a new shaft made of 4140 would do the trick?
18:06:47 <robin_sz> what about the new seal?
18:06:56 <gezr> I think I can get the seal that bmw doesnt offer anymore, it may be a common item, its a 12x25x5 seal
18:07:19 <robin_sz> the shaft cant just be skimmed?
18:07:34 <gezr> heavy rust destruction
18:08:15 <robin_sz> id go to the breakers
18:08:22 <gezr> breakers?
18:08:30 <robin_sz> wreckers
18:08:37 <robin_sz> 2nd hand parts company
18:08:52 <gezr> yeah, that would be something to do, its a very simple shaft
18:08:55 <robin_sz> whatever they call it out there in the USA
18:09:08 <gezr> salvage yard
18:09:14 <robin_sz> right
18:09:31 <gezr> you think making one wouldnt be the way to go hu?
18:09:44 <robin_sz> dunno ... guess it was made once
18:09:45 <gezr> a new one is 123
18:09:52 <robin_sz> and you have th tools
18:09:59 <gezr> yeah, and stock
18:11:03 <robin_sz> if I was going to balst that engine and covers ...
18:11:05 <gezr> i just dont know
18:11:27 <robin_sz> I'd do it as a 'lump' .. all bolted up
18:11:30 <gezr> If I could I would do it all while it was together :)
18:11:43 <robin_sz> and you cant?
18:12:02 <gezr> not at this phase, Ill have my work cut out for me with cleaning
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18:12:58 <gezr> robin_sz : its 20 years old, I just hope I get it all right
18:13:52 <gezr> the head so far is fantastic :)
18:14:23 <danfalck> hi steve
18:14:23 <gezr> Ill have the block done by someone when its all together, its too large for my set up here
18:14:31 <robin_sz> I just remrmebr spending ages cleaning glass bead out of bolt holes .. for me, blasting it apart was a big mistake
18:14:52 <SteveStallings> hi dan
18:14:54 <gezr> robin_sz : I know, bolt holes were tapped off :)
18:15:24 <robin_sz> so where mine
18:15:39 <danfalck> SteveStallings: how was cabin fever?
18:16:06 <robin_sz> * robin_sz goes back to beating Debian
18:16:38 <SteveStallings> pretty good, attendance similar to earlier shows, questions from visitors about CNC indicate that people are getting more interested and more informed
18:20:31 <robin_sz> did you have a stack of Live! cds to give out?
18:21:48 <SteveStallings> thalx was there running a Sherline that I provided with RC46. I think he gave out a few CD's and answered lots of questions.
18:22:38 <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
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18:32:04 <robin_sz> gezr: you know debian,  to install a .deb I have .. its just dpkg -i <file> right?
18:35:35 <gezr> yep
18:35:48 <gezr> info is -I
18:35:58 <danfalck> apt-get install <file> too?
18:36:14 <robin_sz> really?
18:36:20 <acemi> <file> -> <package name>
18:36:26 <robin_sz> quite
18:36:32 <robin_sz> these are local files
18:37:05 <robin_sz> local files for local people
18:38:58 <robin_sz> * robin_sz waits for the box to come back up again
18:39:22 <robin_sz> oh dear
18:46:09 <gezr> do you guys think 15 dollars more a month to get 8 high definition stations is worth it?
18:46:12 <gezr> Ihave a hd tv
18:46:36 <robin_sz> I have no TV, so Id say "no"
18:47:26 <gezr> i dont like to go to the movies
18:47:36 <gezr> something about being with other folks these days bothers me
18:48:34 <gezr> ill go see starwars III though
18:48:46 <gezr> most of those folks I can relate to
18:48:52 <robin_sz> heh
18:48:55 <robin_sz> geeks :)
18:49:15 <robin_sz> so .. to see where the hell all the files in a .deb will go?
18:49:16 <gezr> I played star wars galaxies online for the past year
18:49:26 <robin_sz> * robin_sz installed foo-source and cant see it
18:49:27 <gezr> ./var/cache/apt/archives
18:49:35 <gezr> oh those
18:49:39 <gezr> ./usr/src
18:49:42 <robin_sz> nah
18:49:47 <robin_sz> thats where it *should* go
18:49:51 <gezr> oh man
18:50:02 <robin_sz> is there some way to view the .deb contennts?
18:50:09 <gezr> try /usr/local and then /usr/share or run a dpkg -I <file\>
18:50:27 <gezr> yeah big eye
18:50:29 <gezr> -I
18:50:40 <robin_sz> -I gives just a little bit of decsriptive info
18:50:52 <robin_sz> is there someting equiv to tar -tvf ?
18:51:08 <gezr> -L
18:51:11 <gezr> list files
18:52:12 <gezr> -c is contentws
18:53:22 <gezr> i hope that helped some
18:54:18 <gezr> robin_sz : oh, bmw doesnt offer the o-ring seals for the injectors anymore, 
18:54:29 <robin_sz> sure
18:54:30 <robin_sz> ???
18:54:39 <gezr> yeah, got a dealer with fiche online
18:54:46 <robin_sz> coo
18:54:52 <acemi> dpkg -c dile.deb
18:54:53 <robin_sz> no replacement at all?
18:54:53 <gezr> ill have to find substitutes
18:55:01 <gezr> yeah im sure something exists
18:55:11 <gezr> the dealer im working with is top knotch
18:55:13 <robin_sz> * robin_sz finds them in /usr/src/modules/foo
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19:23:10 <alex_joni> meep?
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19:34:34 <robin_sz> meep indeed
19:35:05 <alex_joni> greetings...
19:39:58 <danfalck> hello
19:40:07 <alex_joni> hey dan
19:40:10 <alex_joni> anything new?
19:40:28 <danfalck> not much with me. been using sagcad a bit
19:40:40 <alex_joni> any impressions?
19:40:59 <danfalck> hard to deal with, but open source and it does some cam output...
19:41:12 <alex_joni> I've been using ace for cam output
19:42:51 <danfalck> so what's the latest with emc?
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19:43:23 <alex_joni> not mucht
19:43:25 <alex_joni> not much
19:43:34 <danfalck> is paul away this week?
19:43:39 <alex_joni> I plan on doing some work on emc2 (IO-controller)
19:43:45 <alex_joni> paul is away
19:43:57 <alex_joni> one of the reasons not much right now on emc ;)
19:44:14 <alex_joni> jmk & zwisk are working on a hal-refactor
19:54:49 <anonimasu> :)
19:55:14 <alex_joni> hey an0n
19:55:18 <alex_joni> got it going?
19:56:43 <anonimasu> I got the kernel installed but I forgot to add HID support...
19:56:49 <anonimasu> so I need to recompile it tomorrow..
19:56:59 <alex_joni> cool...
19:56:59 <anonimasu> but it's running with adeos :)
19:57:04 <alex_joni> got rtai working?
19:57:07 <anonimasu> I quit for today..
19:57:17 <alex_joni> btw.. what rtai did you install?
19:57:29 <anonimasu> apt get install rtai
19:57:31 <anonimasu> ;)
19:57:34 <anonimasu> I was lazy.
19:57:44 <alex_joni> ahh.. coo
19:57:55 <alex_joni> but does it dl the source too?
19:58:06 <anonimasu> apt-get rtai-dev
19:58:10 <alex_joni> to patch the kernel for example
19:58:11 <anonimasu> err apt get install rtai-dev
19:58:17 <alex_joni> cool
19:58:25 <anonimasu> ah, no :) but that gives you the headers and stuff..
19:58:28 <alex_joni> ?ME starts to think this debian is smthg 
19:58:36 <alex_joni> * alex_joni starts to think this debian is smthg
19:58:42 <anonimasu> debian is great.. :)
19:59:04 <anonimasu> I didnt install rtai.. damn
19:59:05 <anonimasu> :D
19:59:09 <anonimasu> not the kernel patch..
19:59:16 <anonimasu> let me check if I can access the box..
19:59:18 <alex_joni> well.. then you got a nice kernel
19:59:27 <alex_joni> unfortunately with no RT support ;)
20:00:05 <anonimasu> heh
20:00:10 <anonimasu> I'll sove that later :)
20:00:56 <anonimasu> it
20:01:33 <anonimasu> I didnt check I thought that was included with adeos..
20:02:29 <acemi> there is a debian package, name is kernel-patch-adeos
20:02:53 <anonimasu> I downloaded the source and patched manually :)
20:03:21 <alex_joni> that's best
20:03:27 <anonimasu> that's as easy :)
20:03:27 <acemi> but i think that you don't need adeos, if you donwload rtai
20:03:29 <alex_joni> what version did you download?
20:03:35 <anonimasu> of adeos?
20:03:43 <anonimasu> 2.5.21..
20:03:57 <alex_joni> 2.5.21?
20:04:01 <anonimasu> err 2.4
20:04:04 <anonimasu> typo
20:04:46 <alex_joni> well that's the kernel AFAIK
20:05:27 <anonimasu> :)
20:05:50 <anonimasu> I know, It was .16 of adeos.. I think..
20:06:12 <anonimasu> cant remember and I forgot to edit the startup to use the isa network card so I cant check..
20:06:24 <alex_joni> lol
20:06:30 <alex_joni> yeah.. that happens
20:06:38 <anonimasu> hold on
20:06:49 <anonimasu> adeos-2.4.21-r16
20:08:34 <anonimasu> I'll be gone for a bit
20:08:50 <anonimasu> going to slack a little then go and insert the drivers :) on the box..
20:08:55 <anonimasu> so I can work with it from here..
20:09:10 <anonimasu> I am at a lan party right now
20:16:33 <robin_sz> nerd alert!
20:16:47 <anonimasu> lol
20:17:29 <robin_sz> hehe .. I managed to get debian to net install ... 
20:18:48 <robin_sz> the netinst claimed the bios was broken/old ... then I noticed, if I left the CD in and rebooted ... it saw the CD ok ... but if I put the fresh hard drive in and powered up it didnt .. so I hot-swapped the IDE drives ;)
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20:19:28 <robin_sz> I figure the cd mount process must have flipped a bit in the cdrom or somethng
20:19:47 <picnet> I know I dont spend enough time in the lab when i come back home and the cup of tea is still warm....
20:20:00 <robin_sz> heh
20:20:04 <robin_sz> eveny "
20:20:07 <picnet> evning
20:20:32 <robin_sz> * robin_sz is playing with VOIP fun still
20:21:06 <picnet> i have skype on my pda & use it over wifi when traveling etc.
20:21:17 <robin_sz> kewl
20:21:25 <robin_sz> skype is an interesting protocol
20:21:44 <picnet> nice hack 
20:21:49 <robin_sz> * robin_sz saw a disection of it the other day
20:22:17 <picnet> slashdot had a pdf of it or somewhere.
20:22:43 <robin_sz> pushing the traffic peer-to-peer is smart move
20:22:50 <robin_sz> yet they keep control
20:23:03 <robin_sz> you can see whre that is headed!
20:23:16 <picnet> odd i just tried to turn on the pda and its battery was dead.. bizzare.
20:23:57 <robin_sz> get a few million on skype .. wait for it to become the defacto network 
20:24:11 <robin_sz> then charge them 1c a minute for using their own bandwidth
20:24:36 <picnet> might not happen, voip -> pstn is where they make money.
20:25:14 <robin_sz> * robin_sz predicts a pstn->voip migration in the next 5 years
21:06:55 <alex_joni> * alex_joni is back
21:07:25 <alex_joni> robin: how is voip? I mean how does it work for you.. are you happy?
21:08:00 <anonimasu> :)
21:08:16 <alex_joni> hey an0n
21:08:22 <alex_joni> how's the gaming?
21:09:43 <anonimasu> I am not gaming :)
21:09:54 <anonimasu> yet..
21:10:28 <alex_joni> planning to?
21:10:37 <anonimasu> yeah maybe in a bit
21:10:46 <alex_joni> cool... what?
21:11:05 <anonimasu> unreal tournament 2004
21:11:26 <alex_joni> * alex_joni quit gaming a while ago...
21:11:34 <anonimasu> I did too actually
21:11:47 <anonimasu> but when togther with some friends it's pretty fun :)
21:11:54 <alex_joni> my last game was half-life
21:11:58 <anonimasu> cant write code 10/7
21:12:02 <alex_joni> and I did a lot of Delta Force
21:12:12 <alex_joni> make that 24/7 ;)
21:12:22 <anonimasu> yeah that's more like it..
21:12:48 <anonimasu> brb
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21:27:57 <gezr> everquest II is okay 
21:29:27 <gezr> if you feel the need to dedicate a life to it
21:29:55 <alex_joni> * alex_joni has dedicated enough lives already
21:30:37 <alex_joni> * alex_joni watches a movie.. later
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22:06:28 <alex_joni> hello jmk
22:07:01 <jmkasunich> hi alex
22:07:09 <alex_joni> what's new?
22:07:21 <alex_joni> how's the refactor going?
22:07:25 <jmkasunich> not much... to many things to do, not enough time
22:07:38 <alex_joni> yeah.. I know
22:07:48 <alex_joni> I kinda get that every once in a while...
22:07:48 <picnet> * picnet knows that feeling.
22:07:50 <jmkasunich> I really need to clean my basement out
22:07:57 <alex_joni> and then I do .. nothing ;)
22:08:07 <jmkasunich> can't turn around without tripping over stuff
22:08:37 <picnet> tread carefully?
22:08:56 <jmkasunich> that's what I've been doing
22:09:24 <picnet> same here, so much crap on the floor / benches etc. I need to put tools away :)
22:09:46 <jmkasunich> part of my problem is that I'm addicted to dumpster diving
22:10:28 <jmkasunich> I haven't stored away the last batch I brought home, and there's another pile under a lab bench at work that's waiting to come home!
22:15:15 <picnet> lol
22:16:02 <alex_joni> darn....
22:16:16 <alex_joni> I don't think I'll be able to run linux on my PDA
22:16:27 <alex_joni> Casio Cassiopeia E-125
22:16:30 <alex_joni> :(
22:17:33 <gezr> hmm
22:17:48 <gezr> any of you have access to the books to a hp170a scope?
22:18:09 <jmkasunich> not directly
22:18:13 <jmkasunich> how old is it?
22:18:19 <gezr> or would I be better off on ebaying a new scope?
22:18:22 <gezr> its old
22:18:31 <gezr> it somewhat works
22:18:56 <gezr> one of the traces wont display, its a dual trace 100mhz unit
22:19:49 <jmkasunich> http://bama.sbc.edu/hp.htm
22:20:25 <jmkasunich> guy there seems to have a cal/service manual, but you have to contact him to get it
22:22:23 <gezr> yeah, thank you, its a 1740a I dont know what i was thinking
22:23:25 <jmkasunich> I wonder if the "17401_cal.pdf" at that site matches the scope?
22:24:08 <gezr> it may be what I need, ill have to email the guy
22:24:39 <gezr> it would be nice to get a service manual :)
22:25:08 <jmkasunich> yep
22:25:18 <jmkasunich> I've been doing the manual search thing lately... 
22:25:35 <jmkasunich> acquired some surplus test instruments from work
22:25:55 <jmkasunich> (we had an auction of unused and/or busted stuff)
22:26:00 <gezr> oh cool
22:26:05 <jmkasunich> I paid $200 for a Tek 2440 DSO
22:26:20 <gezr> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=58280&item=3868200337&rd=1
22:26:35 <jmkasunich> got a possibly busted, possibly just out of cal AM503A current probe amp with two probes for $2
22:27:15 <gezr> cool
22:27:22 <gezr> I may just buy a new one to me
22:27:47 <gezr> the experience of fixing would be cool, but could also teach me some bad things
22:27:58 <jmkasunich> I dunno about that ebay one...
22:28:07 <gezr> thats mine for the most part
22:28:22 <jmkasunich> If I was selling a scope, I'd at least power it up and see if it gets a trace, then show a pic with the trace
22:28:26 <gezr> just showing it to show what ive got
22:28:32 <jmkasunich> OK
22:28:53 <jmkasunich> if you decide to get one from ebay, I'd recommend a tektronic
22:29:00 <picnet> I have a 4 chan / 100mhz dso , hp54510 but I doubt its similar.
22:29:01 <jmkasunich> tektronix
22:29:28 <jmkasunich> there are a _lot_ of tek scopes out there, lots of folks sell manuals (scans and originals)
22:29:45 <gezr> I have an old military service 10mhz scope thats just great :)
22:29:47 <jmkasunich> there is a very active yahoo group for tekscopes, very helpfull folks
22:30:42 <gezr> I like the tek stuff
22:35:16 <picnet> http://www.cn17.com/uploadimg/20040815110713_HP54501A.jpg
22:35:55 <picnet> quite terrible to use, early scope ment mainly to be driven over HPIB/GPIB not via the front pannel.
22:36:07 <gezr> thats a nice one
22:36:11 <jmkasunich> eeewwwwww, no knobs
22:36:19 <picnet> exactly!
22:36:36 <picnet> its a buton pressers fantasy
22:37:29 <picnet> i checked the calibration against my fluke meter (which is calibrated) - everything was in spec which was nice.
22:38:11 <gezr> ill be back in a while guys
22:39:25 <jmkasunich> http://store1.yimg.com/I/rdstuff_1816_1955092
22:39:38 <jmkasunich> buttons and knobs ;-)
22:40:28 <picnet> yep, i used an old hameg digital scope ages ago, kind miss the button fiddling with the hp.
22:40:51 <picnet> im still after a hbip card for it.
22:41:00 <jmkasunich> we have some of the fancy new Tek DSOs at work, like TDS740
22:41:07 <picnet> color?
22:41:11 <picnet> tft?
22:41:18 <jmkasunich> yeah
22:41:28 <picnet> computers in disguse as a scope.
22:41:46 <jmkasunich> they're a pain to use - must be running winbloze, cause it takes forever to respond to a knob or button
22:42:20 <jmkasunich> turn the gain knob six clicks, and the scope takes 10 seconds to respond (at least it seems that long)
22:43:01 <picnet> any hidden demo modes in it?
22:43:31 <jmkasunich> dunno
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22:58:52 <A-L-P-H-A> I'm getting cross eyed from programming. :(
22:59:29 <alex_joni> what are you programming?
22:59:44 <jmkasunich> time to take a break
23:00:07 <A-L-P-H-A> Making dynamic forms in php...  so I give it a list a Table, Foreign keys, exclusion list.  And it'll generate a complete form [update/delete/insert] based on those criterias.
23:00:26 <alex_joni> jmk: did you think about IO stuff for emc2?
23:00:33 <alex_joni> not how to program
23:00:39 <jmkasunich> sounds like fun (not)
23:00:43 <alex_joni> I got your mail (thank you btw)
23:00:53 <A-L-P-H-A> I've got the insert and delete... but update is is the same logic... just that I'm trying to follow my old code... and I just need a breat.
23:00:55 <A-L-P-H-A> break
23:00:57 <alex_joni> alpha: if you like php...
23:00:58 <jmkasunich> (talking about the php stuff)
23:01:28 <alex_joni> do you have some ideas about what I should do for IO?
23:01:41 <A-L-P-H-A> I like php.  I'm already using a pear... which I'm not extending.
23:01:48 <alex_joni> I plan (at the moment) to go ahead and code up some other hal-pins
23:01:59 <jmkasunich> I really don't know alex
23:02:08 <alex_joni> for lube, coolant, etc
23:02:21 <jmkasunich> I'm up to my elbows in other stuff
23:02:21 <alex_joni> ok.. thought you might have more clues than me ;)
23:02:50 <alex_joni> I'd lend a hand...
23:02:57 <alex_joni> but it's too far away ;)
23:03:21 <jmkasunich> right now I'm trying to repair a Tektronic TCV501
23:03:25 <jmkasunich> TVC501 I mean
23:04:12 <jmkasunich> symptoms - dead,  found blown fuse in power supply circuit, everything ohms out OK, just soldering in a new fuse now
23:04:24 <alex_joni> cool
23:04:28 <alex_joni> 100 MHz
23:04:39 <alex_joni> 100MS/s sampling
23:04:48 <jmkasunich> the original fuse was one of those "pico fuses", like a 1/4 watt resistor
23:04:53 <jmkasunich> don't have one of those here
23:05:03 <alex_joni> put a fuse-holder 
23:05:34 <jmkasunich> I have some PCB mount fuse clips, soldered wire to them and soldered them to the original fuse location
23:05:48 <jmkasunich> (for testing only - then I'll get a proper fuse)
23:06:02 <alex_joni> for testing you might get to change it a few times...
23:06:09 <alex_joni> if anything else is broken
23:06:26 <alex_joni> anyways
23:06:35 <alex_joni> I think I'm going to bed...
23:07:00 <jmkasunich> goodnight
23:07:04 <jmkasunich> talk to you tomorrow
23:07:08 <alex_joni> yeah
23:07:19 <alex_joni> I hope I'll be more up to programming tomorrow
23:07:25 <alex_joni> night guys
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23:09:56 <jmkasunich> awesome - it works!
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23:38:09 <robin_sz> hmmm
23:38:18 <jmkasunich> hmmmm?
23:38:39 <robin_sz> the netsplit
23:39:13 <jmkasunich> I didn't see any netsplit
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