00:00:10 sup 00:30:35 how are you doing robin_sz ? 00:31:03 It doesnt seem as if anyone is on 00:37:32 hey gezr 00:39:11 robin_sz : anything new? 00:39:45 I ordered me a gasket kit and a climber manual 00:40:00 and just finished leak testing all the valves, things look good 00:40:08 kewl 00:40:15 my car exploded 00:40:19 no way? 00:43:52 way 00:43:55 well the negine 00:43:57 engine 00:44:04 timing belt lost teeth ... 00:44:14 diesels are all interference engines 00:44:19 death. 00:44:35 valve meets piston? 00:45:00 well, that sucks, hope it doesnt run you too much 00:46:44 SteveStallings has joined #emc 00:46:56 picnet has quit 00:52:35 nah, the car is dead, it was a cheapy 01:19:01 stevestallings2 has joined #emc 01:19:39 stevestallings2 has quit 01:37:20 SteveStallings has quit 01:54:38 picnet has joined #emc 02:49:16 jmkasunich has joined #emc 03:06:33 picnet has quit 03:19:14 good evening, jmk... 03:21:09 danfalck has joined #emc 03:21:43 hi 03:21:57 How are thing on your coast this evening? 03:22:06 cold, as usual 03:22:22 have you heard about the EMC codefest plans? 03:22:36 hehe... I'm so glad not to live in a cold place anymore. 03:22:41 Nope, I'm unaware of codefest plans. 03:22:50 (BTW, I'm not on the coast, I'm in Cleveland OH) 03:22:57 Is NAMES coming up? That's when they did it before. 03:23:15 Oh... Ohio... That's not 'east coast' at all :) Just the timezone, eh? 03:23:20 NAMES is April 23/24 (Sat/Sun) 03:23:30 yep ;-) 03:23:39 I'm originally from Chicago. I'm glad to have escaped snow... 03:23:57 the codefest will be the week after NAMES, starting Monday 4/25 and running till Thursday 4/28 03:24:10 we're having it at NIST, just outside Washington DC 03:24:30 nifty. Who's likely to attend? 03:24:39 you I hope ;-) 03:25:09 me, paul, ray, matt shaver, cradek (I think), jepler (I think), steve stallings 03:25:34 attendence is gonna be limited to folks with serious interest in coding on EMC, perhaps 12 people total 03:25:41 Welp, I just emailed myself a note to add it to my calendar when I get home and see what can be done... 03:25:57 last year we had some total newbies, folks who simply wanted to get a BDI install, etc... 03:26:13 helping those folks is important too, but you can't get much coding done while doing that 03:26:22 right. 03:26:40 Hopefully we can continue to make that process easier so ordinary folks need less help, though... :) 03:26:54 Fred Proctor from NIST will be our host, but I don't know if he'll be involved constantly, or if he'll drop in as his job permits 03:27:25 hmm. cool. 03:28:03 Do you know roughly how many people are on the emc-users and emc-dev list? (I wonder stuff like how many people are trying emc, how many are using it, how many have interest in develping for it, etc in these cnotexts...) 03:28:06 yep... there will be another event at Roland Friestad's place (Cardinal Engineering in Illinois somewhere) in June - a NAMES alternative focused on CNC... we're planning to have a more user/integrator oriented thing there 03:28:21 lemme check 03:29:10 users: 403 03:29:31 dev: 161 03:29:43 Wow... That's a BUNCH of folks on the dev list! 03:29:45 most are lurkers 03:30:09 they read the dev list to keep abreast of what is happening, not because they're developing 03:30:31 Hmm... seems like an opportunity there to get involvement if we organized it right. But that's a big challenge. If even 1 out of 10 on the list contributed regularly.... wow... 03:31:11 there are 43 developers on SF, again many are inactive. In some cases, people asked to be added as developers just because it lets them avoid the 4-24 hour delay between developer CVS and anonymous CVS 03:31:35 right. 03:32:22 there are 20 subscribed to the commit list... some of those are also just interested in knowing whats going on, but that is probably the closest we have to a list of active developers 03:33:02 I think I'm on there twice :) 03:33:36 emc@starks.org and zwisk@users.sourceforge.net 03:33:49 (I'm list admin, I get to look at the membership ;-) 03:34:30 yup... you got it. It didn't like that i was submitted updates without being on the list, so I had to add the souceforge one... 03:34:51 (I know you're list admin... Which is why I asked you about numbers :) ) 03:34:59 you need to be on there with your SF addy to avoid your commit messages from being bounced 03:35:17 the other addy is for receiving only 03:35:40 hmmm.... that's a way to identify the lurkers 03:36:01 anything other than blah@users.sourceforge.net is a listen only address 03:36:11 lurkers arent' @sourceforge.net, I guess.. 03:36:20 blah@users.sourceforge.net _can_ commit (doesn't mean they do) 03:36:28 right. How many are lurkers vs. submitters? 03:36:34 8 from SF 03:36:44 wow... whittles the numbers down, doesn't it... 03:37:24 alex joni, cradek, ebo (he's gone for all practical purposes), jon elson, me, paul, ray, and some dude named zwisk 03:37:47 yeah, I'm bummed we lost ebo... 03:38:10 robin_sz has quit 03:38:19 I think he could have been a good resource if we didn't have an impedence mismatch of personalities as a group with him. 03:38:38 I like that - impedance mismatch ;-) 03:38:45 (and I agree) 03:39:16 yeah... I just need to work on my spelling :) 03:39:43 I didn't even notice the spelling' 03:41:05 So, I've been doing some further conceptual refactoring of hal... I'm thinking maybe I'll try to use dia sometime and make some diagrams.... 03:41:47 I've been distracted lately... busy week here 03:41:58 just blew up a prototype 1000HP drive at work 03:42:09 yeah... same here. It's hard to find time for 'fun' stuff. 03:42:13 and messing with other things at home 03:42:23 ooh... 1000HP? What does that run? 03:42:30 big motors ;-) 03:42:44 mm... yeah. :) 03:42:49 paper mills, big pumps, all kind of stuff 03:43:08 wow. So you're a hard-core EE by day, eh? 03:43:16 yep... power electronics 03:43:34 nifty. I should ask you about my desires to build a VFD sometime. 03:43:52 that's what I do - VFDs. 03:44:13 wow... how perfect. What would you recommend for a series 1 bridgeport? 03:44:37 I haven't worked on one rated less than 200HP in years :-( 03:44:48 Haha... hmm.. ok. I need a bigger mill :) 03:45:02 What do you run EMC on? 03:45:38 I work for Rockwell Automation (Allen Bradley/Reliance Electric), but our small HP drives are kinda pricey, I think the concensus for 1-5HP is Hitachi or some other Eastern models 03:45:57 right now I don't have EMC on any machine 03:46:07 I have a Shoptask 3-in-1 that I want to convert to CNC 03:46:38 just finished converting the Z axis (quill) from rack/pinion with 0.050 backlash, to ballscrew 03:47:00 but like most projects, the conversion is going slowly 03:47:17 yeah... I picked up a Hitachi .. 150? Not sure on the number. I just wish I could interface the VFD easily to the computer. It has a wanky proprietary profibus interface. 03:48:11 Most fun projects do take a lot of time, and seem to go slowly because we're impatiently trying to get to the part where we use what we're making! :) 03:48:28 most drives have wanky proprietary interfaces, but they usually also have inputs for run/stop and 0-10V speed reference 03:48:50 I hate proprietary stuff 03:49:14 yes, that's true. But it'd be easy to plug a serial port into the thing and write emc software to talk to it. it's harder to break everything out to analog current loops and a bazillion inputs that need to be opto-isolated. 03:49:23 I trashpicked a big pile of AllenBradley 1394 AC servo stuff from work, but the proprietary interfaces make it almost useless 03:49:29 (Easy, I maen, if it weren't proprietary.) 03:50:04 But you work there... surely you can get a compatible driver to talk to it, right? 03:50:16 nope - it's a big company 03:50:25 doh. Bummer. 03:50:44 the system is modular - I think I can reverse engineer and use the axis modules (power sections) and replace the control part 03:51:02 or maybe I'll just sell 'em on eBay ;-) 03:51:13 so many projects, so little time 03:51:44 this evening I was troubleshooting a Tek instrument that was being scrapped 03:52:02 like a big digital storage oscilloscope? 03:52:28 nope - tho I've got a DSO here 03:52:38 A TVC-501 time to voltage converter 03:53:08 it's really nice for measuring jitter, or PWM signals, or step pulse trains 03:53:18 (assuming I can repair it) 03:54:00 It's amazing what a big company scraps 03:54:03 nice. 03:54:20 I just unloaded a beautiful 60" tall 19" rack cabinet 03:54:28 Yes, it is. But, in reality, it may not be worth the big company's time. (It's totally worth free time for us individuals, though!) 03:54:38 from a DEC Alpha server 03:54:53 I didn't want the server - too strange - but the rack is really nice 03:54:57 Yeah, I picked up 4 rack cabinets like what you're describing. Make great shelves in the garage, and are on BIG wheels to roll stuff around. 03:55:27 this one even has two full extension ball bearing shelves, so you can pull a system completely outside the cabinet to work on it 03:55:55 I've gotta re-arrange the piles in the basement so I can bring the rack inside 03:56:07 yes, those are nice. We threw away a bunch of those roller bearing glides at a company I worked at back in '99. Wish I would have saved those! 03:56:08 then maybe I'll finally have some bench space 03:56:22 ooh... a basement. That's something I wish I had out here. 03:56:44 the problem with basements is getting the heavy stuff and and out 03:56:51 mine's too small anyway 03:56:57 (better than none I guess) 03:57:05 where do you have your machine(s)? 03:57:06 yes. I want a basement on a hill with a garage door on the hillside. 03:57:26 My tools are all in the garage. a 2 car garage that sometimes has a car in it is just not nearly big enough for all the toys. 03:57:44 I have a Van Norman #12 mill and a SouthBend 13" lathe in the garage - too heavy to get inside 03:57:52 It's hard to beat a basement for large raw concrete space! 03:58:08 but that means I rarely use them in the winter, and fight a constant battle against rust 03:58:23 I have a Logan 12" and a Jet ... couldn't even tell you what... next to my bridgeport in the garage. Not enough space to get around them all. 03:58:52 my mill: http://home.att.net/~JEKasunich/vannorman/VN_Home.htm 03:59:00 I also have an ancient #3 grinder. I don't even know how to use it. I just couldn't hardly see it go to scrap, so I saved it... but... now I really would love the space back! 03:59:43 my bench: http://home.att.net/~JMKasunich/Pics/bench.jpg 03:59:45 ooh... horizontal and vertical... 03:59:55 I hope to move the stack of computers on the right into the rack 04:00:14 And rack mounted cases... 04:00:27 very nice... 04:00:33 all from the dumpster 04:00:40 incredibly nice! 04:00:46 the top one is the compile farm - 8 individual PCs in one box 04:00:51 It is amazing what you can find dumpster diving. 04:00:52 (only 200MHz tho) 04:01:05 the middle one is 600MHz P3 04:01:23 I have another one similar to that, 500MHz P3, still setting on the floor 04:01:34 whoa... nice. I that some sort of early blade system? (with 8 pc's?) 04:01:40 yes 04:02:00 ISA backplane, 16 slots, split into 8 two slot chunks 04:02:12 hmm... interesting. 04:02:15 one blade goes in the left slot of the pair 04:02:22 any ISA card in the right slot 04:02:34 each blade has video, SCSI, IDE, and ethernet 04:02:40 sweet. 04:02:54 the rack contains a built in 8 way KVM switch which also muxes the 3.5" floppy 04:02:56 So you have 8 drives stuffed in there too? 04:03:06 and there is space for 8 hard disks 04:03:09 (And scsi drives at that?) 04:03:20 some are scsi, some are IDE 04:03:23 oh... you said ide too.. yah.. 04:03:30 the original drives were 2G scsi 04:03:50 a build farm sounds like a perfect use for 'em... 04:04:04 yep... not much else that makes sense 04:04:47 I can't wait to get that stack off the bench 04:05:04 (at one time it was worse - I had a laserjet II on top! 04:05:21 just barely fit under the flue pipe from the waterheader 04:05:31 heater 04:05:32 I've got a room full of that sort of stuff. I have a pile of old laptops that I need to do something with at the moment... 04:05:49 I'm a terrible techno-packrat 04:06:05 me too. Who knows when that stuff could come in handy for some sort of project?! 04:06:28 picnet has joined #emc 04:07:33 greetings picnet... 04:07:56 Hate to say hello and goodbye right away, but I think I'm gonna find smoe dinner.. 04:08:16 the problem is that in order to have the thing you need when you need it, you gotta have an enormous pile of stuff, and at least some kind of system so you can find things 04:08:34 so true. 04:08:40 for every one you use, there are 10 or 100 that you don't... but if you don't have that many, you won't have the one you need 04:09:02 The other thing is that finding things in the junk, you don't get to choose what or when things show up... You have to have a stockpile to queue interesting things up into... 04:09:10 right 04:09:21 like that rack... I've been wanting one for a couple years 04:09:45 last week the server appeared in the loading dock with a "scrap" sign on it, so I swooped down and nabbed it 04:10:03 Exactly. I did the same thing with the racks I got. Gotta jump when they're available. 04:10:25 same with the 1394 servo stuff... I have no idea when or if I'll use it, but it was too good to pass up 04:10:47 sounds interesting. firewire based servos? 04:11:11 nope 04:11:17 wait one 04:11:58 my employers are assholes! 04:12:24 the allenbradley website seems to be inaccessible from my linux box... works great from winblows 04:12:32 blech. 04:12:46 I was gonna send you a URL for the system, with a couple pics and such 04:13:11 hmm. oh well. I have no winblows box anyhoo. :) 04:13:50 I gotta takeoff and do the dinner thing. I may stop back a bit later and see who's about. g'night jmkasunich, and all... 04:14:04 goodnight - I'll be asleep when you get back 04:15:10 a little ohming out of this instrument, then bed for me 04:15:12 night all 04:15:14 jmkasunich has quit 04:56:30 febisfebi has quit 05:13:57 picnet has quit 06:07:05 picnet has joined #emc 07:26:20 jf353 has joined #emc 07:44:03 picnet has quit 08:07:41 picnet has joined #emc 08:29:09 alex_joni has joined #emc 08:37:41 picnet has quit 08:46:28 alex_joni has quit 09:09:27 CIA-temp688 has joined #emc 09:10:04 CIA-temp688 is now known as CIA-12 09:10:05 CIA-7 has quit 09:35:15 robin_sz has joined #emc 09:39:26 robin_sz has quit 09:57:32 acemi has joined #emc 10:08:16 picnet has joined #emc 10:25:28 ChanServ has quit 10:25:28 pemmet has quit 10:25:28 jf353 has quit 10:25:28 danfalck has quit 10:25:28 ccjoe has quit 10:25:28 cradek has quit 10:25:28 les has quit 10:25:28 A-L-P-H-A has quit 10:26:09 ChanServ has joined #emc 10:26:09 jf353 has joined #emc 10:26:09 danfalck has joined #emc 10:26:09 cradek has joined #emc 10:26:09 pemmet has joined #emc 10:26:09 A-L-P-H-A has joined #emc 10:26:09 les has joined #emc 10:26:09 ccjoe has joined #emc 10:41:41 picnet has quit 11:33:51 LOL 11:34:04 I asked for a example on how to use c++ togther with the plc's I am working with 11:34:23 I got a 17mb example... of a realtime kernel.. 11:43:15 robin_sz has joined #emc 11:59:06 alex_joni has joined #emc 11:59:06 alex_joni is now known as alex_joni_ 11:59:06 alex_joni_ has quit 11:59:34 alex_joni has joined #emc 12:08:51 picnet has joined #emc 12:15:20 greetings all... 12:21:26 robin_sz has quit 13:25:41 robin_sz has joined #emc 13:26:09 vasquez has joined #emc 13:26:40 hello alex 13:29:39 SteveStallings has joined #emc 13:29:53 hey anon 13:29:54 hello steve 13:30:07 oohh.. robin is also around ;) 13:30:20 hi alex, any sight of paul lately? 13:30:51 I think he crossed the pool ;) 13:30:57 the sea 13:31:03 ocean actually ;) 13:31:09 :) 13:31:09 hehe 13:31:20 alex_joni: somthing hillarious happened to me today 13:31:26 shoot... 13:31:43 you got yourself a nice oil-bath from the hydraulics 13:31:52 alex_joni: I talked to the manufacturer of the plc's i work with and asked for a example of how to use c++ togther with them ;) 13:32:02 I got a mail with a 17mb example of a RTOS.. 13:32:06 lol 13:32:11 that's nice... 13:32:15 anything usefull in there? 13:32:18 it's code-hell 13:32:27 yeah probably I havent had time to look at it too much 13:32:36 is it proprietary? 13:32:47 probably 13:32:57 well.. ;) 13:33:11 I would have asked you to mail me a copy... but in that case .. better not 13:33:13 :P 13:33:16 it's of no real use.. though 13:33:27 I am just curious on how to use c++ togther with the plc's.. 13:33:41 the priority stuff is somthing I can make up for myself if I need it :) 13:33:45 what interface do you have? 13:34:03 interface? 13:34:09 for conecting to the plc? 13:34:13 yup... 13:34:17 canopen/rs232/usb/ethernet/flash memory 13:34:17 serial? 13:34:25 although just can and rs232 on this one 13:34:27 uuuhhhhh 13:34:28 :D 13:34:39 rs232 would be the easiest way 13:34:41 they'll talk with pretty much anything :) 13:34:48 but you need a command set 13:34:52 and description 13:34:55 how to talk to it 13:34:58 already written that :) 13:35:07 then what's missing? 13:35:28 * alex_joni prods robin_sz 13:35:30 oh, I was curious since I am thinking about implementing my filters in c++ since it'd be more efficient.. 13:35:46 you mean the stuff you program into the PLC? 13:35:56 that is what you want to code in c++ ? 13:35:59 parts of it.. 13:36:01 meep? 13:36:02 yeah 13:36:12 * alex_joni needs your experience ;) 13:36:18 adaptive filters to ignore pressure spikes from real stuff.. 13:36:19 you do? 13:36:23 what do you think of : http://www.rollon.com/english/products/uniline.htm 13:36:52 with real stuff I mean legetimate pressure and not just pulses from the huydralic system.. 13:36:56 :) 13:37:03 I see... 13:37:33 robin_z has joined #emc 13:38:36 alex_joni: its a linear slide :) 13:38:41 lol 13:38:42 I know that... 13:38:50 right .. 13:38:52 so .. 13:39:00 it has a belt drive inside 13:39:08 you can connect the motor to either end 13:39:11 thats fine 13:39:15 now ... 13:39:16 :) 13:39:27 I plan to use a G340 + DCmotor + encoder (on the other end) 13:39:46 how do you plan to set the torch height? 13:39:51 on the X axis (2 slides with a connection between them) 13:39:57 nope 13:40:17 at first no, maybe later with an z-axis (only for height controll from plasma-voltage) 13:40:24 not actually connected to the controller 13:40:30 right ... well .. you have 2 choices 13:40:37 1) some sort of Z axis 13:40:49 2) some sort of plate rider (rolling ball bearing) 13:41:20 vasquez has quit 13:41:25 or some sort of manual adjustment ... 13:41:33 to set the height for the complete sheet... 13:41:35 I suspect it is not stable enough for 2 .. the twist and torsion will make it innacurate as the balls bounce around the shhet 13:41:44 alex_joni: that wont work 13:41:48 alex_joni: guaranteed 13:41:51 :) 13:41:53 really? 13:42:00 first find flat sheet 13:42:04 (impossible) 13:42:05 I did a lot of plasma cutting without changing height 13:42:15 boggle 13:42:26 over a big sheet? 13:42:30 usually the precision needed on the parts is not that high 13:42:33 2x3m sheet 13:42:54 picnet has quit 13:43:00 ive seen sheets that big with 20mm of bend in em 13:43:10 who sells those? 13:43:12 :) 13:43:16 anyways... 13:43:33 well anyway .. 13:43:34 I just wanted your opinion on these linear stuff (rollon) 13:43:41 what impression do they give you 13:44:06 it doesnt look like it has enough torsional stiffness to hold a torch height controller (z) or support the strains of a plate rider 13:44:28 the motion part is OK ... its just the stiffness bit 13:46:05 robin_sz has quit 13:46:27 apart from that .. its fine 13:49:14 * anonimasu yawns 13:50:53 well I think 2 x A55-3000 mm and 1 x E75-2000 (for Y-axis) E75 is a bit stiffer 13:51:22 http://www.rollon.com/english/catalogs/4141E-B/zip/41-41E-Uniline.zip 13:58:09 hello all 13:58:10 getting office work done...about to start the machine 13:58:54 :) 14:00:40 alex_joni_ has joined #emc 14:01:39 wb 14:01:58 darn connection ;) 14:02:57 hello les 14:04:25 * anonimasu yawns even more 14:04:37 maybe I should be moving a bit.. 14:04:46 I'll fall asleep at the keyb if I dont take a walk 14:06:34 * alex_joni_ agrees 14:06:38 I need my coke 14:06:47 I've just had a pepsi max 14:06:51 didn't drink any today 14:06:55 yuck.. pepsi ;) 14:06:57 but it's too weak to make a difference.. 14:07:05 * alex_joni_ is anti-pepsi 14:07:05 yeah agreed 14:07:19 2l coke / day still do the trick for me 14:07:21 well it's better then the other orange stuff.. 14:07:25 :] 14:07:26 no coffee though 14:07:26 lol 14:07:31 I just drink 1�l 14:07:57 my doctor said it's healthy to drink a lot of fluids :} 14:08:32 mischer_ has joined #emc 14:09:07 greetings mischer_ 14:10:10 hi alex_joni_ i am just starting with rtai 14:10:31 need help? 14:10:47 not now maybe later :-) 14:11:01 if you need help you can probably find it here ;) 14:11:09