00:00:11 <gezr> yeah :), but remember to enjoy your elephant too.
00:00:17 <les> will listen to some jazz in the music room and read the stg manual
00:00:46 <les> ha later...nice talking
00:00:56 <gezr> take care :)
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02:15:26 <paul_c> Morning
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02:18:34 <paul_c> Morning John
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02:18:39 <jmkasunich> hi
02:19:23 <paul_c> what did I miss over the weekend ?
02:19:41 <jmkasunich> hmmm
02:19:48 <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich barely remembers
02:20:04 <jmkasunich> Jonathan Stark and I have started the hal refactor
02:20:10 <jmkasunich> Alex is working on IO for emc2
02:20:37 <jmkasunich> plenty of the usual conversations
02:21:44 <jmkasunich> got any use for Allen Bradley 1394 AC servodrive axis modules?
02:22:18 <paul_c> with motor ?
02:22:39 <jmkasunich> I have 8 motors and 15 axis modules
02:22:50 <jmkasunich> motors have integral encoders
02:23:24 <jmkasunich> rated 1Kw cont, 5000 RPM, 24 in-lb IIRC
02:23:36 <jmkasunich> 380-480V input
02:23:42 <paul_c> been skip diving at work again ?
02:23:51 <jmkasunich> you betcha
02:24:14 <jmkasunich> they must have cleaned out a development lab
02:24:36 <jmkasunich> the power supply/control units were definitely engineering prototypes
02:24:46 <jmkasunich> one had the side panel cut away so they could probe the board
02:25:04 <jmkasunich> and the boards have the usual cuts and jumpers and "not for customer use" stickers
02:25:22 <jmkasunich> but the axis modules seem to be standard production units, right off the shelf
02:26:11 <jmkasunich> the control units aren't really interesting to me - they speak some proprietary AB protocol, completely closed source
02:26:12 <paul_c> Hmmm... Sercos inputs ?
02:26:51 <jmkasunich> who knows - the system is modular, and AB has many flavors of control for it
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02:27:39 <jmkasunich> http://www.ab.com/motion/drives/1394ac.html
02:28:13 <jmkasunich> the wide chunk on the left is the control/powersupply
02:28:18 <jmkasunich> the others are axis modules
02:29:01 <jmkasunich> I have three of the power supply units, but as I said, engineering prototypes of unknown origin and condition
02:29:54 <paul_c> much as I would like to play with them.....
02:30:10 <paul_c> I don't have a three phase supply
02:30:29 <jmkasunich> you have 230V single phase?
02:30:31 <paul_c> nor do I think I could afford shipping charges.
02:30:54 <jmkasunich> I'm planning some experiments running them at half voltage
02:31:00 <paul_c> * paul_c has 240V single phase supply...
02:31:14 <jmkasunich> that should get me 2500 RPM
02:31:40 <jmkasunich> would require some hacking, but guess what... I know an EE who works on drive stuff much like this ;-)
02:32:16 <jmkasunich> I have schematics for the axis modules (but they are proprietary, I couldn't share without endangering my job)
02:32:37 <jmkasunich> re: shipping... I might bring some to fest
02:33:05 <jmkasunich> axis module is about 2" wide x 12" tall x 10" deep  - not to bad 
02:33:34 <jmkasunich> motors are bigger than NEMA34, but perhaps a bit smaller than NEMA42
02:36:38 <paul_c> be a far bit of weight in one motor..
02:37:09 <jmkasunich> 5Kg perhaps... would get heavy fast in luggage :-(
02:37:49 <paul_c> on top of all the other stuff I'd be hauling...
02:38:12 <jmkasunich> get some interesting looks in the airport too ;-)
02:38:24 <paul_c> Any news on a venue for the Fest ?
02:38:44 <jmkasunich> no reply yet from Fred
02:39:07 <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich gives Fred a call
02:40:11 <paul_c> * paul_c scans the irc logs
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02:42:35 <paul_c> 'eck... They're all turning up.
02:46:07 <jmkasunich> Fred confirms that we'll be able to have several days at NIST in April
02:46:37 <jmkasunich> he's promised to check his schedule and send me some tentative dates tomorrow
02:47:14 <jmkasunich> one minor bummer - we'd be limited to 7am-7pm, mon-fri
02:47:31 <paul_c> I'm going to be away for a while, so I may not be here or on IRC to discuss dates.
02:47:35 <jmkasunich> no late night debugging sessions, and no using the weekend to minimize vacation days
02:47:48 <jmkasunich> gonna be reading email?
02:48:28 <paul_c> probably (as & when I can get n/w connections)
02:49:01 <jmkasunich> well let me know if you have any dates already known to be good or bad
02:49:16 <jmkasunich> I seem to have been volunteered as coordinator for this thing, so....
02:49:42 <jmkasunich> we probably should avoid NAMES weekend, so if some folks want to make an appearance at NAMES they can
02:50:31 <paul_c> I was going to suggest the week following NAMES - Those that attend are only 10 hours from NIST
02:50:57 <jmkasunich> sounds reasonable
02:51:09 <jmkasunich> the week before would work too, for the same reason
02:52:05 <paul_c> re: motels - Avoid Red Roof....
02:52:28 <paul_c> the one near NIST is right next to a railway line.
02:52:47 <jmkasunich> thanks for the warning
02:53:01 <jmkasunich> NIST has a big list of nearby lodging on their website
02:53:39 <jmkasunich> Motel 6 should be pretty cheap
02:55:10 <jmkasunich> no Hooters on the restaurant list tho...
02:55:53 <paul_c> there's a couple of other food joints near by.
02:55:59 <SteveStallings> Hi guys, I'm on the phone with Ray H. and echoing your comment by voice.
02:56:22 <jmkasunich> what do you and Ray think of the week before or after NAMES?
02:56:36 <jmkasunich> BTW, does anyone know the dates for NAMES?
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02:57:59 <paul_c> last weekend in April ?
02:58:30 <paul_c> 24th/25th ?
02:58:33 <SteveStallings> April 23-24.... Ray says fine either before or after.
03:00:15 <jmkasunich> Steve, are you gonna be exibiting at NAMES?
03:00:20 <SteveStallings> Yes
03:00:39 <jmkasunich> you'll need to get there Friday then, to set up? or Thursday?
03:01:10 <SteveStallings> Nope, early Saturday.
03:03:37 <jmkasunich> Sounds like our preferred dates would be Mon 4/18-Fri 4/22 or Mon 4/25 - Fri 4/29
03:03:50 <jmkasunich> or some shorter period in there
03:04:42 <jmkasunich> Cradek would be coming from Neb, I expect he'd like the idea of being able to stop at NAMES while in transit
03:04:51 <SteveStallings> Ray likes the idea of EMC programmers meeting at NIST and integrators at Roland Friestad's meeting during the weekend.
03:04:59 <jmkasunich> and Ray would drive right past NAMES as well
03:05:14 <jmkasunich> at Rolands during NAMES weekend?
03:05:23 <SteveStallings> Ray mentioned combined trip to NAMES/NIST.
03:05:43 <SteveStallings> No, Roland's during his show.
03:05:52 <jmkasunich> in June?
03:05:56 <SteveStallings> yes
03:06:13 <jmkasunich> sounds good to me - that makes it two different events
03:06:24 <jmkasunich> so if I wanted to go to the integrators meet I could 
03:06:37 <jmkasunich> one big event stretches work and family too much
03:08:08 <jmkasunich> hey Steve: ask Ray if he has any use for AllenBradley 1394 AC Servodrive axis modules or matching 1326 motors
03:08:52 <jmkasunich> he might service machines with that kind of stuff 
03:09:11 <SteveStallings> duh, sure, guess I could pick them up at NAMES
03:09:28 <jmkasunich> have him call or email me for details
03:09:31 <SteveStallings> oops, that was a quote from ray
03:09:37 <jmkasunich> need phone number?
03:09:51 <SteveStallings> he says he has #
03:09:54 <jmkasunich> ok
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03:10:15 <paul_c> Is he joining in on IRC later ?
03:11:05 <SteveStallings> he says you twisted his arm, guess I have to hang up the phone....
03:13:10 <SteveStallings> The reason I had called Ray was that the ISO images at Sherline seem to be off line and I was worried that since Mike Joyce was gone, things might be changing. Ray said, no Joe was still committed, probably just a machine down.
03:15:51 <jmkasunich> any preferences for before vs. after NAMES anybody?
03:15:59 <paul_c> after..
03:16:00 <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich is writing an email to Fred
03:16:22 <SteveStallings> I can do either and would defer to Ray's needs.
03:16:44 <jmkasunich> I believe I can do either as well
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03:22:40 <bobh> Hi guys
03:23:01 <jmkasunich> hi "bob"
03:23:04 <paul_c> a yuoper ?
03:23:14 <bobh> No idea who bobh is but ray is here in disguise.
03:23:29 <bobh> My knoppix went belly up earlier and this is the result.
03:23:50 <bobh> Ho Wah!  Yah 'eh.
03:23:59 <SteveStallings> yep, whois confirms up.net is the source 8-)
03:24:51 <bobh> So tell me how do I change nic in mid stream?
03:25:07 <SteveStallings> The guys want to know if Ray prefers the weekend before or after NAMES for trip to NIST.
03:25:18 <paul_c> * paul_c is compiling two new kernels side by side...
03:25:46 <SteveStallings> I would guess that that must be illegal here in Virginia......
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03:29:05 <rayh> That's better, eh.
03:29:23 <rayh> What two kernels is paul compiling side by side?
03:30:19 <paul_c> 2.6.8.1 & 2.4.27
03:30:46 <SteveStallings> Athlon test cases?
03:31:21 <rayh> You know I've got 4.08 running on athalon here and running a Sherline box. 
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03:32:20 <danfalck> hi ray
03:32:40 <SteveStallings> Ray, did you hear the question about your preference for NIST trip before or after NAMES?
03:33:31 <rayh> I'm thinking.  I'm thinking.  To quote George Burns.
03:33:55 <rayh> What about your logistics, Steve?
03:34:25 <SteveStallings> Either works, I'm almost local to NIST.
03:34:26 <rayh> I don't know.  I guess I'd rather short Names by driving sunday to DC rather than the other way round.
03:34:55 <jmkasunich> so you'd prefer after NAMES?  Paul said the same, everybody elss had no preference
03:34:55 <rayh> But the issue is getting from detroit to DC.
03:35:06 <rayh> We talking about 10 hours?
03:35:11 <jmkasunich> bout that
03:35:50 <jmkasunich> no, it shouldn't be that long
03:35:57 <rayh> NAMES closes at 4 Sunday.  Get to Nist at 2
03:36:07 <jmkasunich> I did a mapquest from my home to NIST, it was 5-1/2 hours
03:36:10 <rayh> 12 then.
03:36:15 <jmkasunich> NAMES is about 3 from me
03:36:23 <jmkasunich> so 8-1/2 from NAMES to NIST
03:36:34 <SteveStallings> I had not considered the idea that NIST would be the very next or previous day. I will be in Columbus on Friday and dead on Monday.
03:36:42 <rayh> I should be able to make that in 7 if the fuzz isn't watching.
03:37:09 <jmkasunich> much of it is PA turnpike - they'll be watching
03:37:36 <rayh> Would we want a week between?
03:37:51 <rayh> How long do we want at NIST?
03:38:10 <jmkasunich> we will only be allowed to be there 7am-7pm, mon-fri
03:38:13 <SteveStallings> Well NIST must host during weekdays.
03:38:24 <jmkasunich> no late night debugging sessions (unless at a hotel room)
03:38:37 <jmkasunich> I'd be game for a full week
03:38:47 <rayh> That woluld work for me if we all get near one another.
03:38:48 <jmkasunich> but could live with as little as three days
03:38:57 <jmkasunich> less than three would be a waste, IMO
03:39:01 <SteveStallings> Maybe Thurs/Friday after. Then hard core could lurk off to MD or VA over the weekend.
03:39:49 <rayh> Or M-th before
03:40:06 <jmkasunich> if NIST was willing to give us Mon-Fri, I'd take it... not everybody has to be there the whole time... I can understand that Steve will be toasted after NAMES - the first day will be mostly about getting set up and planning anyway
03:40:38 <rayh> Being a real estate agent perhaps Matt could get us an empty house for the stay.  We could "animal house" the whole time.
03:40:49 <jmkasunich> lol
03:41:07 <jmkasunich> if he could do that, we don't need NIST!
03:41:15 <SteveStallings> Matt's house is an animal house, lots of cats....
03:41:57 <rayh> I suspect we'd be a bit much for the stately Shaver's.
03:42:18 <jmkasunich> I'd rather have a hotel room within a short distance from NIST
03:42:37 <SteveStallings> Not really hinting at that. Hotels make more sense, just expensive in our area.
03:42:39 <jmkasunich> don't want an hour commute each way (Matt is probably more than an hour from NIST, right?)
03:42:49 <jmkasunich> even the likes of Motel 6?
03:43:09 <rayh> Monday -Friday before would be okay with me.  We'd just have to plan ahead for those going to NAMES.
03:43:33 <SteveStallings> Well, it may be OK if you go away from the city instead of towards it.
03:43:36 <jmkasunich> before better than after? 
03:43:49 <rayh> How bad would that cramp your style, Steve?
03:44:45 <SteveStallings> After works better for me because I am always in a panic getting ready for NAMES.
03:45:03 <jmkasunich> SteveStallings: how far is your home from NIST?  
03:45:22 <SteveStallings> 1.5 hours in rush hour
03:45:23 <jmkasunich> you might just want to go home from NAMES, crash, and show up at NIST on Tues
03:46:12 <SteveStallings> I will likely go home, pop into the office, then head up to NIST.
03:46:35 <jmkasunich> hmmm... motel 6 is only 0.4 miles from NIST
03:46:59 <SteveStallings> Check the rates at that one, and then others up I270 a ways.
03:47:12 <rayh> After would also be fine for me.
03:47:47 <jmkasunich> 57.99 per night, one person
03:48:01 <rayh> I seem to remember staying at Red Roof Inn and it was $100+ 
03:48:02 <SteveStallings> I like it, things would be ironed out by the time I get there.
03:48:35 <rayh> Sounds like motel 6 is it.  Sure that's not the 4 hour cialis special?
03:48:48 <jmkasunich> paul warned me that RedRoof was near the train tracks
03:50:25 <rayh> Right and my room was on em.
03:52:28 <rayh> I doubt that motel 6 has a meeting room.
03:53:14 <jmkasunich> probably not
03:53:28 <jmkasunich> "free coffee in the morning in the lobby" ;-)
03:55:56 <rayh> Are we agreed that after NAMES.  Starting Monday morning at NIST and primary motel is 6?
03:56:52 <jmkasunich> sounds good for a start
03:57:03 <jmkasunich> gotta make sure those dates work with Fred and NIST
03:57:26 <rayh> Good.  Let's try to float such a meeting.
03:58:33 <SteveStallings> Good for me.
03:58:42 <jmkasunich> once I hear from Fred I'll post on the dev list
03:58:57 <jmkasunich> I wasn't planning on announcing on the users list
03:59:14 <rayh> Good deal.  I'll get a note out to users about Roland's event and our participating.
03:59:37 <jmkasunich> Motel 6 has some stuff about group rates... perhaps I should look into it
04:00:09 <rayh> Do.  We've got a bit of time to see how many are interested.  Count me in.
04:01:07 <jmkasunich> group rates are for 10 rooms and up, but the people pay individually, so we don't have to worry about one individual getting stuck holding the bag
04:01:22 <jmkasunich> you have to call them for details
04:02:59 <rayh> That sounds good.
04:05:55 <jmkasunich> getting late here (for a workday)... time for bed
04:06:09 <jmkasunich> I'll follow up when I hear from Fred (or poke him if I don't)
04:06:31 <SteveStallings> Obitz.com claims to have a special at $68 for Sleep Inn in Gaithersburg, nothing else is even close in price.
04:07:04 <SteveStallings> Oops, make that Rockville
04:07:56 <rayh> I've gotta get going also.  Let's talk a bit about invitations next Sunday.
04:07:58 <jmkasunich> I was just reading some fine print at the motel 6 site... the rate doesn't include taxes
04:08:22 <paul_c> do they ever ?
04:08:25 <rayh> 11-17%
04:08:39 <rayh> Still not bad.
04:08:46 <jmkasunich> so 57.99 becomes about 65
04:09:55 <jmkasunich> $260 for Mon-Thrus nights
04:10:06 <jmkasunich> (assuming driving monday morning)
04:11:37 <rayh> jmkasunich: You want to pass this by Matt also.
04:12:05 <jmkasunich> you mean before it hits the list?
04:12:58 <rayh> Perhaps while we are waiting for Fred P.
04:13:19 <jmkasunich> ok,I'll send him a mail either tonight or tomorrow
04:13:33 <rayh> Tell him he can share my room as usual.
04:13:53 <rayh> If he needs a place.
04:14:09 <jmkasunich> ok
04:14:29 <jmkasunich> do you know if he still reads the erols email addy?
04:14:48 <rayh> Yep.
04:17:27 <rayh> Time to bake bread.  
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04:25:41 <jmkasunich> email top Matt posted... bedtime
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05:08:19 <asdfqwega> Hm...maybe I should just bring a tent and camp in the bushes
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08:03:54 <alex_joni> good morning
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08:30:24 <alex_joni> meep?
08:30:55 <A-L-P-H-A> beep
08:31:02 <alex_joni> gmorning
08:31:16 <A-L-P-H-A> it's 3:30am here. :)
08:31:31 <A-L-P-H-A> and I'm trying to watch TV, and fall asleep... with the laptop on my bed...
08:32:16 <alex_joni> coo
08:32:25 <alex_joni> I like late hours myself...
08:32:33 <alex_joni> but.. I hate myself for that in the morning
08:32:59 <A-L-P-H-A> yup... I'm gonna turn in now... or at least try to.. and wake for 10am [try again]
08:33:01 <A-L-P-H-A> later
08:33:15 <alex_joni> yup... later
08:48:53 <anonimasu> hey
08:48:58 <anonimasu> alex_joni: P was already set to 1000
08:49:33 <alex_joni> anon: was a thought
08:50:35 <anonimasu> yeah :)
08:50:51 <alex_joni> no idea what happens...
08:50:55 <alex_joni> did you try emc2?
08:51:10 <anonimasu> no
08:51:43 <anonimasu> is it ready enough to make parts with?
08:51:49 <alex_joni> sure
08:52:06 <anonimasu> I'll bring some rj45 home and hook the box up :)
08:52:24 <anonimasu> and install it this afternoon
08:52:35 <anonimasu> or maybe night.. depends if I get time
08:52:40 <alex_joni> emc2 should be enough for making parts
08:52:54 <alex_joni> what still is missing is IO (coolant, lube, spindle control)
08:53:04 <alex_joni> but you can use start/stop on the spindle
08:53:13 <alex_joni> can't controll the speed thou
08:53:53 <anonimasu> :) that's not important yet
08:54:23 <anonimasu> I need to mill some coolant blocks first.. :)
08:55:56 <alex_joni> if the user is there (you)... I might be able to code the stuff up
08:56:02 <alex_joni> if you get to test it ;)
08:56:08 <alex_joni> as I have no mill here ;)
08:57:59 <anonimasu> :)
08:58:48 <anonimasu> what I mostly care about is the possibility to run cam since none of the stuff I play with is somthing I'd write by hand :)
08:59:21 <alex_joni> I did find a few programs for cam, and gcode output
08:59:55 <alex_joni> ace, gCAD3D
09:00:18 <alex_joni> sheetcam (windows version, beta-version)
09:00:31 <anonimasu> I use visualmill
09:00:37 <anonimasu> so I guess I could write a post easily..
09:00:50 <anonimasu> visualmill/mastercam..
09:03:16 <anonimasu> but well that wont help if I cant get the machine running :)
09:03:38 <alex_joni> did you try to hook a scope to it?
09:03:59 <anonimasu> not yet
09:05:42 <anonimasu> didnt feel too well so I went to bed :)
09:05:57 <anonimasu> I cant take any test cuts without getting the mill running
09:06:14 <anonimasu> oh the cable.. no..
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12:52:44 <alex_joni> hello paul_C
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13:45:44 <alex_joni> paul_c: any luck finding that rtai-problem?
13:47:48 <paul_c> No - Not had time.
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13:48:57 <alex_joni> bummer... any idea when it appears?
13:49:28 <paul_c> nope.
13:49:28 <alex_joni> I haven't seen it so far...
13:50:12 <paul_c> just start EMC up and home an axis.
13:50:38 <alex_joni> only on athlon? or any processor?
13:50:58 <paul_c> any processr.
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14:17:10 <alex_joni> sorry..forgot about that
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14:54:02 <les> hello all
14:54:12 <anonimasu> hello
14:54:18 <alex_joni> hi les
14:54:26 <les> Paul: checked stg watchdog function
14:54:53 <les> all that is required to keep it from timing out is writes to the card
14:54:57 <anonimasu> les: what's the difference between wood tools and toold for milling metal?
14:55:14 <anonimasu> and can you mill wood with metal cutters  ?
14:55:17 <anonimasu> ^_^
14:55:55 <les> anon: the difference is rake and clearance angles
14:56:08 <anonimasu> hm, ok
14:56:13 <les> you can mill wood with metal toos
14:56:17 <les> tools
14:56:24 <anonimasu> I've got some molds to make that's going to be used one time..
14:56:47 <les> performance and surface finish might not be as good but it will work
14:57:01 <anonimasu> I'll have to hand prepare them anyway..
14:57:16 <anonimasu> but fibreglass + wood is better then fibreglass and foam
14:57:18 <anonimasu> :)
14:57:22 <les> make with ball end mill?
14:57:42 <anonimasu> I'll mill em with a normal one.. I
14:57:56 <anonimasu> I can do so small stepover that you cant feel the ridges..
14:58:02 <anonimasu> :)
14:58:10 <les> use a 2 flute if you can
14:58:14 <anonimasu> the ball endmills i have are very tiny.. and short
14:58:34 <anonimasu> I might have some 2 flute endmills somwhere
14:59:10 <les> Paul: is there any instance where emc is running and it is not continually writing to the stg?
14:59:21 <anonimasu> but well, I am not going to mill that today..
14:59:27 <anonimasu> too tired :/
14:59:47 <les> I'll be tired too later
15:00:00 <paul_c> les: At startup before you come out of e-stop & machine-On.
15:00:32 <alex_joni> anon: got your mill running?
15:00:34 <les> right now having to change a tool path to compensate for wood shrinkage
15:01:12 <anonimasu> alex_joni: no been off work half day sick
15:01:25 <alex_joni> cool
15:01:29 <les> Paul: So that is the only place where a loop with some write would be needed?
15:02:10 <alex_joni> les: or initialize the watchdog when switching the machine on
15:02:17 <alex_joni> not from the beginning
15:02:27 <anonimasu> that would seem a bit dangerous
15:02:28 <anonimasu> :)
15:02:42 <paul_c> Would need to check the code - There is some hooks for watchdog timers that can be expanded on.
15:04:13 <les> hmm writing a 0 to the wdtout bit of cntrl1 register might do it
15:04:24 <les> not sure if it's latched
15:05:03 <les> ah...it is
15:06:05 <anonimasu> les: the reason I asked about the tools is hwo does speed/feed compare to milling metal?
15:06:09 <anonimasu> err how..
15:06:45 <les> speed/feed is much higher with wood tools
15:07:00 <les> higher than your spindle will go prob
15:07:37 <anonimasu> yeah probably
15:07:54 <les> Oh...writing a zero STARTS the timer
15:08:22 <les> so that must be done when coming out of initial estop
15:08:25 <anonimasu> i'll be back later need to rest
15:08:33 <les> ok anon
15:08:56 <anonimasu> alex_joni: I might make a test cut, if I manage to get my father to grab the scope.. unless he's home already
15:09:00 <les> where is that...emcmot?
15:09:51 <anonimasu> yep, he'll bring it off my desk :)
15:10:19 <les> need to find the switch() that looks for estop off
15:10:20 <anonimasu> anyways bbl..
15:10:40 <alex_joni> les: estop off is in io-controller
15:10:45 <alex_joni> bridgeportaux.cc
15:10:47 <alex_joni> but
15:10:52 <alex_joni> you can also hook in emcmot
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15:12:07 <les> Paul thinks there is something in there already
15:12:14 <anonimasu> alex_joni: is there anything like a deb off emc2 ?
15:12:32 <alex_joni> anon: the BDI4.08 is deb based
15:12:40 <alex_joni> and paul_c has a repository with all the stuff
15:12:56 <anonimasu> the box isnt connected to the net
15:13:15 <anonimasu> I thought about getting all stuff and moving it on a ce
15:13:16 <anonimasu> cd
15:13:25 <alex_joni> get emc2 from CVS
15:13:32 <alex_joni> and burn it onto a CD
15:13:37 <anonimasu> ok
15:15:28 <anonimasu> what's the password for cvs?
15:15:52 <paul_c> anonymous ?
15:16:02 <alex_joni> les: there is a wdEnabled
15:16:05 <anonimasu> (an0n)[/home/an0n/EMC]$ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/emc login
15:16:08 <anonimasu> Logging in to :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/emc
15:16:10 <anonimasu> CVS password:
15:16:14 <alex_joni> that's ok
15:16:16 <alex_joni> just hit Enter
15:16:20 <paul_c> press return
15:16:44 <anonimasu> dosent hm, ah must have written somthing the first time i tried it
15:17:23 <alex_joni> les: the watchdog code in emcmot is for a soundcard based watchdog !?
15:17:47 <anonimasu> ah it's downloading nicely now
15:18:28 <les> alex: right...looking at that now
15:24:11 <anonimasu> hm, I should try grabbing a copy of fvwm2 to the mill box aswell
15:24:19 <anonimasu> kde isnt fun on a 200mhz box
15:25:14 <alex_joni> anon: I use windowmaker on a 300 Geode (kinda 233 pentium) and it works ok
15:25:21 <les> well better get out to the shop
15:25:31 <anonimasu> alex_joni: yeah but it's not as heavy as kde..
15:25:33 <les> will ponder this watchdog later
15:25:46 <anonimasu> alex_joni: the task switching with kde is horrid.. it's still images..
15:26:11 <anonimasu> alex_joni: I am fvwm2 freak :) it's the fastest there is almost..
15:27:02 <anonimasu> * anonimasu have never heard about geode
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15:27:30 <paul_c> Yo Fred
15:27:41 <anonimasu> my millbox is a pII 200 with 320mb ram :)
15:27:43 <proctor> Hi Paul, Wow, how exciting this IRC is!
15:27:52 <paul_c> first time ?
15:28:00 <proctor> I've been emailing John K about an EMC code-fest here at NIST.
15:28:22 <proctor> And this is my second time, if you count the time I spent with Les Watts in Georgia.
15:29:07 <paul_c> We were bouncing a few dates around last night
15:29:11 <alex_joni> anon: it's a compact processor from National Semiconductors
15:29:16 <les> hi fred!
15:29:18 <anonimasu> alex_joni: ok :)
15:29:28 <proctor> John suggested the week after NAMES for the code-fest, which would be April 25-28, Mon-Thu.
15:29:52 <paul_c> * paul_c suggested the week after NAMES
15:30:10 <proctor> I have been emailing John K, but we should move this to the EMC developer's mail list. 
15:30:49 <paul_c> Holding a Fest at your place is OK is it ?
15:31:10 <proctor> Yes, it's OK. I have alerted our IT people and we should have Internet connex for everyone.
15:31:31 <proctor> I will need to badge in the attendees, and will need company name and address for you non-US citizens. 
15:32:24 <proctor> Visitors should be in after 7:00 am, out before 7:00 pm, so no coding to midnight unless I'm around as the "escort". 
15:32:51 <paul_c> nail you to the door ?
15:33:01 <les> heh
15:33:05 <anonimasu> ^_^
15:33:06 <proctor> I'll get a life-size cutout.
15:33:58 <cradek> this sounds fun.  I hope I can make it.
15:34:08 <paul_c> Hopefully I can nail this 2.6.9 related bug before then...
15:34:09 <proctor> I suggested to John K that we get an agenda set up ASAP so I'll be able to prepare.
15:34:50 <proctor> Presumably there is a list of things to be accomplished; support for lathes comes to mind.
15:34:52 <alex_joni> * alex_joni wishes he could make it too...
15:35:16 <paul_c> Would there be any chance of some big iron to test code on ?
15:35:42 <proctor> I have a Bridgeport servo mill that I'll resuscitate. I also have small iron, the Sherline mill.
15:36:01 <proctor> And the Sherline lathe the students worked on.
15:36:04 <anonimasu> very neat
15:36:07 <paul_c> the BP still wired to an STG card ?
15:36:08 <cradek> I would bring my homemade mill if I drive
15:36:27 <proctor> The BP is on an STG card. I have a Vigilent on my chair here but I have not hooked it up.
15:37:04 <paul_c> * paul_c makes a note to pack an STG card with the luggable computer.
15:37:49 <paul_c> While I think of it....
15:38:16 <paul_c> Do you recall that Qt GUI you were working on when I visited ?
15:38:48 <proctor> We did a Qt GUI for another project, but I never wrote one for EMC.
15:39:36 <paul_c> A cable platform as I recall...
15:40:04 <alex_joni> the robocrane?
15:40:19 <proctor> Yes, it was a large cable robot used for depainting KC-130 aircraft. We used Qt Embedded on a PC-104 with Linux/RTAI. 
15:40:31 <alex_joni> * alex_joni has to leave for 10 minutes..
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15:40:45 <paul_c> was there any plans to release the code for it ?
15:41:05 <paul_c> Interested in the NML<=>Qt hooks
15:41:39 <proctor> The code is public domain. Will Shackleford has the latest version. I'll ask him about Qt-NML hooks. I don't know that we did this since the controller was not an EMC.
15:41:55 <proctor> Will just did a port of NML to Python also. 
15:42:19 <paul_c> That will interest jepler & cradek 
15:42:31 <cradek> nah, ours is done
15:43:03 <cradek> but it does only exactly the things needed for the gui
15:43:06 <proctor> Now that I think about it, can't you just link in the RCS library with your Qt code? Qt is C++-based and you should just get the NML functions directly. 
15:43:31 <proctor> For cradek: how did you get Python and NML integrated?
15:44:01 <cradek> link an extension with emc libraries
15:44:46 <cradek> it gives a stat channel, error channel, command channel in python
15:45:41 <proctor> Will did the same thing, I think; he made some association of string names to NML format functions, so it was a bit cumbersome to support multiple NML vocabularies.
15:46:08 <proctor> Chris, did you do a PyTk GUI?
15:46:19 <cradek> jepler and I did, yes
15:46:33 <cradek> http://axis.unpy.net
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15:47:08 <cradek> click "about" on the left for screenshots
15:47:13 <proctor> OK, thanks, that looks nice. I'll have a look and let Will know.
15:49:25 <proctor> OK, got to go, meeting at 11 EST and 10 minutes to prep...
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16:10:18 <alex_joni> les: is homing working now?
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19:32:28 <anonimasu> hm, emc2 wouldnt compile..
19:32:38 <anonimasu> need to get that net connection out so I can grab the deps for tk..
19:32:42 <anonimasu> tk-dev
19:37:34 <paul_c> which distro ?
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19:48:22 <anonimasu> bdi-somthing
19:48:25 <anonimasu> I have no idea what it was
19:48:42 <anonimasu> the kernel is 2.6.9-adeos
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19:49:34 <anonimasu> it seems to lack some deps
19:55:00 <paul_c> bdi-4.08
19:55:44 <paul_c> You need kernel-headers, tcl8.4-dev, tk8.4-dev, and a few others....
19:56:37 <paul_c> Oh, and a set of make fies - But there is nothing in the main emc2 tree that will compile against a 2.6 kernel yet.
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20:10:46 <paul_c> The alternative is to download the Developer's Toolkit CD when it becomes available.
20:13:45 <anonimasu> hm when's that?
20:14:21 <A-L-P-H-A> I saw this show yesterday called "how it's made", and one of the topics was endmills.  The process of making HSS or Tungstun Carbide endmills is really need.
20:14:27 <paul_c> another 6-8 weeks at the earliest.
20:14:32 <anonimasu> bleh..
20:14:37 <A-L-P-H-A> need=neat
20:14:41 <anonimasu> that's way too slow..
20:14:55 <paul_c> * paul_c is leaving the country tonight.
20:15:02 <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c, where too?
20:15:23 <paul_c> USA
20:15:23 <A-L-P-H-A> if you're coming to Toronto, let me buy you a beer. :)
20:15:28 <A-L-P-H-A> evil... nm then.
20:16:05 <anonimasu> paul_c: wont emc2 compile with all deps satisfied and another kernel?
20:16:13 <paul_c> Toronto is buired under snow at the moment isn't it ?
20:16:25 <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... if I put a 16mm OD dia bearing in the freezer for a few hours... think it'll shrink 0.02mm?
20:16:43 <anonimasu> warm the part also, and you will be lucky..
20:16:47 <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c... well. yes. it's quiet beautiful.  it's under 6" of snow.  which I just shoveled.
20:16:50 <paul_c> anonimasu: Any RT patched kernel from 2.2.xx or 2.4.xx series.
20:16:56 <anonimasu> although 0.02 sounds pretty much :)
20:17:08 <anonimasu> paul_c: ah, well then I'll just have to get a rj45 out into the shop
20:17:12 <paul_c> A-L-P-H-A: Way too cold for me.
20:17:20 <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, the part is Al 6061.  The bearing really needs to be 0.01mm down in size... 
20:17:40 <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: yeah but alu expands more then bearings shrink..
20:17:59 <A-L-P-H-A> toaster oven for the part AL6061 ~350oF?  and freeze the bearing?
20:18:05 <anonimasu> yeah
20:18:09 <A-L-P-H-A> or should I get some dryice? [where now do I buy dry ice?]
20:18:12 <anonimasu> although I dont know if you'd need it that warm..
20:18:31 <anonimasu> I've turned parts you could warm by hand until the bearing went into them.. :)
20:18:35 <A-L-P-H-A> I've got an arbor which I could just _PRESS_ them together.
20:18:54 <anonimasu> cool the bearing heat the part a little bit..
20:19:02 <paul_c> anonimasu: Have a 2.4.27-adeos kernel & rtai package built - But haven't tested them yet...
20:19:22 <anonimasu> nice
20:19:25 <A-L-P-H-A> so what distro will the next BDI come out on next?
20:19:33 <anonimasu> I can dualboot so it's no big deal really
20:19:38 <anonimasu> other then getting network outside
20:19:53 <paul_c> I'm committed to Debian for all current work.
20:20:04 <anonimasu> debian's good.. since upgrading is easy
20:20:28 <paul_c> No more RedHat/Mandrake/SuSE rpm dependency nightmares..
20:20:33 <anonimasu> yep
20:21:28 <anonimasu> well, you dont need lots of deps and stuff for a mill :)
20:22:37 <anonimasu> how does the performance of emc/emc2 compare aginst some commercial controllers?
20:23:01 <paul_c> if it were just EMC that people wanted to run after a BDI install, many of the extras could be left out...
20:23:26 <anonimasu> well, as long as emc isnt production stable.. it's desireable..
20:23:45 <anonimasu> my oppinion is that the controller of the mill should be dedicated to just doing that :9
20:23:48 <anonimasu> :)
20:24:11 <anonimasu> maybe some integrated cad/cam/online programming in the interface like I think fanuc has..
20:24:48 <anonimasu> I think it's fanuc, I saw somthing like it at a shop over here
20:25:34 <anonimasu> they loaded a igs and just programmed the operations online... at the panel..
20:25:47 <anonimasu> selecting a hole and mask on arc...
20:26:12 <paul_c> When comparing EMC to other systems, do you mean off the shelf products from the likes oh Heidenhain & Fanuc, or hobby level products like Mach (and it's ilk) ?
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20:40:00 <A-L-P-H-A> GREAT! start_wp() is depricated.  But what's replaced it?
20:40:09 <A-L-P-H-A> oops, wrong chan
20:41:31 <anonimasu> paul_c: fanuc..
20:41:37 <anonimasu> paul_c: or haas..
20:41:45 <anonimasu> paul_c: or any other commercial controller
20:43:37 <paul_c> Not fair to give a comparision - Most high end controls don't use comodity PC for motion control.
20:44:16 <paul_c> If they use a PC at all, it would generally be for file IO and HMI.
20:45:28 <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, think putting the part into boiling water would be good enough?
20:46:22 <cradek> your toaster oven can get much hotter than boiling water
20:46:35 <A-L-P-H-A> k, toaster over it is then.
20:46:58 <cradek> and most real ovens can get up near 600F
20:47:10 <cradek> (not that you need that)
20:47:24 <anonimasu> :)
20:49:56 <anonimasu> paul_c: I thought they used pc's with controller cards..
20:51:52 <anonimasu> still I am curious
20:52:11 <anonimasu> paul_c: I am talking about emc + stg/vital
20:53:18 <anonimasu> with a fast computer..
20:55:05 <paul_c> 'bout the only thing that springs to mind would be something like OpenCNC
20:55:24 <anonimasu> what's that?
20:55:45 <anonimasu> ah I've seen it..
20:56:52 <paul_c> EMC is the only package available that is truely open source.
20:57:04 <anonimasu> paul_c: I was more concerned about servo cycle time
20:58:10 <paul_c> never used OpenCNC or any of the latest controllers from Fanuc et al.
20:58:14 <anonimasu> if you can compare that
20:58:34 <anonimasu> featurewise dosent matter that much
21:04:02 <paul_c> let's have a look at the opencnc spec sheets...
21:05:07 <paul_c> 1,500 blocks per sec... 500uSec or less for 10 axis.
21:05:43 <anonimasu> ok:)
21:05:51 <paul_c> max program size: 4Gigs (limited by available memory)
21:06:46 <anonimasu> yep
21:07:08 <paul_c> adaptive look-ahead
21:07:20 <anonimasu> does emc have that?
21:07:28 <paul_c> nope
21:07:37 <anonimasu> will it have it in the future?
21:08:16 <paul_c> If someone wants it bad enough, maybe.
21:08:51 <anonimasu> does emc have lookahead?`
21:09:06 <paul_c> now compare the price.
21:09:10 <gezr> hello folks
21:10:00 <anonimasu> paul_c: I dont care for the price really.. :)
21:10:08 <anonimasu> fanuc wanted to sell me a system for 5000eur
21:10:14 <anonimasu> + 1000 eur per axis..
21:10:22 <gezr> I dont belive that
21:10:24 <anonimasu> for my hobby mill.
21:10:33 <gezr> ive seen fanuc charge over 5k for a simple upgrade 
21:10:52 <anonimasu> gezr: that was the cheapest.
21:10:54 <gezr> fagor would be the cheapest or least expensive route to go
21:11:33 <paul_c> http://www.low-cost-cnc.com/ll_shortoverview.html
21:12:03 <paul_c> 2200Eur for the base package
21:12:10 <cradek> what's adaptive lookahead?
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21:13:14 <paul_c> A high speed machining stratagy that adjusts feedrate and tolerances acording to a set of rules.
21:13:53 <paul_c> for example - Want max feed rates, but can tolerate =/- 10thou
21:14:07 <paul_c> for roughing cuts.
21:14:10 <anonimasu> I'll be back in a sec..
21:15:15 <paul_c> but for finishing cuts where you need close tolerances and can afford lower feedrates
21:15:32 <gezr> ah Fred was on earlier
21:15:36 <paul_c> then the control will adjust to suit the rues.
21:27:13 <anonimasu> iab
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21:34:29 <gezr> anonimasu : so fanuc gave you a good quote hu? thats a really good price for one of their packages thats for sure
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21:45:15 <gezr> paul_c : I finished lapping the valves last night :)
21:50:01 <paul_c> now to shim the valve clearances...
21:51:33 <gezr> time to buy some service manuals :)
21:51:50 <gezr> I had mabye 4 good seats, the rest required quite some work
21:53:04 <anonimasu> gezr: lol.. 1000eur per axis isnt good..
21:53:09 <gezr> after blueing, I had an acceptable closure, the pits seemed to be clear of each other, so I felt that was adequate, and when holding the valve up by hand, no alcohol was able to pass
21:53:13 <gezr> anonimasu : its not?
21:53:20 <anonimasu> gezr: it's for a hobby mill
21:53:24 <gezr> for a comercial control its damn good
21:53:29 <anonimasu> gezr: I dont mind spending excessive money..
21:53:46 <gezr> anonimasu : well hobby and comercial are different ballparks, hobby is cause you can, comercial is cause you need to
21:53:50 <paul_c> gezr: Track down a Clymer K100 manual.
21:54:04 <gezr> paul_c : you think I wont need a technical manual, 100 bucks new
21:54:32 <gezr> paul_c : a new clymer is 34$ so thats not too bad, ive seen em used on ebay recently in the 20s
21:54:34 <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
21:54:44 <gezr> anonimasu : sigh?
21:54:50 <anonimasu> I just want a good controller that will let me run stuff form my cam program..
21:54:57 <anonimasu> at perferably very high speed..
21:55:23 <gezr> anonimasu : how high is high ?
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21:55:30 <paul_c> gezr: The Clymer has all the info you will ever need... The genuine BMW manuals are just too expensive.
21:55:45 <anonimasu> gezr: perferably as fast as my servos will go.. :)
21:56:00 <gezr> paul_c : thats what I was thinking, I may have found a better parts supplier, they ahve a photo of what im rebuilding 
21:56:09 <gezr> http://www.autobahn-craftwerks.com/BMWK100.html
21:56:10 <anonimasu> I have no idea how many mm/min that will be
21:56:16 <gezr> my faring is long destroyed
21:56:19 <anonimasu> the ballscrew is a 5mm screw..
21:56:27 <anonimasu> and the gearing is 4:1
21:56:46 <gezr> anonimasu : emc should be able to provide you with what your after
21:56:58 <gezr> maybe im wrong
21:57:02 <anonimasu> the encoders are 1000 line encoders..
21:57:40 <gezr> paul_c : that picture almost makes me want to cry, thats the same donalite green as mine too 
21:58:14 <gezr> anonimasu : how many hp, does your spindle have?
21:58:24 <anonimasu> gezr: right now 2
21:58:38 <anonimasu> soon to be 5
21:58:49 <gezr> anonimasu : on a bridgeport iron type machine?
21:58:52 <anonimasu> nope..
21:59:05 <anonimasu> bench mill..
21:59:43 <gezr> anonimasu :  have you seen a modern control working in high speed mode?
21:59:51 <gezr> comercial type that is
22:00:19 <anonimasu> not very much..
22:00:25 <gezr> I guess a small diameter cutter could really really fly
22:00:31 <anonimasu> just a bit at a shop over here..
22:00:32 <gezr> anonimasu : its awsome 
22:00:37 <anonimasu> yep..
22:01:10 <anonimasu> well, the limit right now is the speed which my computer can output to the geckos..
22:01:30 <anonimasu> but they are to be replaces by a vital card....
22:02:01 <gezr> thats gonna give you a considerable increase in performance I guess, I dont know much about the i/o cards
22:02:27 <anonimasu> oh, just to move the pid to emc instead..
22:02:30 <gezr> anonimasu : you will find that you will be able to drive your machine at an unsafe speed because of the machine
22:02:41 <anonimasu> hm..
22:02:43 <anonimasu> :p
22:03:04 <anonimasu> how fast mm/min can I expect?
22:03:37 <gezr> I dont know, but pending cutting tools and such 200ipm is gonna be super fast
22:04:13 <gezr> even at that, you ahve to take into considerations as far as hp, machine stiffness, stuff like that
22:04:20 <anonimasu> 200*2.5
22:04:42 <gezr> total of 200ipm
22:04:46 <anonimasu> 5m/min
22:04:54 <gezr> thats about right
22:05:09 <anonimasu> the most I've been running right now is 1000mm/min
22:05:10 <gezr> thats the rapid speed of the machine i run at work
22:05:35 <anonimasu> :)
22:05:38 <gezr> 200ipm, ive ran machines that cut at that speed
22:05:46 <gezr> the one Im on now is a year old
22:05:50 <anonimasu> I guess I dont need that kind of extreme speed..
22:06:06 <anonimasu> although I love watching when it's going fast..
22:06:18 <gezr> yeah you do, ifyour using a .25mm endmill, wacking away at a block of aluminum
22:06:27 <anonimasu> light cuts and very fast speed.. for roughing
22:06:44 <gezr> for roughing?
22:07:06 <gezr> tool life is baised on time, not so much depth of cut
22:07:06 <anonimasu> or well, not too heavy ones..
22:07:23 <anonimasu> I dont have good cooling yet..
22:07:24 <anonimasu> :)
22:07:47 <gezr> dry machining using coated carbide tooling or cermet type inserted endmills :)
22:07:51 <anonimasu> alu becomes gummy pretty easily..
22:07:59 <anonimasu> hehe
22:08:03 <anonimasu> * anonimasu havent tried any of thoose
22:08:14 <anonimasu> just dormer hss endmills..
22:08:18 <anonimasu> and ghuring ones..
22:08:26 <anonimasu> I think they are hss atleast..
22:08:40 <paul_c> * paul_c loves his tcmt inserts
22:08:47 <anonimasu> http://www.dormertools.com/sandvik/1831/Internet/GB04003.nsf/GenerateTopFrameset?ReadForm&menu=&view=http%3A//www.dormertools.com/sandvik/1831/Internet/gb04004.nsf/Alldocs/609194FC9F15C41580256B9E00300692&banner=/sandvik/1831/Internet/GB04003.nsf/LookupAdm/BannerForm%3FOpenDocument
22:08:52 <gezr> anonimasu : seriously, if I had a choice, ide own a comercial machine, but I dont have that option nor budget, so anything that keeps me from turning a crank wins
22:09:18 <anonimasu> endmills like that
22:09:22 <gezr> cool
22:09:31 <anonimasu> they are great
22:10:01 <gezr> anonimasu : whats the smallest diameter tool you plan on using?
22:10:09 <anonimasu> gezr: 2mm
22:10:23 <anonimasu> maybe smaller..
22:10:28 <anonimasu> it depends I guess
22:11:18 <anonimasu> I tried milling some hardox 500 with one of thoose cutters....
22:11:22 <gezr> alrighty, whats your spindles expected max rpm?
22:11:23 <anonimasu> which should be way too hard :)
22:11:40 <anonimasu> the spindle which I am looking at goes to 10000rpm
22:11:53 <anonimasu> but with the belt that'll be a bit over that
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22:13:56 <gezr> a 2mm endmill at 10krpm in aluminum, with .002" depth of cut or chip load per tooth 4 flute needs to move at 80ipm
22:14:08 <anonimasu> calc
22:14:10 <anonimasu> whoops
22:14:20 <anonimasu> 2m/min
22:14:31 <gezr> depth of cut doesnt matter could be 0-max
22:14:55 <anonimasu> hm, my machine could do that now..
22:15:00 <anonimasu> although at 6x at the geckos..
22:15:15 <gezr> you still dont have any where near the spindle speed to properly run that small a mill 
22:15:23 <gezr> small a tool
22:15:31 <anonimasu> yeah :/
22:15:52 <anonimasu> the speed I have now are about 3000rpm..
22:16:08 <gezr> so your real limitation isnt the control
22:16:35 <gezr> while fast is really neat, it comes at a high price that is incured long before a control is even considered
22:17:09 <anonimasu> yeah
22:17:54 <gezr> thats where emc comes in, you can spend a bit more on better spindle bearings and the likes, and use something that performs, have you tried the changes made to segmotqueue ?
22:18:20 <anonimasu> emc wont run :)
22:18:32 <gezr> :(
22:18:37 <gezr> hmm
22:18:45 <anonimasu> my step output dissapears when I run in the opposite direction
22:18:50 <paul_c> AMD K7 processor ?
22:18:53 <anonimasu> no
22:18:55 <anonimasu> pII
22:19:19 <gezr> something about that doesnt seem right,
22:19:48 <anonimasu> http://www.solectro.se/Products/Product.asp?ItemId=726&SectionId=520
22:19:51 <gezr> your saying emc runs but when you reverse direction, you dont get a step signal?
22:20:14 <anonimasu> yeah
22:20:18 <anonimasu> I get a direction signal..
22:20:20 <anonimasu> but no step
22:20:48 <anonimasu> somthing like that spindle motor
22:21:00 <gezr> did you check the parellel ports configuration in the bios?
22:21:14 <gezr> nevermind, im shooting in the dark
22:21:26 <anonimasu> hm, you mean the address?
22:21:30 <paul_c> bdi-4.08 install ?
22:21:40 <anonimasu> yes
22:21:41 <gezr> no not the address, im talking about ecc/epp modes stuff
22:22:01 <anonimasu> ah no I didnt, but I've been using the port for running my mill with turbocnc earlier
22:22:14 <anonimasu> might that be the problem?
22:22:51 <gezr> are you booting emc from the hard drive?
22:22:58 <anonimasu> yes
22:22:59 <gezr> or using a vmware type thing?
22:23:04 <anonimasu> I am booting it
22:23:07 <paul_c> It is more likely a product of a bug I'm tracking in the homing sequence
22:23:16 <gezr> cold or warm booting
22:23:19 <anonimasu> both..
22:23:25 <anonimasu> dosent make any difference
22:24:15 <gezr> I dont know what to say
22:24:19 <anonimasu> :/
22:24:50 <anonimasu> I'll go out now and chech ECC/EPP.. on it..
22:24:52 <paul_c> anonimasu: Can you email me a bug report & attach your ini file ?
22:25:13 <anonimasu> paul_c: it's the one that follows with emc
22:25:17 <anonimasu> unmodified..
22:25:36 <anonimasu> setting up my axis:es and backslash dosent make any difference.. to it
22:26:46 <gezr> and emc doesnt error, did you take your scope home like you were talking about?
22:27:01 <anonimasu> yes
22:27:41 <gezr> and on pin 3 when you reverse dir, the signal just stops?
22:27:49 <gezr> i think thats X
22:28:02 <anonimasu> I havent hooked up the scope..
22:28:08 <anonimasu> I could go out and do it now
22:28:12 <paul_c> gezr: Has nothing to do with X
22:28:21 <anonimasu> it wouldnt take many minutes
22:28:40 <paul_c> It is a bug - Probably in the parport driver that I had been hacking about.
22:28:56 <gezr> oh 
22:29:02 <anonimasu> I can measure it and export you some logs of how it looks on the scope..
22:29:34 <anonimasu> if you want :)
22:29:46 <anonimasu> but that'll be when I get back from work tomorrow since it's night here now
22:30:05 <gezr> anonimasu : I think Paul is saying its a bug to that version
22:30:24 <anonimasu> gezr: ah.. so it's been solved, or still in the works?
22:30:29 <paul_c> mail me what ever you can dig out - I'll take a look at the code and run some tests from this end.
22:30:35 <gezr> anonimasu : I think he is working on it now
22:30:40 <anonimasu> ah ok
22:30:45 <anonimasu> what's your mail?
22:31:04 <paul_c> bdi-emc @ ntlworld . com
22:31:20 <anonimasu> ah ok
22:31:28 <anonimasu> I'll get you them tomorrow after work
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22:31:37 <gezr> anonimasu : if you want, I could help you install emc from source this weekend
22:32:39 <anonimasu> it'll be ok.. I've been running linux for a couple of years :)
22:32:58 <paul_c> there's a choice of 2.4.27-adeos kernels in my local repository...
22:33:25 <anonimasu> I'll try switching the computer tomorrow since I have a spare 600 laying around..
22:33:30 <paul_c> That would save you the hassle of patching & compiling.
22:34:05 <anonimasu> hm, that would be even nicer :)
22:36:36 <paul_c> lemme upload them...
22:36:39 <anonimasu> ok
22:37:55 <Mer> hi,may i ask a question please
22:38:09 <paul_c> shoot
22:38:41 <Mer> how good does one need to know linux to be able to use emc? 
22:38:53 <acemi> is there a document about compiling kernel with adeos patch for debian sarge?
22:39:00 <paul_c> Can you use M$ ?
22:39:07 <Mer> yep
22:39:22 <paul_c> You can use EMC and linux then.
22:39:35 <Mer> thank you
22:39:52 <cradek> áand the support is better
22:39:54 <paul_c> acemi: I don't know of any specific docs.
22:40:28 <paul_c> Mer: Gogle for a local Linux User Group in Belgium
22:40:45 <gezr> acemi : you can get pre patched kernel source in a .deb 
22:41:36 <paul_c> * paul_c will have a source package uploaded shortly.
22:41:46 <acemi> i know but i want to try
22:42:13 <gezr> I think its pretty simple
22:42:32 <paul_c> patch -p1 < rtai.patch
22:42:36 <anonimasu> yep
22:42:37 <anonimasu> :)
22:42:44 <gezr> acemi : standard patch -p0 < patchfile from with the top dir of your linux source tree I think
22:42:53 <gezr> thats right -p1 my bad
22:42:57 <paul_c> make-kpkg --revision foo binary
22:43:20 <acemi> do i need make-kpkg --added-patch adeos ?
22:43:22 <paul_c> and if you feel lucky....
22:43:28 <paul_c> make-kpkg --revision foo modules
22:43:49 <paul_c> * paul_c patches by hand...
22:43:54 <acemi> hmm
22:44:04 <gezr> wife is home whoo hoooo
22:44:42 <paul_c> manually patch, then run "make configure" to ensure the correct options are used.
22:45:18 <paul_c> tip: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-2.95" make-kpkg
22:46:03 <acemi> thanks
22:46:10 <gezr> paul_c : yeah , I had to change everything back to 2.95
22:55:44 <paul_c> kernel-image-2.4.27-adeos uploaded
23:01:21 <paul_c> headers done...
23:02:54 <anonimasu> :)
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23:24:08 <gezr> http://www.omsmotion.com/products/products_index.html
23:24:19 <gezr> is that something emc uses or ?
23:24:26 <paul_c> nuts.. run out of space.
23:26:40 <paul_c> gezr: No... Although, if you wanted to program a driver, it could..
23:30:56 <gezr> paul_c : you know I wish I could
23:31:08 <gezr> I had to walk the dog, im looking at there stuff
23:35:17 <gezr> hmm, it seems to be a complete solution thing, not an io card
23:35:53 <paul_c> onboard DSP - It is going to be $$$ to boot.
23:36:31 <gezr> yeah
23:36:52 <gezr> I get a newsletter from motioncontrol.com and I just clicked through a link
23:41:00 <gezr> paul_c : with emc, we dont need external processing all we really need is solid i/o right?
23:41:33 <gezr> I mean there is much more involved, but since were providing the motion, all the card really needs to do is output the signal, not generate a path
23:44:36 <paul_c> right - simple IO...
23:47:02 <gezr> http://www.accesio.com/go.cgi?p=../pci/lpci-a16-16a.html
23:47:14 <gezr> linux is mentioned on that page
23:48:01 <gezr> that thing isnt cheap
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23:50:26 <gezr> http://www.accesio.com/go.cgi?p=../pci/lpci-a16-16a.html
23:50:34 <gezr> that may be something les would be interested in
23:50:42 <gezr> or anyone really
23:51:28 <gezr> and coded into the emc so that, a final word per say could shut things down if something went wrong
23:54:51 <paul_c> the STG card already has A2D on board
23:55:05 <gezr> oh
23:55:12 <gezr> im just looking about
23:55:34 <gezr> im talking about a secondary watchdog
23:55:44 <gezr> not the i/o
23:56:06 <gezr> oh wiatits pretty much the smae line
23:56:08 <gezr> err
23:56:24 <gezr> same link, that acessio site has some watchdog type cards
23:56:37 <gezr> my bad in pasting the same link twice
23:58:40 <gezr> I dont feel very healthy today, somethign wrong with my ear, so im just relaxing and thinking