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Re:PC hardware to run LinxCNC 01 Июн 2012 17:49 #20584

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As noted in other responses, there are boards based on the Intel ATOM pricessor that work perfectly. This is funny, really. All new Intel x86 processors except the ATOM are basically too good (i.e. too feature-rich) for LinuxCNC. but the ATOM accidentally works perfectly. (Well, almost perfectly: you do need to constrain Linux to using only one of the two CPU cores: this lets LinuxCNC use the other core by itself.)

You can build a computer around the ATOM motherboard. I will do this if my ancient Dell GX280 dies. My "perfect LinuxCNC computer" will be an ATOM mobo with an external power brick and a LAN connection, with no KVM and no disk. This system uses so little power that it does not need a fan and can therefore be sealed into the base of my machine, avoiding dust problems. My solution will cost about $200. I will use VNC or some other remote sreen system to control the computer from my "real" computer.

If you just want to get running and prefer to spend your time on machining instead of building a computer, you might want to consider the computer from Probotix. It costs about $265. They intend it for use with their CNC machines, and it ships with LinuxCNC installed. I seriously doubt that they intend for their computer to bre used for non-Probotix CNC machines, so they are not likely to be tremencously helpful if you have a strange problem, but they are good folks and will at least know what LinuxCNC is if you contact them.

For me: I bought a refurbished Dell GX280 for $100 from Tigerdirect. (Actually, I bought a GX260, but they shipped a GX280.) This machine just works for LinuxCNC. It's too big, and too hot. It has a fan, and will eventually die due to dust inhalation in the shop, but it just works.

Hi arch_dude,

Thanks for our input :). It certainly looks as though the Atom board is the way to go, especially in the light of, e.g., a secondhand machine being an unknown quantity (this was one of my considered options but it is looking less and less likely). I have a workshop dust problem too, even with a filtration unit, and I've been considering a filtered fan unit for the box, even though they care a bit pricey.

Since I have yet to build the control box, acquiring a simple Atom board is more appealing than coughing up for a Probotix solution given freight charges to Oz, etc., (see my reply to BigJohnT above), but thanks for the idea.

Cheers,
Alex.
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Re:PC hardware to run LinxCNC 02 Июн 2012 04:14 #20591

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For some reason I assumed you were US based, sorry for the confusion.

Many older PC's will give good performance with software step generation and have low latency. If you have a PC now boot from the LiveCD and do the latency test on it.

I'm not sure if/how you might connect the 5i25 to the Campbell "Sound Logic" board. I know the 5i25 can be configured by Mesa to plug into a G540 which uses a parallel port cable connection. What is the cost of the Campbell "Sound Logic" board compared to a 7i76 down there? Can you compare the features of the Campbell "Sound Logic" vs the 7i76? If your dead set on using the Campbell "Sound Logic" and it normally plugs into a parallel port I don't know if you gain anything using the 5i25 as a parallel port or not.

John
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Re:PC hardware to run LinxCNC 02 Июн 2012 04:17 #20592

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AlexN wrote:
For reference, here's a link to my collection of hardware on my Flickr account. Also one of the TAIG mill/motor setup as it current stands (or sits). The entire "CNC conversion set is here but this set is mostly involving flanging up of a 4th axis device for the mill, from a design by Tony Jeffree which appeared in "Model Engineer's Workshop" magazine some years ago.

Cheers,
Alex.

So looking at your collection you have almost all of it now except a PC motherboard?

I should have read your first message slower...

John
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Re:PC hardware to run LinxCNC 02 Июн 2012 05:43 #20594

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Hi John,

I meant to put in where I was from in my initial post, but got distracted and forgot :rolleyes: :whistle:. My apologies!

I'm inclined to use Campbell board since I have it already, although i can't remember what I paid for it; however, five or so years ago the $Oz was a lot lower wrt the $US than it is currently (that appears to be changing again, though).

I did in fact order a BOX525DW from a crowd here in Sydney this afternoon, for AU$90 + postage, having been seduced by the idea of having the computer in the same box as the CNC controls - and had in fact been recenlty, albeit vaguely toying with the idea of doing just that, although I didn't then quite know how I was going to go about. Thanks to you people, I now do :).

That just leaves a few things like memory and psu that I will take my time over. Likewise, i'll read throughthe 5i25's manual, which I downloaded from Mesa's website and have a bit of a think. My current impression is that it might be better at handling sigal timing than the onboard lpt1, but I could be wrong there.

Cheers,
Alex.
Last Edit: 02 Июн 2012 05:44 by AlexN.
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Re:PC hardware to run LinxCNC 02 Июн 2012 06:01 #20597

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To minimize heat and power and to maximize reliability, you may want to consider using a diskless, headless setup. I intend to operate this way when I do shift to an Atom. I assume that you have a capable Linux computer somewhere in your house. Set it up as a boot server and as an NFS server, and then set the Atom up to use PXE boot and NFS. Also set the Atom up as a VNC server (or other remote desktop of your choice.) Run this entire mess from a laptop that you can take into your shop and connect via wifi to your LAN.

I also have delusions of using my smartphone or Kindle fire as a pendant. Same as a laptop but possibly with a alternate remote desktop app and using a simplified UI in the LinuxCNC machine.
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Re:PC hardware to run LinxCNC 02 Июн 2012 09:29 #20604

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AlexN wrote:
Hi John,

I meant to put in where I was from in my initial post, but got distracted and forgot :rolleyes: :whistle:. My apologies!

I'm inclined to use Campbell board since I have it already, although i can't remember what I paid for it; however, five or so years ago the $Oz was a lot lower wrt the $US than it is currently (that appears to be changing again, though).

I did in fact order a BOX525DW from a crowd here in Sydney this afternoon, for AU$90 + postage, having been seduced by the idea of having the computer in the same box as the CNC controls - and had in fact been recenlty, albeit vaguely toying with the idea of doing just that, although I didn't then quite know how I was going to go about. Thanks to you people, I now do :).

That just leaves a few things like memory and psu that I will take my time over. Likewise, i'll read throughthe 5i25's manual, which I downloaded from Mesa's website and have a bit of a think. My current impression is that it might be better at handling sigal timing than the onboard lpt1, but I could be wrong there.

Cheers,
Alex.

Indeed the 5i25 will be faster than the parallel port, the question is will you be able to use the speed? The low latency of the 525 will give some nice step rates. I'd get 525 up and running with your current hardware and see if software step generation is fast enough for your needs, if not you can add the 5i25.

IIRC the 525 takes special memory like laptop or something I forget exactly now.

John
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