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Re:PC hardware to run LinxCNC 26 Jui 2012 12:54 #21368

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Make sure it is not your PSU. I was thinking of flipping the connectors for the button that power the board, but I guess it powers it on so not necessary to do that; also that it does not really matter what position you put it to on newer motherboards.
Make sure your monitor is turned on when you turn your computer on.
Also you can put the POWER LED on there if you have one and see if that lights up. You better put it correctly the first time with + being on the very corner and - right next to it. Look on the connector, the terminal with a little arrow on it is usually the +.

But go ahead and try the pico PSU on another computer and see if that is the problem.

Make sure that AC power connector you use to power the pico PSU is one that can pull of the correct amount of watts (yes there are different types).

Maybe you need to plug in your RAM and see according to what I read here:
www.tomshardware.com/forum/275064-30-turning

If that does not work, I guess you would need to go with the hard route and replace your motherboard.

1 more important thing to note:
In this picture www.flickr.com/photos/alex1n/7446804968/sizes/o/in/photostream/
I noticed your motherboard does not have mount standoffs on the right side. If that is the case, laying on a aluminum sheet like it is in the picture, that can short out connections on the bottom of the board.
Make sure your standoffs are tall enough, I noticed some terminals (those wires that are soldered like those from the capacitors) on the bottom of the board seemed to be a bit long on my board and was worried about it at first, but my stand offs were tall enough and it worked so now I'm all good.
Last Edit: 26 Jui 2012 13:14 by gera229.
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Re:PC hardware to run LinxCNC 26 Jui 2012 16:53 #21369

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Thanks for your input :). I'll check the AC adapter. I got the second-highest-powered unit from the same people (http://www.mini-box.com.au, thanks to andypugh for that) when I ordered the Pico150, and their claim is that all their AC adapters work with all their PSUs.note - actually , it Isn't 2nd highest, it's 3rd @ 80W. Highest is 192W, 2nd is 110W...

The monitor has been on first the whole time.

Regarding the RAM, I had both SO-DIMMs installed before powering up the first time (and many times thereafter!).

Well spotted with the sloping board! I'm going to wait before i turn on the thing again until I've got some snap-in nylon standoffs, before I try the thing again. One of the problems with that chassis plate is that there are no 160+/- mm spacings - and I'm still trying to work out the best way of punching holes that can be tapped 3 mm. Temporary nylon supports will get around that problem, and isolate the board from the plate. I've got to wait for a couple of couriers to turn up with what I hope are the final bits for the enclosure before I can go out shopping, so that might have to be tomorrow - if the couriers turn up today, that is...

Alternatively, I can stick some electrical tape over the top faces of the metal standoffs and (that) problem solved ;).
Last Edit: 26 Jui 2012 17:19 by AlexN.
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Re:PC hardware to run LinxCNC 26 Jui 2012 18:27 #21370

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SUCCESS! Finally! I retrieved the 300W "CoolPower" ATX PSU from the old box and plugged it in (ATX and P4 connectors). It took a while to get over being left to rot but once it warmed up a bit it stabilised and started given steaady power - which seems to be what - as gera229 suggested above - the D525 wanted :). I have some snaps:


1. The infamous "NO SIGNAL" message




2. Success! The D525MW just wanted a bit more oomph!




3. Added just for fun - the 12" touchscreen monitor running hooked up to the G5 PowerMac: touchscreen software not installed (at this point, anyway ;))



Many thanks to gera229 and andypugh for their help in trouble-shooting this problem. Now I just need to get a more powerful AC adapter - or install the 300W PSU...

SSD and bank1 DIMM next :).
Last Edit: 26 Jui 2012 19:11 by AlexN.
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Re:PC hardware to run LinxCNC 26 Jui 2012 21:03 #21371

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You do not need electrical tape on top of metal standoffs. You don't even need those paper washers that some metal stand offs come with. I mounted mines on bare metal. I mean it has nothing to short there, and the area of free space is fairly large around the holes used for the screw mounts so it will be safe.

I have a feeling that it's not that the pico PSU was supplying not enough power, but rather it's a defected unit. With the efficiency that the pico PSU gets it should have worked.
These motherboards should work fine even at 80 watts and probably only require a wattage that is less than 80 watts.

It's either the pico PSU is defected OR it requires a higher wattage AC power connector to even make the pico PSU work.
Last Edit: 26 Jui 2012 21:07 by gera229.
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Re:PC hardware to run LinxCNC 27 Jui 2012 04:20 #21375

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By the time I read your message I'd already taped four of them and the board was sitting on an even keel ;). I'm going to get in touch with the Mini-Box people here in Oz and see what they've got to say. Even though I've tracked down the ATX 24-pin pinouts I'm inclined not to probe them with the multimeter in case Mini-Box claim that I shorted something out myself (and I do in fact make a mistake and short something out and blow it up).

Here's some snaps to prove that the monitor and D525 are working:





From left to right, top to bottom: installing Ubuntu 10.04 (finally!); Downloading LinuxCNC 2.5 manually, since I seem to have grabbed the distro without EMC 2.4; The latency program running, with a few other things happening in the background.


I ramped my activity up later by installing all sorts of packages that I like to have on a Linux machine (even one that won't be used for much except the CNC, and the quite reasonable 17015 ns in the last snap eventually became 31872 at last look - that's several hours of running with glxgears (running as a backgrounded xterm process), a number of open pdfs, a bit of web downloading, quite a lot of apt-getting, and a zombie installation process (from running the ayam install via sudo) that I can't find and therefore can't attempt to nuke. Once I've finished typing here I'll reboot the D525 and try the latency sniffer again without the zombie: when the thing is being used as a mill it will be the only thing running other than essential system processes (i.e., no games ; ).

I'll read through the docs about ram-disks and the SMI stuff when I've had a good rest. At the moment the heatsink sitting on the Atom is warm, but certainly not too hot to touch. I'm keeping an eye (as it were) on it, though.

Once again, many thanks for your help, guys. I really appreciate it :) :) :).
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Re:PC hardware to run LinxCNC 27 Jui 2012 05:01 #21376

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AlexN wrote:
I'll read through the docs about ram-disks and the SMI stuff when I've had a good res).

There is no need for the SMI module on a D525, and it might actually do harm, so don't activate it.
Turning off Hyperthreading in the BIOS might help, and isolcpus is worth a bit of latency.
wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?The_Is..._Parameter_And_GRUB2
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